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pitao

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I'm just saying, It's not in tags but there it is. Dev needs to make sure to tag properly or ppl will start complaining.
Dude chill, people will always find something to complain, if not lesbian sex it will be a hint of ntr or that some scene was forced on them and if not that they complain that the game have too many branches/LI's or it is too kinetic/few LI's, usually people always find something to complain about :LOL: it is hard to please both Greeks and Trojans. Unfortunately there is not many like me that only post on games I enjoy, I simply ignore games I dislike (my usual "whining" is on how I dislike sandbox games but that is just a gameplay choice hehehe, a few of them are really good and I still play them).
 

siarus06

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Getting the same error as some of the other guys commented:

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If I ignore it it just goes to the main menu, rollback and picking the other path gives the same error.

Steps to replicate:

Speaking to Nathan at the bar, pick either "Sorry, I gotta go." or "Sure, I'll stay for a drink".

Do note that for some reason I got a lot of error screens after the update and had to start a new save. Even then I got bombarded with error screens all the playthrough, so it could be an error that traces back far earlier.

Hope it helps :)
 

ename144

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I usually share your opinions mostly but this time i disagree. I think the development of the MC/Allie relationship is completly fine, we have to consider that just a few days passed at all since they really started to reconnect.

Allison being already asleep didnt really mattered imo in this case as both have already confirmed that they feel/felt like that, to other people and even to each other (at the ball for example), it was more about the MC realising it himself.

And i dont consider allison being aroused around the MC as character regression, she wasnt just eager for his cock, she is and was eager to share all these things together. Being the one who sits up front in deliah, being the one waking up in his arms and yeah of course being the one having sex with him. Its all part of the same thing: A life together.

Its kinda obvious that she never stopped wanting this and felt forced to divorce the MC, i think the possibility of the two of them breaking up simply never crossed her mind even when their relationship was bad.

And really the evening/night just after you had this future-deciding conference where you have been standing and talking all day long, isnt really the best time to have a deep emotional conversation about the past and future.

I think when being back home and esp after receiving the good information about lily's health is a way better opportunity for that.
It's obviously a matter of interpretation, but to me Allison made a much bigger leap of faith when she invited the MC over for dinner after teaming up with him for the banquet. By that point she'd clearly recognized her conflicting feelings and made some level of peace with them. Hell, even when Allison wakes up with the MC cuddling her, she just thinks about how much she enjoys it rather than assuming the MC is pulling something, so clearly she's not blindsided by her feelings.

Given that, you'd think she or the MC would at least acknowledge the elephant in the room, but neither does so. Instead they keep acting surprised when the other DOESN'T lash out at them, despite that being the norm in their relationship since the game started. I know the game has only been short time relative to their backstories, but it's been a very memorable time. That makes it feels like we're stuck going in circles rather than actually moving forward (however slowly).

In that context, focusing on Allison's libido was exactly the wrong move IMHO. First, because I don't buy it. If Allison hasn't started to come around on the MC, I don't think she'd be attracted to him in the slightest no matter how horny she was; if anything, she'd have taken any lingering sexual frustration out on the MC for groping her. Even if she had started coming around on the MC enough to feel aroused, she wouldn't stick around in bed enjoying the sensation. She'd get up and fret about how to handle these feelings - from a safe distance.

Second, I worry this is going to be used as an excuse for Allison to start getting lewd scenes with the MC without them getting back together, and that would probably kill her character for me. I get that it's not much fun having to turn down most of the game to solo Allison, but I really think that's what the circumstances demand. Allison's LI path needs to be focused on rebuilding the emotions and trust the two used to have to the exclusion of all else; trying to sexualize things before that should be a surefire ticket to the MC cheating on her again.

I see some people have already complained about Allison going topless and in general I agree that it feels out of character for her. I get that Allison has a wild side, but this isn't a spring break beach in Cancun, it's a business conference. Going topless here is just plain unprofessional, and Allison has always struck me as someone who understands the difference between work and play. Combine that scene with her bizarre reaction to the MC's boner and the inability for either character to discuss the real issues and I get frustrated. And a little nervous.

Its kind of the same like my answer to the first point but he got this money like 40 hours or something ago and had to prepare for the conference, there just wasnt really enough time (or at least its plausible that there may have not been time).

I think this will feels less confusing after the next episode is released and were playing it in one go.
I guess, but how long does it take to swing by the institute and fund the next level of care? You can't tell me Cooper would be offended if the MC missed the cookout for that.

But even if the MC didn't have time or doesn't need more payments at the moment, the game needs to do a better job of explaining this. The overriding goal of the story has been to get money for Lily's treatment. The plot suddenly hands the MC a giant stack of cash and Cooper says to take care of Lily... then we proceed to spend the whole update doing everything but that. It's a really weird writing choice.

Something else i not really noticed since i did a new playthrough just now, Allison started to wear her wedding ring again since the ball if the mc takes her with him which is kinda funny.

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Given the giant blue gemstone, I'd assumed that was just a ring Allison wears in place of the wedding ring in formal settings, either to snub the MC a little more, or to discourage would-be paramours. Or both.

Also, she isn't wearing the ring when the MC picks her up, but she is when he wakes her up at the hotel, then she isn't again in the lobby. Maybe she just likes to fidget with it? :p
 

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The update was decent since I got my threesome with Alexa+Kris and Jasmine+Natalya. I was a bit disappointed there was no new hate-sex with Allison.
 

eki6859

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As for the update, it started well but I felt it petered out towards the end. Granted, I'm only playing a solo-Allison route which is clearly not the intended experience, but I was hoping for a more significant emotional connection with Allison in this episode. That doesn't really happen; the relationship is slowly mending and we can surprise Allison if we accept her advice, but overall the two are still dancing around the past (and the MC still leers at everything in sight no matter how hard I pull on the reins, which doesn't help). The closest we see to a genuine heart to heart winds up wasted when it's revealed Allison was already asleep. Instead we learn that Allison is feeling horny around the MC, which honestly feels like a regression after seeing her cook the MC dinner and letting him stay the night a couple updates ago. Maybe my tastes are just too eclectic, but as much as I adore the character I feel like her route - at least as I played it - doesn't flow very well.
Exactly my thoughts when I played yesterday, thanks!
I'm also a solo Allison route player and I didn't like her content in this one ( the shower, the instant sleep, the morning...) but I like the character. I mean this is two updates and we have litteraly nothing concrete since the dinner, not necessarily jumping on each other.
I'm afraid that her only "content" will be in the hate route...
 
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Dude chill, people will always find something to complain, if not lesbian sex it will be a hint of ntr or that some scene was forced on them and if not that they complain that the game have too many branches/LI's or it is too kinetic/few LI's, usually people always find something to complain about :LOL: it is hard to please both Greeks and Trojans. Unfortunately there is not many like me that only post on games I enjoy, I simply ignore games I dislike (my usual "whining" is on how I dislike sandbox games but that is just a gameplay choice hehehe, a few of them are really good and I still play them).
Sure ppl are always going to complain, so no reason to give them justification to do so. examples you gave is choices a Dev makes to do his VN. This is miss tagging a game an actual mistake made and a reason for someone to complain. I've complained about certain tags in other VN's and ppl always tells me to just "go play one without that tag then" So i do. So when a someone like me goes to play a game without a certain tag like lesbian you do like i did you check tags and future tags and then you play but then go to find out it actually miss tagged. This one has been out a while if dev had it planned it should have been tagged properly.
 
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It kinda makes the theory/hints of her being a spy less valid, her being the daughter of an ambassador is something which is easly to verify and should have been verified when she entered college.
Diplomatic members in top positions are usually either very close to, or straight members of secret services. Working for embassies and related activities is one of the biggest red flags for detecting spies.


In lore it's very openly implied that she isn't who she says she is by:

-Her being intentionally vague about her relationship to her family, how she is related to them and where she comes from. Actual aristocrats can't shut up about their name and family relationships, they sometimes can be lazy about describing it to everyone around, but they are never intentionally vague about such things in a meaninful conversation.

-In the car scene, she talked about her past work in "operations", how she treated people working in them (hinting she fucked them to keep them happy). She immediately realised the term was too suspicious and she tried to cover it, explaining it as a normal civilian term. But that's spy terminology and usual tactics (fucking around, both inside her team and also fucking their targets), which doesn't fit with her being an aristocrat into physics.

-She was recommended to the University for a bridge course by the NATO General Secretary, which is the (nominally) highest ranking member of the NATO. People with those kind of connections are never concerned about the validity of their diplomas, they get special privileges which bypass normal requirements for nobodies, they don't need to wait around a professor and a car mechanic. She wouldn't require such a course in the first place, her European diplomas would be immediately admited in the USA.

There might be more because I'm still mid episode 2.



Out of lore, but also mentioned by MC (let's consider this is a world were hot women are into physics, but the MC said that a woman like that doesn't exist in reality, so even in such a world she is exceptional), she is simply too hot for her to be:

-Acting like that with a nobody (MC), going straight for him to fuck him for no reason at all, even when she didn't know him yet she was talking to his friend to meet him.

-Associating with nobodies (MC, his best friend and wife), those women are always travelling around the world and surrounded by the richest and most powerful.

-Into physics, such socially active and pretty women don't touch sciences with a 10 foot pole, specially if they aren't socially awkward (she is the opposite). There are (VERY few) hot women in physics, but they are either socially awkward (they don't fit elsewhere) or leave physics before graduating (when they discover they are much more valuable in other fields).



So more than likely she is either a state spy, or a company spy.
 

3danims123

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Given the giant blue gemstone, I'd assumed that was just a ring Allison wears in place of the wedding ring in formal settings, either to snub the MC a little more, or to discourage would-be paramours. Or both.
Solo Allie route as well. If you go through with the Vanessa sex scene (I loaded and did it after just for viewing purposes!), Jake mentions that it's the engagement ring. Here's the exchange, read from bottom up:

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Krytax123

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It's obviously a matter of interpretation, but to me Allison made a much bigger leap of faith when she invited the MC over for dinner after teaming up with him for the banquet. By that point she'd clearly recognized her conflicting feelings and made some level of peace with them. Hell, even when Allison wakes up with the MC cuddling her, she just thinks about how much she enjoys it rather than assuming the MC is pulling something, so clearly she's not blindsided by her feelings.

Given that, you'd think she or the MC would at least acknowledge the elephant in the room, but neither does so. Instead they keep acting surprised when the other DOESN'T lash out at them, despite that being the norm in their relationship since the game started. I know the game has only been short time relative to their backstories, but it's been a very memorable time. That makes it feels like we're stuck going in circles rather than actually moving forward (however slowly).

Second, I worry this is going to be used as an excuse for Allison to start getting lewd scenes with the MC without them getting back together, and that would probably kill her character for me. I get that it's not much fun having to turn down most of the game to solo Allison, but I really think that's what the circumstances demand. Allison's LI path needs to be focused on rebuilding the emotions and trust the two used to have to the exclusion of all else; trying to sexualize things before that should be a surefire ticket to the MC cheating on her again.

I mean, well, i dont disagree with your points, Allison has these conflicting feelings since we saw her appear for the first time, being angry at the mc was like her shield against these feelings.

I just finished the allison/jasmine/natalya route for the first time just now and jasmine and natalya kinda cofirmed my viewpoint:

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Its only natural imo that missing someone includes the sex too, and there are countless examples of couples who still have occasional sex after a breakup because well .. were all humans and are sometimes lonely, miss intimicay and so on. Sex and intimacy are things you miss deeply and passion can be bonding.

But i agree with you and would prefer them becoming a couple again before having sex again. Yet i dont think its an absolute dealbreaker if they have sex first and get back together afterwards (as long as its not too long afterwards).

In that context, focusing on Allison's libido was exactly the wrong move IMHO. First, because I don't buy it. If Allison hasn't started to come around on the MC, I don't think she'd be attracted to him in the slightest no matter how horny she was; if anything, she'd have taken any lingering sexual frustration out on the MC for groping her. Even if she had started coming around on the MC enough to feel aroused, she wouldn't stick around in bed enjoying the sensation. She'd get up and fret about how to handle these feelings - from a safe distance.
Its not possible for allison to end up in a bed with him in a bad relationship playthrough which makes this point kinda moot or am i wrong?

And she did the thing you mentioned as your other suggestions, she stayed there laying for about what 5-10 seconds and had some half-asleeep thoughts, than she realised whats up and got up with conflicting feelings starting to think about how she misses this/him but doesnt allow herself to continue the thought in front of him.

I guess, but how long does it take to swing by the institute and fund the next level of care? You can't tell me Cooper would be offended if the MC missed the cookout for that.

But even if the MC didn't have time or doesn't need more payments at the moment, the game needs to do a better job of explaining this. The overriding goal of the story has been to get money for Lily's treatment. The plot suddenly hands the MC a giant stack of cash and Cooper says to take care of Lily... then we proceed to spend the whole update doing everything but that. It's a really weird writing choice.

Uh what level of care? The treatment got started and they paid the needed funds for at least the month, i didnt got the impression that they can "upgrade" the treatment with more money. They just need this much money as its unforeseeable how long these costs keep ongoing as i understood it.

And looking at it realisticly, theres no way he can pay all the time in cash (like 250k) without anyone asking questions about the money lol. Kalani should focus on money laundering if its that easy to earn her funds lol

But yeah i agree the plot with getting randomly 250k was strange, way more strange than the mc not using all the illegal money to do something useful with it. It kinda only makes sense as a plot to get the mc into problems which would be annoying, i dont want to have to deal with the tax office in avns too :ROFLMAO:

Given the giant blue gemstone, I'd assumed that was just a ring Allison wears in place of the wedding ring in formal settings, either to snub the MC a little more, or to discourage would-be paramours. Or both.

Also, she isn't wearing the ring when the MC picks her up, but she is when he wakes her up at the hotel, then she isn't again in the lobby. Maybe she just likes to fidget with it? :p
Is that a thing somewhere to not wear the wedding ring during your wedding lol? Shes literally wearing it during their wedding and its the same ring. Like how is that supposed to happen? Putting the ring off after your newlywed husband put it on her finger and switching to another ring? :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 

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Diplomatic members in top positions are usually either very close to, or straight members of secret services. Working for embassies and related activities is one of the biggest red flags for detecting spies.


In lore it's very openly implied that she isn't who she says she is by:

-Her being intentionally vague about her relationship to her family, how she is related to them and where she comes from. Actual aristocrats can't shut up about their name and family relationships, they sometimes can be lazy about describing it to everyone around, but they are never intentionally vague about such things in a meaninful conversation.

-In the car scene, she talked about her past work in "operations", how she treated people working in them (hinting she fucked them to keep them happy). She immediately realised the term was too suspicious and she tried to cover it, explaining it as a normal civilian term. But that's spy terminology and usual tactics (fucking around, both inside her team and also fucking their targets), which doesn't fit with her being an aristocrat into physics.

-She was recommended to the University for a bridge course by the NATO General Secretary, which is the (nominally) highest ranking member of the NATO. People with those kind of connections are never concerned about the validity of their diplomas, they get special privileges which bypass normal requirements for nobodies, they don't need to wait around a professor and a car mechanic. She wouldn't require such a course in the first place, her European diplomas would be immediately admited in the USA.

There might be more because I'm still mid episode 2.



Out of lore, but also mentioned by MC (let's consider this is a world were hot women are into physics, but the MC said that a woman like that doesn't exist in reality, so even in such a world she is exceptional), she is simply too hot for her to be:

-Acting like that with a nobody (MC), going straight for him to fuck him for no reason at all, even when she didn't know him yet she was talking to his friend to meet him.

-Associating with nobodies (MC, his best friend and wife), those women are always travelling around the world and surrounded by the richest and most powerful.

-Into physics, such socially active and pretty women don't touch sciences with a 10 foot pole, specially if they aren't socially awkward (she is the opposite). There are (VERY few) hot women in physics, but they are either socially awkward (they don't fit elsewhere) or leave physics before graduating (when they discover they are much more valuable in other fields).



So more than likely she is either a state spy, or a company spy.
I mean thats what i was talking about, if her Dad is a ambassador (which would have needed to be verified when she registered at the college) it would be imo less likely for her to be a company spy and if at all she would (probably) be a state spy.

And i consider states spying out the mc specificly (on such a personal level too) is ridicilously unlikely considering that the mc's project isnt widely known when she arrives. The MC did mention a data leak in the university some time ago, its possible that they got the intel there.

As far as im aware youre not needing any "bridge courses" or anything similar if you work in the usa with a german diploma in reality, this whole thing is suspect.

And yeah of course Natalya is obviously sus and strange yet being a spy would still be very ... shoehorned, these guys would have to have figured out the immense potential of the mc's project before he even did it himself.

And lets be honest, she would be a really bad spy considering her intellect seeing how pushy and obvious she is, the mc recognizes it himself at their second meeting already.

I just think the spy thing is still not really fitting and its maybe something else but yeah i wouldnt bet my house on it
 

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i only unlocked one scene in the gallery in this update? the kris & alexa scene thats it! plenty of exception errors, everytime he gets a phone call or text it crashes and my night ended at the elevator cause it crashes to the main menu.
anybody have a universal gallery unlocker that works on this game?
 

pitao

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I'm afraid that her only "content" will be in the hate route...
For me that was evident since the start, her constant nagging to the MC about an event in their lives that players had no choice about it leads mostly for a hate route, was the only interactions that really annoyed me in the game. But Allison is a polarizing LI, people or will hate her or love her, and for me Allison and Veronica are the least interesting LI's in the context of the game story about racing and specially after reading the short introduction in the OP and kind of hinting to be a "free spirit" aiming to rebuild his life after a divorce.
Meet Jake, a 30-something divorcee rebuilding his life.
He’s smart, attractive and confident, and he knows it.
Meet smoking hot women, participate in illegal street races, win money, and achieve your goal!
Have fun guiding Jake's life and choose the best path (and the sexiest woman) possible.
Never thought it was a good idea bringing an EX or a current GF/Wife/Partner to the start of an adult game unless the game story revolves primarily around those relationships, and usually they are not stories for my taste anyway. Hate routes don't really seem fun for me either.

I have saves for those 2 LI routes just because maybe I'm wrong and will get more interesting later. But Allison and Veronica are the 2 paths I play in the end and mostly just skipping already seen content.

Edit: Edited to cut so many times I wrote "mostly", got annoyed at myself after reading it a second time :LOL: .
 
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ename144

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i only unlocked one scene in the gallery in this update? the kris & alexa scene thats it! plenty of exception errors, everytime he gets a phone call or text it crashes and my night ended at the elevator cause it crashes to the main menu.
anybody have a universal gallery unlocker that works on this game?
I haven't run into any bugs in the course of normal gameplay (though really I only played one route), but I did get a lot of errors trying to load old saves. What's more, even if I rolled back or ignored those errors, I ran into a new error just trying to access the menu (by hitting the right mouse button or Escape).
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I do have the URM mod installed, but I doubt that's causing the glitch.
 
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