Yojimbo543

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Yes, Eromancer COULD use the opportunity to release content more frequently to attract new supporters...

...and MAYBE he will, for a few months. But I don't expect much.

However, he has made changes so far. He's milking his current supporters even harder.

The Subscribestar monthly tiers have gone up:
- Void Dweller Tier from $5 to $8
- Inner Circle Tier from $10 to $12
- Exarch Tier from $15 to $18

And the total Subscribestar goal (quote)
"The amount we need to cover our monthly expenses after our removal by Patreon. Help us break even!"
- From $13,666 to $18,000

The itch.io cost has also been increased from $6 to $8

I agree the game has potential, but it will never get better as long as Eromancer is in charge.
 

Flossa

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Did the update where all the removed content got added back in happen yet? I see people saying it just got updated but all the releases I see are for the December build? I might just be dumb but I dunno lol
 

Buziol

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Lotta drama since I last looked here, damn, anyways I hope we can get some cyber horses now like in Taimanin.
This is kinda concerning...I kinda get it but it's awfully specific...
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And the total Subscribestar goal (quote)
"The amount we need to cover our monthly expenses after our removal by Patreon. Help us break even!"
- From $13,666 to $18,000
Help us break even....there is some really dark JuJu going on with this math again...I tried to apply general european average (excluding places like Switzerland and Norway for obvious reasons) to it and something feels off, even with as much as 13 people working on the project full time (which we know is not true).
Not saying they shouldn't be supported right now, just that this "break even" makes me double guess the sincerity...
 

Gnodab

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Wait...so Eromancer has $13,666 on Subscribestar + what he got from Patreon in the past?

Thought Subscribestar would be way less tbh.

"Our service fee is only 5%. We can make it lower per our sole discretion. Some profiles request extra services and agree on individual fees" --> From the Subscribestar FAQ.

5% of $13,666 is $683.3...which isn't pocketchange, but that still leaves Eromancer with about 13k a month.

What kind of monthly expenses do they have, that over 13k a month don't cut it :WaitWhat:

(Ignoring the fact, that it used to be more with Patreon in the past)
 

Yojimbo543

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Wait...so Eromancer has $13,666 on Subscribestar + what he got from Patreon in the past?

Thought Subscribestar would be way less tbh.

"Our service fee is only 5%. We can make it lower per our sole discretion. Some profiles request extra services and agree on individual fees" --> From the Subscribestar FAQ.

5% of $13,666 is $683.3...which isn't pocketchange, but that still leaves Eromancer with about 13k a month.

What kind of monthly expenses do they have, that over 13k a month don't cut it :WaitWhat:

(Ignoring the fact, that it used to be more with Patreon in the past)

No. $13,666 was the amount Eromancer set up on to fully migrate Pure Onyx from Patreon to Subscribestar, not how much he was making there. Now he has raised the goal from $13,666 to $18,000 to "break even".

Last month he was making around $6,500 on Subscribestar + over $20,000 on Patreon.
 
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Gnodab

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Ah ok, then i read it wrong.

"From $13,666 to $18,000" sounded to me like they are at $13,666 and would need $18k. $6500 is rather low compared to the what used to be 20k from Patreon, ngl.

BUT given the fact that Eromancer used to have both in the past, i can't help but ask myself once again, what the money was used for in the past...given the slow progress of this game overall.

Imho the only thing that would REALLY stop people from transitioning to Subscribestar from Patreon, is the fact that you need a credit card and can't use paypal (this is a issue for me personally for example).

Taking into account, that they don't have to adhere to Patreon Guidelines anymore with the Contents of their game (get ride of those abysmal new "struggle" animations and reintroduce the old ones for starters), i see the Subscribestar Numbers only going up.

Because the folks that kept up with Eromancer and the overall output so far and kept supporting, imho aren't likely to stop their support now out of the blue.
 
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Buziol

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Imho the only thing that would REALLY stop people from transitioning to Subscribestar from Patreon, is the fact that you need a credit card and can't use paypal (this is a issue for me personally for example).
I think in a lot of countries you can easily use things like Wise (which is objectively MUCH better than Paypal on every front I can think of), as well as all sorts of other wallet/middleman services (like AliPay/Wechat in China and wider Asia) that act as a "guard", if your issue is credit card information safety (though, your bank should have an option to always require authorization for any irregular payments...it's 2024 people).

Like, why people even use PayPal anymore? It's a shitty service...always was.

Because the folks that kept up with Eromancer and the overall output so far and kept supporting, imho aren't likely to stop their support now out of the blue.
Well, the amount of sleepers will be lower for some time...I assume about 20-30% of Patreons were sleepers that won't even know that something happened till they remember next year or something.
 

bob0119

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They are businessmen. Everything you guys pay for is just a lubricant that works in their profit zone. In reality, you don't complain much about businesses.
There was a time when delivery of products was delayed by an average of a year due to a lack of car memory. But buyers who wanted it paid between $3000 and $30,000 in advance and waited.

The product was even handed over to the buyer, saying it was "new" even though we don't know when it was manufactured. Furthermore, the "increase in material costs" during the waiting period made it more expensive by $3 to $4000, but buyers waited with money.

Of course, there may be a big gap between the game's development team and the real-life company. But at least you're too subjective to think about the cost of buying any "product or commodity."

I'm still paying $5 a month to stupidly sad crap team. LOL
 
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r34X

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Game skyrocketed in popularity partly because it fed the NC defeat / Ryona fetishes, which has since been removed. Doubtful it will ever regain it's peak popularity partly because of that, and partly because of it's rocky development road in recent years.

It started as a big fish in a small pond tag-wise, but now it's just another over promise, under deliver game seeking to maximize revenue by censoring itself and watering itself down to conform to every TOS possible. Same ole story, and inevitable that their efforts to evade violating TOS wasn't enough, happens too often when interesting game projects get a taste of success.
 
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