RPGM Prowler [v0.119] [Grove Dev]

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So I saw their new Straight Game on itch


Are they done with making Prowler and Grove,
pivoting to make Straight Game (Since that has a way larger market) from now on?
Otherwise it's a bit strange not finishing previous games, then just drops a new one out of blue for totally different audience.

Or the Devs are actually bi, and this is what they want to do from the beginning?
I don't see how this is any different than when they started Prowlr. I wouldn't say it's strange. I'd even go as far to say it's expected. Remember that these people have already stated they want to redo Grove even though the game has only had like 4 updates, and the last one happened over a year ago.

Expecting either game to be finished seems like setting yourself up for disappointment.

Imo these devs are just the classic case of biting off way, way, WAY more than they can chew.
 
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Both Grove and Prowler are still in development, don't worry. Grove is getting a new engine and they doing monthly development updates on substar. Prowler is in a "hiatus", but not really. Prowler and Snake:Byte are side projects they make to not get burned out from constantly working on Grove. Now that S:B is done, most likely the next side thing they make is Prowler act 2, unless they make another one again.
Is Grove going to be running on RPG Maker still?
 

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Is Grove going to be running on RPG Maker still?
Yup, the engine will be RPG Maker MZ instead.

I don't see how this is any different than when they started Prowlr. I wouldn't say it's strange. I'd even go as far to say it's expected. Remember that these people have already stated they want to redo Grove even though the game has only had like 4 updates, and the last one happened over a year ago.

Expecting either game to be finished seems like setting yourself up for disappointment.

Imo these devs are just the classic case of biting off way, way, WAY more than they can chew.
I'm gonna be repetitive, but I'll say it again. The Grove Dev team has proven several times now that they know what they are doing. They are one of incredibly few devs out there that you can trust they will deliver on their promises. The game hasn't got an update in a year because that's how they work. Instead of having small inconsistent updates every month like everyone, they prefer to make a huge one once a year or so, it's always been like that. And they are reworking it because the old engine was giving them a lot of troubles, so they changing to the new one so it doesn't give them as many headaches as the actual one.
 
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I'm gonna be repetitive, but I'll say it again. The Grove Dev team has proven several times now that they know what they are doing. They are one of incredibly few devs out there that you can trust they will deliver on their promises. The game hasn't got an update in a year because that's how they work. Instead of having small inconsistent updates every month like everyone, they prefer to make a huge one once a year or so, it's always been like that. And they are reworking it because the old engine was giving them a lot of troubles, so they changing to the new one so it doesn't give them as many headaches as the actual one.
I'm sure they're very nice people, but they haven't proven anything. Of course, they aren't morally obligated to slave away on porn games, but saying that they've shown that they can be trusted to complete a long term project when they've never completed a long term project is just making things up.

Grove will be four years old this month, and Prowler is two. Both games still look like they're setting the framework for the plot with no signs of actual development. Dropping content only every year+, lack of focus, trying to revise things rather than moving forward, adding in mechanics so that they're there even though they're not ready - I'm sorry, but these are very clear signs of an overambitious development.

Again, nothing against them. They're free to drop content at whatever pace they please, and I'll be very happy for it when it comes, but telling people that they'll definitely finish both games is just being dishonest.
 
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I'm sure they're very nice people, but they haven't proven anything.
Well, they did manage to deliver at least one big update per year (sizeable for two people I believe), continue to post updates on Discord and now regularly onSubsribestar. What more do you want from them? We call that WIP. It's like playing a JRPG hero promising everyone to kill the demon king and everyone is like 'Sure, whatever you say.'
The only thing guaranteed in life is death. Should anybody promise to finish such year long projects (as their hobby mind you), than the best thing for your peace of mind is to thankfully wait and hope for the best they can manage.
Nobody wants to be dishonest.
 

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Yup, the engine will be RPG Maker MZ instead.



I'm gonna be repetitive, but I'll say it again. The Grove Dev team has proven several times now that they know what they are doing. They are one of incredibly few devs out there that you can trust they will deliver on their promises. The game hasn't got an update in a year because that's how they work. Instead of having small inconsistent updates every month like everyone, they prefer to make a huge one once a year or so, it's always been like that. And they are reworking it because the old engine was giving them a lot of troubles, so they changing to the new one so it doesn't give them as many headaches as the actual one.
Sure they are capable devs, but that doesn't mean you can "trust them to deliver on their promises".
Even they are genuine themselves, there are way too many things beyond their control. And The longer it takes, the more variables will be out of control.
You are free to simp for them however you want, but that doesn't mean anything.

This random drop of a Female game is very confusing, like a beloved studio only known for their RPG games suddenly drop a Battle-Royal / Looter-Shooter cuz that's trendy and making more money.
Not to mention their current state on all their projects.
I'm sure they're very nice people, but they haven't proven anything. Of course, they aren't morally obligated to slave away on porn games, but saying that they've shown that they can be trusted to complete a long term project when they've never completed a long term project is just making things up.

Grove will be four years old this month, and Prowler is two. Both games still look like they're setting the framework for the plot with no signs of actual development. Dropping content only every year+, lack of focus, trying to revise things rather than moving forward, adding in mechanics so that they're there even though they're not ready - I'm sorry, but these are very clear signs of an overambitious development.

Again, nothing against them. They're free to drop content at whatever pace they please, and I'll be very happy for it when it comes, but telling people that they'll definitely finish both games is just being dishonest.
Your words have truth in it, but I don't think it warrant the bad faith.
They are new devs with capable hands, making mistakes is how one grow, and they need tons of space / time for growth.
being "ambitious" for their career is a boon, not a bane.
Just temper your expectation, if they indeed finish both games and then some, great!
If not, well, hope we can still see more of them.
 
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being "ambitious" for their career is a boon, not a bane.
It's not necessarily so. Ambition is great, sure, but you should still strive within your means. Prowler is a much more ambitious project than Grove, but there's a reason it's got a much harsher rating here. The ambition outstrips the ability imo.


Well, they did manage to deliver at least one big update per year (sizeable for two people I believe), continue to post updates on Discord and now regularly onSubsribestar. What more do you want from them?
None of that is "working on a long term gaming project to completion." Their earnestness is not in question here. I fully believe they believe what they're saying, but we can see the trends and take educated guesses on where things are going. Feel free to think I'm overly cynical, but I've seen the pipeline they're toeing, and I'm intimately familiar with it. Both as a creator and a consumer.

If they have actually completed a long term gaming project, then I would say the faith is earned. Without actual backing, it's just blind faith.

Am I saying anything new here? I'm not trying to just hate/doom spiral. I can stop if it just sounds like I'm being argumentative.
 
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Their earnestness is not in question here. I fully believe they believe what they're saying, [...]
You believe them now but before they haven't "proven anything"? For me this is distrust. You said they are being dishonest.
[...] they haven't proven anything.[...]
[...]telling people that they'll definitely finish both games is just being dishonest. [...]
Then you're ok with them not "slaving away on porn projects" and " drop content at whatever pace they please" but you criticise them for "dropping content only every year+" and "lack of focus" anyway. What is it now?
Are you cool with what/how they do stuff or not? You want the impossible.

IMO your scepticism is misplaced here as long as the development do some major screwup.
 
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You're just not reading my posts properly, and taking them as personal attacks.

I never said they were being dishonest. I said that other poster claiming they've proven that they can complete a long term game project when the studio has no history of such is dishonest. That's just acting based on vibes, not proof.

This isn't a criticism. They show signs of creators that will struggle to complete a large project. That's just a statement of reality. It doesn't matter if they announce they're abandoning everything, manage to complete multiple projects 10 years later, or drop a mega update that finishes both games tomorrow. The signs are there, but they are only signs. Some people beat the odds, but most don't.
 
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