VN Ren'Py Race of Life [Ep. 3.2 Extra Fix3] [Underground Studio]

[HauntedHill]

his talk about trying to redeem himself in regards to all the grief he caused to his wife and daughter (by cheating like an asshole) sounds completely fake when you see how he continues to act like a creep all the time like that.

This right here is my biggest issue. There's literally no option to actually redeem him cause regardless of what u choose the MC is just not a good person or even decent at that. On V's route i chose to have the MC take Jasmin to the party and have sex with her just to see if he'd have any regrets or feel guilty and guess what? None whatsoever. Not during nor after he had sex with her. He doesn't even acknowledge that he batrayed V even after he promised her that he wouldn't hurt her more or less. He just continued like he did nothing wrong and when she called the next morning to ask him to go on a hike with her he seemed irritated. There's many more instances throughout the game where u see this scumbag behavior without the player having any choice.
It's like I said regardless of how u play it the Dev wrote him as a creep and an asshole and there's really nothing we can do about it as the player cause even if we choose the good guy options it feels fake and not sincere at all because of how the Dev wrote his character.

It really is sad and unfortunate that a good game with a good story had to be ruined by a horrible MC and for me characters in general cause most of em are horribly written imo. If they're not annoying they're creepy assholes or skanks. it's pretty much just V and Ally who aren't in those categories and perhaps Maggie but I skip through all that DID crap so i wouldn't know really.

 

[Maviarab]

On V's route i chose to have the MC take Jasmin to the party and have sex with her just to see if he'd have any regrets or feel guilty and guess what? None whatsoever. He doesn't even acknowledge that he batrayed V even after he promised her that he wouldn't hurt her more or less. He just continued like he did nothing wrong and when she called the next morning he seemed irritated by her.

That was entirely your choice though....yours. So you want to do dumb shit...but then have the MC feel bad about it?

it's pretty much just V and Ally who aren't in those categories and perhaps Maggie but I skip through all that DID crap so i wouldn't know really.

 

[HauntedHill]

That was entirely your choice though....yours. So you want to do dumb shit...but then have the MC feel bad about it?

You clearly don't get the point i was trying to make by doing so. I did that just to see if the character of the MC would feel guilty which he didn't. That has nothing to do with me but everything to do with how the Dev wrote his character. The MC is able to cheat without feeling guilty whatsoever yet he speaks about redeeming himself. If there was an option to feel guilty or not and I chose to not feel guilty then you'd have every right to say it's my choice but by default he does not feel guilty. I hope you get the point now

 

[Abhai]

You clearly don't get the point i was trying to make by doing so. I did that just to see if the character of the MC would feel guilty which he didn't. That has nothing to do with me but everything to do with how the Dev wrote his character. The MC is able to cheat without feeling guilty whatsoever yet he speaks about redeeming himself. If there was an option to feel guilty or not and I chose to not feel guilty then you'd have every right to say it's my choice but by default he does not feel guilty. I hope you get the point now

Let me ask you just one thing - do you know any complex game (multiple characters/LIs with multiple paths) that is "perfect" (aka to your particular liking)?
I do know a few, though those arent that complex, or are tad shorter/less ambitious (regarding its content). Ironically those are also quite on margins and unsupported (non-recognized nor well-known).

Im really curious because imo no game is perfect and has its own flaws - here are those minor things that probably 99.5% players dont mind that much - because, you know, this is just small project. And what are you doing here seems as polluting this thread with unreasonable demands (almost at the same level with "omg, no futas here...dev, please add some futas, they fit the story perfectly..behold, the lordi have spoken!".

Just my 6 cents on this "topic".

 

[Garvelt]

You clearly don't get the point i was trying to make by doing so. I did that just to see if the character of the MC would feel guilty which he didn't. That has nothing to do with me but everything to do with how the Dev wrote his character. The MC is able to cheat without feeling guilty whatsoever yet he speaks about redeeming himself. If there was an option to feel guilty or not and I chose to not feel guilty then you'd have every right to say it's my choice but by default he does not feel guilty. I hope you get the point now

It's a visual novel, not real life. There are obviously limitations to the number of choices you can have and so on. The more choices you have the more variables there are and that could be a big problem going forward with all the branching and so on. It's a visual novel/game so you should treat it as one. If you want to go for V then you should make the right choices for her path. It's that easy.

Also the MC and Jasmine didn't have sex so I have no idea where you got that from.

 

[Krytax123]

You clearly don't get the point i was trying to make by doing so. I did that just to see if the character of the MC would feel guilty which he didn't. That has nothing to do with me but everything to do with how the Dev wrote his character. The MC is able to cheat without feeling guilty whatsoever yet he speaks about redeeming himself. If there was an option to feel guilty or not and I chose to not feel guilty then you'd have every right to say it's my choice but by default he does not feel guilty. I hope you get the point now

Dude youre such a drama-queen, i can get stuff like the peeking which was really unnessecary and a choice would be great (and the dev stated already hes gonna change it) but youre blowing things waaaaaaaaaay out of proportion.

His redemption is only about allison and lily not about V and even than, the talk about redeming yourself is a choice you did take too. If you take this choice and manwhore and cheat around afterwards, thats on you.

Do you really want to play a MC who's whiny and depressed about your decisions all the time? Like you just decide to keep cheating with everyone and he's whining and sad after every encounter? Do you realise how dumb this sounds? Its like youre angry about this avn not being a kinetic novel with a saint-like mc.

Your judgement about girls like Jasmine (annoying, creepy or skank) exposes your own mindset, youre surely not the good guy you demand the mc to be yourself.

I like that were playing a flawed guy in this avn. Its obvious from the very beginning, Jake isnt a Saint and fucked up BIG TIME in his past and depending on how youre playing him still is.

 

[crabsinthekitchen]

On V's route i chose to have the MC take Jasmin to the party and have sex with her just to see if he'd have any regrets or feel guilty and guess what? None whatsoever

Ignoring the fact that V breaks up with MC if he chooses Jasmine so there's no reason to feel guilty, where can I get that version you played where MC gets to have sex with Jasmine?

 

[Maviarab]

You clearly don't get the point i was trying to make by doing so. I did that just to see if the character of the MC would feel guilty which he didn't. That has nothing to do with me but everything to do with how the Dev wrote his character. The MC is able to cheat without feeling guilty whatsoever yet he speaks about redeeming himself. If there was an option to feel guilty or not and I chose to not feel guilty then you'd have every right to say it's my choice but by default he does not feel guilty. I hope you get the point now

Oh I got it...and understood perfectly that you're an idiot. Then to prove it...you double down on your point.

Impressive beyond belief.

 

[SamualHand]

Jake isnt a Saint and fucked up BIG TIME

Who is Jake? Can we fuck him?

 

[Regularus]

By player choices, if you set the MC onto a path to be a creep, i find it normal and perfectly logical he acts like one and in my opinion there is no problem with that as it's the reader decisions.
It's similar to how you forge the MC in Friends in Need, you can have him being a creep , an absolute piece of shit or a really good and kind man depending on your choices.

Now in Race of Life when the player set the MC into a good guy path, especially the "i want to be a better man" as the MC said when you're on Allison route that i followed on my playthrough, it feels really character-breaking (or make you feel the MC is only faking his will to redeem himself) when the MC continue to act like a creep around (without the reader inputs i mean, as if you had the choice to have the MC act like that it wouldn't be a problem as it would be your decision) .
Though the MC behaving like a creep without player choice seems mostly centered around the MC various scenes that involve Maggie (when not on her route)

On what i feel is a lesser AVN i wouldn't care that much, but i found the level of quality of the writing and dialogue of Race of Life so good (the Veronica route is so well made i am now all Team Veronica) and the story having such good potential after only 2 chapters that it make me probably more critical than i should.

 

[Quibble Bubble]

You clearly don't get the point i was trying to make by doing so. I did that just to see if the character of the MC would feel guilty which he didn't. That has nothing to do with me but everything to do with how the Dev wrote his character. The MC is able to cheat without feeling guilty whatsoever yet he speaks about redeeming himself. If there was an option to feel guilty or not and I chose to not feel guilty then you'd have every right to say it's my choice but by default he does not feel guilty. I hope you get the point now

You played him as a scumbag, so he's acting like a scumbag. He cheated in the past and has the opportunity to learn and improve, but you played him in a way that he did neither, so he stays a lying, self-absorbed scumbag. Why wouldn't he, he's doing the same stuff he's always done?

I think it'd be weird if I kept making choices for the MC to cheat and he turned into a 'woe is me' type of MC and then kept doing it.

Plus... consequences aren't always immediate.

 

[jprotieg75]

This is such a fun game so far; sure hope for some more Kris content in the next chapter.

 

[Krysis_here]

By player choices, if you set the MC onto a path to be a creep, i find it normal and perfectly logical he acts like one and in my opinion there is no problem with that as it's the reader decisions.
It's similar to how you forge the MC in Friends in Need, you can have him being a creep , an absolute piece of shit or a really good and kind man depending on your choices.

Now in Race of Life when the player set the MC into a good guy path, especially the "i want to be a better man" as the MC said when you're on Allison route that i followed on my playthrough, it feels really character-breaking (or make you feel the MC is only faking his will to redeem himself) when the MC continue to act like a creep around (without the reader inputs i mean, as if you had the choice to have the MC act like that it wouldn't be a problem as it would be your decision) .
Though the MC behaving like a creep without player choice seems mostly centered around the MC various scenes that involve Maggie (when not on her route)

On what i feel is a lesser AVN i wouldn't care that much, but i found the level of quality of the writing and dialogue of Race of Life so good (the Veronica route is so well made i am now all Team Veronica) and the story having such good potential after only 2 chapters that it make me probably more critical than i should.

Now I got your point your main Motive is to tell that Veronica is best for MC and other paths are creep for you so far. Okay, That tells a lot that you love Milf kind of Personality, but that does not make the other paths and mc creep at all. Definitely, you have selected the cheats option and enabled the stats of all Including Allison and Maggie in the top that is Why MC reacted that way but if you are not interested in that then Why you engaged in the scenes as they are pretty much avoidable, In my Walkthrough I get Jasmine and horny scenes Where in Party She was drunken and Horny and inside car She rubbed her ass with MC's cock but No sex scene so far, I guess you like Veronica so much that you can't take other characters very well. Well, Let me tell you that Real Creep was Veronica so far in the Game, not MC. His writing is so far is great, And he is kind of weird goofy but still not creepy at all. Veronica is so far the most clingy, self-centered, and jealous one. She is so irritating for MC during his worst days. In some cases like Allison in the park scene may look like she is bad but actually, after that scene, she definitely has good intentions, Maggie is very homely with MC and yeah some scenes she reacts like too shy but according to her mental condition of her mother and past She is like that you can't help that and Jasmine is very fun loving, Fiery types to cheer up mc. Sorry but no Sorry

 

[HauntedHill]

Let me ask you just one thing - do you know any complex game (multiple characters/LIs with multiple paths) that is "perfect" (aka to your particular liking)?
I do know a few, though those arent that complex, or are tad shorter/less ambitious (regarding its content). Ironically those are also quite on margins and unsupported (non-recognized nor well-known).

Im really curious because imo no game is perfect and has its own flaws - here are those minor things that probably 99.5% players dont mind that much - because, you know, this is just small project. And what are you doing here seems as polluting this thread with unreasonable demands (almost at the same level with "omg, no futas here...dev, please add some futas, they fit the story perfectly..behold, the lordi have spoken!".

Just my 6 cents on this "topic".

" Polluting the thread with unreasonable demands"LOL are you serious? All I did was give my opinion on this games characters and somehow I'm now polluting the thread with unreasonable demands?. I won't even entertain u any further than this cause you're either trying to start something or you're diluted.

 

[HauntedHill]

It's a visual novel, not real life. There are obviously limitations to the number of choices you can have and so on. The more choices you have the more variables there are and that could be a big problem going forward with all the branching and so on. It's a visual novel/game so you should treat it as one. If you want to go for V then you should make the right choices for her path. It's that easy.

Also the MC and Jasmine didn't have sex so I have no idea where you got that from.

I meant the exchange student. I forgot her name and called her jasmine.

So what you're saying is because it's a visual novel characters shouldn't feel guilty if they act a certain negative way? And nobody was demanding any advanced choices lol. All I said was the MC is an asshole and a creep based on how the Dev wrote the character. I even said the choices doesn't matter because even if u choose good guy options it does not feel sincere because of the way the dev wrote the character overall.

I seriously don't know how hard it is for you guys to understand the point I'm trying to makes cuase yall are bringing up irrelevant shiz acting like I'm demanding stuff when all I said was the MC did not feel guilty for cheating on V even tho he said he wants to redeem himself. My problem has nothing to do with the choices but rather with the MC's general behavior.

 

[HauntedHill]

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Now I got your point your main Motive is to tell that Veronica is best for MC and other paths are creep for you so far. Okay, That tells a lot that you love Milf kind of Personality, but that does not make the other paths and mc creep at all. Definitely, you have selected the cheats option and enabled the stats of all Including Allison and Maggie in the top that is Why MC reacted that way but if you are not interested in that then Why you engaged in the scenes as they are pretty much avoidable, In my Walkthrough I get Jasmine and horny scenes Where in Party She was drunken and Horny and inside car She rubbed her ass with MC's cock but No sex scene so far, I guess you like Veronica so much that you can't take other characters very well. Well, Let me tell you that Real Creep was Veronica so far in the Game, not MC. His writing is so far is great, And he is kind of weird goofy but still not creepy at all. Veronica is so far the most clingy, self-centered, and jealous one. She is so irritating for MC during his worst days. In some cases like Allison in the park scene may look like she is bad but actually, after that scene, she definitely has good intentions, Maggie is very homely with MC and yeah some scenes she reacts like too shy but according to her mental condition of her mother and past She is like that you can't help that and Jasmine is very fun loving, Fiery types to cheer up mc. Sorry but no Sorry

Honestly not really. The only reason why I stuck with V is because the MC was already dating her. But I did paths for each LI and the rest I just found Annoying so by default I guess V is the best. But honestly I'd rather just have the MC fix things with Ally and Lilly and try to be a better person but that's not happening obviously. MCs an asshole and a creep.

Oh and yeah we can have different opinions obviously so it's cool if you don't agree with me. Some people here are acting like I'm insulting their girlfriends lol yet I'm just giving my opinion on fictional characters. It's sad but hey what can we do. It's the reason why I hate f9 sometimes and rarely come on here . U cant even have an opinion without some swafty getting offended.

 

[HauntedHill]

Let me ask you just one thing - do you know any complex game (multiple characters/LIs with multiple paths) that is "perfect" (aka to your particular liking)?
I do know a few, though those arent that complex, or are tad shorter/less ambitious (regarding its content). Ironically those are also quite on margins and unsupported (non-recognized nor well-known).

Im really curious because imo no game is perfect and has its own flaws - here are those minor things that probably 99.5% players dont mind that much - because, you know, this is just small project. And what are you doing here seems as polluting this thread with unreasonable demands (almost at the same level with "omg, no futas here...dev, please add some futas, they fit the story perfectly..behold, the lordi have spoken!".

Just my 6 cents on this "topic".

No VN is perfect obviously but am I seriously demanding much from this game? Hell I'm not demanding anything. All I wanted was for the MC to at least show some guilt which would then let me the player know that he really is serious about wanting to redeem himself that he really is serious about regretting what he did to his wife and daughter. Literally all it took was an internal monologue to express that and that would've sufficed. But instead he didn't acknowledge it and instead got somewhat annoyed when V called rue next day. I seriously don't know why you guys are acting like Im hating on this game when I've been saying the entire time that I like this game and the story, it's just the characters I'm not fond of and the way the MC shows no signs of actually wanting to redeem himself yet wasn't that part of the narrative. That and his creepy behavior but I get that most porn VNs have the "should I take a peak" option but I feel like this game could be so much more than just another porn game with a story. That's partly where my disappointment comes in. I kinda wanted more for it cause of how good the story is but the MC is written like a generic porn MC which takes away from the story for me.

t's also cray how some of yall(not throwing shade at u) can't even see that the MC is an asshole and a creep.
These games must I've fucked your heads up or something cause damn.

 

[Regularus]

Now I got your point your main Motive is to tell that Veronica is best for MC and other paths are creep for you so far. Okay, That tells a lot that you love Milf kind of Personality, but that does not make the other paths and mc creep at all. Definitely, you have selected the cheats option and enabled the stats of all Including Allison and Maggie in the top that is Why MC reacted that way but if you are not interested in that then Why you engaged in the scenes as they are pretty much avoidable, In my Walkthrough I get Jasmine and horny scenes Where in Party She was drunken and Horny and inside car She rubbed her ass with MC's cock but No sex scene so far, I guess you like Veronica so much that you can't take other characters very well. Well, Let me tell you that Real Creep was Veronica so far in the Game, not MC. His writing is so far is great, And he is kind of weird goofy but still not creepy at all. Veronica is so far the most clingy, self-centered, and jealous one. She is so irritating for MC during his worst days. In some cases like Allison in the park scene may look like she is bad but actually, after that scene, she definitely has good intentions, Maggie is very homely with MC and yeah some scenes she reacts like too shy but according to her mental condition of her mother and past She is like that you can't help that and Jasmine is very fun loving, Fiery types to cheer up mc. Sorry but no Sorry

I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing when i wrote about the MC behaving like a creep regardless of the path choosen.

What i was pointing is that during the scenes with Maggie (it happens only on her scenes from my various playthrough) the MC will be forced to behave like a creep without the player choice.

While you have that choice (being creep or not) with other LI.

I rewrote the case in point so you may see better what i mean as i just got through in my new playthrough :
At a point of the story Maggie will go to the MC in tears and terrified after she had been threatened in her home, i select the choices that point the MC to behave like a nice guy concerned by her safety and choose for the MC to bring her a diner at a restaurant to help her calm down and feel safer.

Maggie will then take some clothes from her dresser still feeling unsafe and shaken by her experience with the guy that threatened her. And here is what the MC does to show how much he geniunely is trying to help :



It would have been no problem if the MC was not a "trying to be a better man" path or if i had made some other choice that point the MC to not really genuinely care about Maggie situation as after all you have several choices in the game that can lead into various paths , but in that case there's no choice and the MC will behave like a creep even if it does not fit the path.

Other people additionally mentionned another forced creep MC case : one of the voyeur scene (always with Maggie) was forced too with the MC being automatically a creep and checking inside Maggie's home from the door. The dev replied it was a mistake and would fix it for next time :
https://f95zone.to/threads/race-of-life-ep-2-extra-new-underground-studio.130096/post-12259358

So i hope this one is unintended too and will go behind one of those future fixes.

note : I'm not sure how you can see Veronica as a "MILF", she's a mature woman of the same age as the MC and has no children of her own.
And it has nothing at all to do with behaving like a creep or not, especially as that character is the only one that is really in love with the MC (love that the MC can accept or disregard from the choices) from the start of the story

 

[Krysis_here]

I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing when i wrote about the MC behaving like a creep regardless of the path choosen.

What i was pointing is that during the scenes with Maggie (it happens only on her scenes from my various playthrough) the MC will be forced to behave like a creep without the player choice.

While you have that choice (being creep or not) with other LI.

I rewrote the case in point so you may see better what i mean as i just got through in my new playthrough :
At a point of the story Maggie will go to the MC in tears and terrified after she had been threatened in her home, i select the choices that point the MC to behave like a nice guy concerned by her safety and choose for the MC to bring her a diner at a restaurant to help her calm down and feel safer.

Maggie will then take some clothes from her dresser still feeling unsafe and shaken by her experience with the guy that threatened her. And here is what the MC does about to show how much he geniunely is trying to help :

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It would have been no problem if the MC was not a "trying to be a better man" path or if i had made some other choice that point the MC to not really genuinely care abotu Maggie situation as after all you have several choices in the game that can lead into various paths , but in that case there's no choice and the MC will behave like a creep even if it does not fit the path.

Other people additionally mentionned another forced creep MC case : one of the voyeur scene (always with Maggie) was forced too with the MC being automatically a creep and checking inside Maggie's home from the door. The dev replied it was a mistake and would fix it for next time :
https://f95zone.to/threads/race-of-life-ep-2-extra-new-underground-studio.130096/post-12259358

So i hope this one is unintended too and will go behind one of those future fixes.

note : I'm not sure how you can see Veronica as a "MILF", she's a mature woman of the same age as the MC and has no children of her own.
And it has nothing at all to do with behaving like a creep or not, especially as that character is the only one that is really in love with the MC (love that the MC can accept or disregard from the choices) from the start of the story

I got your point that you tell which part should be corrected and the developer saw it and will correct it in the future, But Veronica is in love, Something is called selfless love, and another one is called Demanding love but okay I get your point it's okay. Choices prefer and yeah that's good.

 

[Krysis_here]

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Honestly not really. The only reason why I stuck with V is because the MC was already dating her. But I did paths for each LI and the rest I just found Annoying so by default I guess V is the best. But honestly I'd rather just have the MC fix things with Ally and Lilly and try to be a better person but that's not happening obviously. MCs an asshole and a creep.

Oh and yeah we can have different opinions obviously so it's cool if you don't agree with me. Some people here are acting like I'm insulting their girlfriends lol yet I'm just giving my opinion on fictional characters. It's sad but hey what can we do. It's the reason why I hate f9 sometimes and rarely come on here . U cant even have an opinion without some swafty getting offended.

Guess What? There are a lot of ways to Put some matter or decision. But directly putting hate on the Game and nothing more, do you even know what is called Healthy criticizing something, you might bring up some part where you felt some changes can be done or so but No you are Just attacking every character LI's and MC except Saint Veronica. Wow, how did you come up with all of these? No LI's game is perfect...Do you know How much time it takes the game to make?? or ever tried to play the game with the captions reading seems like you just skipped the game to play the V and MC part. It's not like you are offending others by telling them What you like or Who is a creep and Who is not...You are just bullying UndergroundStudio , If you are saying that parts where MC is not with V and He is looking creepy those parts are also avoidable that is called Walkthrough. Respect the Characters that make up the game. Tell us which parts you feel should be improved but no....Wait Wait Wait...I replied to the other guy but why are you replying to me that means both account holders are the same person...Right?? So from that side, you are replying to me?? One Veronica and MC in the game doesn't pull up the Whole game, By that case You feel MC's daughter is also creepy cuz She came in between MC and V's relationship. I get it.