Hornybastard69420
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Holy shit guys, I hate to use this word but it fits perfectly. How entitled do you have to be to mass report a game you're pirating and paying nothing for, hoping the developer's livelihood is cut off, because updates aren't being released fast enough for your liking, or the direction isn't what you want? The sheer level of delusion displayed would be impressive if there weren't serious consequences at stake.
We have zero tolerance for this shit. Anyone engaging or supporting actions like this will be perma banned, no warnings, no second chances. If you think this is a good idea, we don't want you as a member, and I direct you to fapnation or svscomics.
We have zero tolerance for this shit. Anyone engaging or supporting actions like this will be perma banned, no warnings, no second chances. If you think this is a good idea, we don't want you as a member, and I direct you to fapnation or svscomics.
omegabox
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An interesting stance from a piracy forum mod. However I did see F95 members threating to mass report a game in game threads such as Subverse and Operation Lovecraft. So next time we see this we should report to you for deletion and perma ban huh?
EmDotRand
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I'm guessing an addendum to the general rules is in order seeing the severity of the punishment. I want to point newbies to that rather than a post in a random thread.
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In the past we've considered it under rule 1 - "opinions are fine, attacks are not", you can't get much more of an attack than actively trying to destroy someone's livelihood. If we see an increase in incidents like this, we'll spell it out in black and white.
Buziol
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So, a quick summary of what happened:
1.) One guy reported Eromancer for bestiality (which is against the Patreon rules and was discussed as a potential danger for the project for over a year now). He was not a random troll but a supporter since you can't report hidden content like that from outside to prevent abuse like mass-reporting.
2.) It forced Patreon to actually investigate the issue, hiding/blocking Eromancer's account. It might take up to 2 weeks to be cleared.
3.) Eromancer cherry-picked the worst comments for Twitter and accuses F95 of being russian-sponsored trolls trying to destroy western developers.
4.) SubscribeStar page is still all fine and dandy since it's not against ToS there.
I don't support censorship (especially since Eromancer now narrates the discussion using out of context screens) but I guess some of the nuked stuff was warranted to keep it civil and safe and to not antagonize Eromancer any further.
What I can say is - please, don't do stuff out of pure malice. Like Sam said, let's not act entitled like it happened in Elzee thread.
Gnodab
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And where exactly is the proof, that mass reports from this specific forum happend?
It was ONE user that stated as much, with no way of checking if it was actually that person or if they were just taking the piss.
One other user was asking why no one is reporting, while another user asked to report and complained about you having to be an actual subscriber for being able to report. All these instances are something i don't agree with, no matter what i personally think about how Eromancer is handling things.
Tha fact is : since the Patreon is under review, at least one Person reported. Could be that single one, could be ten. Unless we got definite proof, we don't know. Don't even know if it was from this forum either, or if it is unrelated, as unlikely as that sounds.
And ofc Eromancer posts screenshots of those posts on Twitter (two of them being from back in december) and is throwing those random ass "russian allegations" into the mix.
Which was just funny to me, but i guess that was too much, pointing that out.
I have no doubt that his Patreon will be just fine, so he can continue his work. Hopefully this unfortunate incident will be a lesson, for people unhinged enough to report (IF they are indeed from this forum, mind you), as well for Eromancer himself ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It was ONE user that stated as much, with no way of checking if it was actually that person or if they were just taking the piss.
One other user was asking why no one is reporting, while another user asked to report and complained about you having to be an actual subscriber for being able to report. All these instances are something i don't agree with, no matter what i personally think about how Eromancer is handling things.
Tha fact is : since the Patreon is under review, at least one Person reported. Could be that single one, could be ten. Unless we got definite proof, we don't know. Don't even know if it was from this forum either, or if it is unrelated, as unlikely as that sounds.
And ofc Eromancer posts screenshots of those posts on Twitter (two of them being from back in december) and is throwing those random ass "russian allegations" into the mix.
Which was just funny to me, but i guess that was too much, pointing that out.
I have no doubt that his Patreon will be just fine, so he can continue his work. Hopefully this unfortunate incident will be a lesson, for people unhinged enough to report (IF they are indeed from this forum, mind you), as well for Eromancer himself ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I kinda understand why some are annoyed with Eromancer, I was a long time ago. I was a supporter of Eromancer back in the MatM days. Dumped like 50-100USD into it and then sudden no warning shift to new game and ditched the promised MatM game. I was pissed, I ranted and raved about it because it felt so bait and switch, I paid in with the premise he was going to further develop MatM. But in the end, if the dev doesn't want to do something, then well what can I do and who am I to waste time on it. I dropped my sub and I moved on after a day or 2. I felt only entitled to an answer because I paid, to which I got. I honestly don't want any game to fail. I don't want any dev to disappear, even teh ones I don't care for. Its already had to get indy games and more so X-rated games. Honestly the game here is decent. I played it. Its not my cup of tea, but its pretty solid and looks decent. Again better than 90% of the "trash" shared on this site.
Overall though, I agree with you. We as pirates do what we do to play a game. I rationalize it because 90%+ of these games are dogshit trash and things I never support. But being able to try things out and find those few gems I want to support it a good way to actually help some of these devs that put in a dimes worth of effort. But at no time do I feel entitled to get X game, or have it my way. It blows my mind how many people here will go off the rails to thrust in their ideas, concepts, fetishes, or just bitch because it doesn't have this or that like the game is being personally made for them alone.
The only time I got bent out of shape over a devs actions was Elzee over Tunnel Escape for deliberately putting in malicious code into it. That I did submit a report because it violated TOS with Patreon and caused direct harm to my PC and other people's. But at no time did I expect anyone else to do anything, especially from here.
I've been watching Elzee's ci-en since they started Tunnel Escape but never felt enthused enough to shell out for a trial version, somehow never caught wind of this incident for how big it seems to be. Seems I dodged a bullet in hindsight, how bad was this malicious code? (I know this is off topic, but I'm too curious now)
Buziol
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It seems rather benign, limited to some forced crashing of the game (which would be fine, as a typical, oldschool punishment for pirating) but quite a few people report weird behaviour of their PC after that. There is a huge suspicion that Elzee, in his paranoia and damaged pride (which makes sense because people went a bit over with their gloating in his face), decided to implement a malicious script that goes overboard and may hurt legitimate supporters as well.
I've stopped watching the drama after that but I know his code generation was linked to his other patreon (hijacking the mechanics against ToS?) and that Patreon account was banned for that...
It's actually VERY EASY to get your Patreon locked if you deviate from ToS and the Sauron's Eye decides to watch you at that moment...
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From what I can tell (MCP, MCDST) is there is no permanent damage, I don't know if Defender isolated some of it before it could fully execute or this was the limit of the malicious code. What happened was when you put in a old supporter code to unlock content (code updates often, every few days, hours or whenever Elzee wants to), it cause an immediate slow down of the OS. Its like your OS was running and only outputting a frame every second. Even the mouse inputs where slowed down. It was impossible to run any diagnostics during the event to track what happened. Only log created was the isolation of the file in Defender. During this slowdown, it managed to open a website on your default browser to a site meme'ing on software piracy and shaming it. I didn't nab the url as I was in damage control, The only option was the hard shutdown via the powerbutton.
It did effect supporters, I was on the discord after it happened for about 2 days before Elzee banned me for being associated with F95. A mistype of the supporter code was cause them to also be hit by the malcious code. There was no warning to the supporters this was put in place either. Elzee did come into the forum and his game's threat to boast and shame the people in that thread, F95 and piracy in general. A day later his comments were deleted but you can see some replies that quoted his posts still.
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I'm all for devs putting in DRM and trying to protect their property. I make copywrited material myself and like to protect it. My content has been pirated to no suprize. I accept it and do the little I can while not being an ass about it. Sometimes its flattering honestly. But once you cross that line of being malicious and damaging... Honestly, I think what bugged me most about Elzee is he affected his paying supporters by doing this. Overall I hope Elzee learns from this and straitens up. The guy has talent that could be better served by focusing on the things that matter.
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I don't pirate cause I'm proud of being a pirate. I don't do it to stick it to the man or some silliness. I pirate cause I'm poor.
So I absolutely want the various devs to succeed. Please support them! That way they'll make even MORE content for us! I'm just too poor to do it myself...
KittyMaid
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Thank you, its become a theme all to familiar int this forum
Gnodab
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Then i guess you or the mods have no issue providing proof of other instances of mass reports coming from this very forum, preferably backed by vile Russians.
Looking forward to seeing the receipts
Again, not saying that this is ok to do, no matter who does it. I already spoke out against it, but just throwing accusations around without proof, is just acting like clowns. Just because Eromancer threw a fit on Twitter lmfao. Man literally went on record saying " Yes, a significant element of the board is interested in damaging western businesses and influence. They are defended by the same DDOS protection service as the Russian MoD"
How entitled do you have to be, to see a conspiracy against "western businesses and influence", just because some nutters reported your Project on Patreon? And what is it with the weird hateboner against Russians?
PLENTY of other projects on here, that are getting strong reactions because of the lack of output, change in direction in said project etc. and yet none of them came up with tinfoilhat theories, as to why people might act that way. Funny how that goes
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I don't think they were referring to actual mass-report attacks, but more the entitlement coming from forum members which is a problem here. I also don't think Ero is acting out because of entitlement (...well maybe financial entitlement), but more as a campaign to drive attention and symphony to his work. I mean why else drive up this elaborate agenda?Then i guess you or the mods have no issue providing proof of other instances of mass reports coming from this very forum, preferably backed by vile Russians.
Looking forward to seeing the receipts
Again, not saying that this is ok to do, no matter who does it. I already spoke out against it, but just throwing accusations around without proof, is just acting like clowns. Just because Eromancer threw a fit on Twitter lmfao. Man literally went on record saying " Yes, a significant element of the board is interested in damaging western businesses and influence. They are defended by the same DDOS protection service as the Russian MoD"
How entitled do you have to be, to see a conspiracy against "western businesses and influence", just because some nutters reported your Project on Patreon? And what is it with the weird hateboner against Russians?
PLENTY of other projects on here, that are getting strong reactions because of the lack of output, change in direction in said project etc. and yet none of them came up with tinfoilhat theories, as to why people might act that way. Funny how that goes
Buziol
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SVScomics is a somewhat shady looking but mostly legit website that has ONLY links to direct downloads of H-stuff. Not just games but also doujins, western comics etc. No dramas, politics or community.
For me it was first source of "non-flash" h-games OUTSIDE of Ulmf forum (way back in 2013-2015).
Even if you don't download from there, it's a good source of info on what new updates are there for a lot of games. Like, you take a look and see "oh, Eromancer game is updated, I'll take a look at F95 or ulmf and see what's it all about".
Just remember to always read on who is an uploader and be kinda wary of any "non-Master" ranked users with less than few hundreds uploads because there's some increased risk of malware there. Better yet, wait a few days and look into comments if someone had any problems there.
And always have your adblock on because screenshots there are often hosted on adware infested websites, so you will have unnecesary flags all over the place by your AV just because of their existance.
EDIT: I almost forgot that there were also Animesharing and Hongfire (before constant link purges and russian ddos onslaught)...good times, simpler times...when pirate ships were free, bounty plentiful and no censorship took place...you could be as edgy as you wanted without hiding in the countless 4chan/8chan mirrors.
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