VN Ren'Py Radiant [v0.6.3] [RK Studios]

[LSC82]

I'm gonna be a late entry into this discussion...
First i would like to say that incest is neither a requirement or a deal breaker for me, more stuff besides that will influence wether i end up liking a story or not.
With that said if there is a patch i tend to install it, because the "landlady" thing sounds utterly ridiculous.

Something people miss in this "incest or not?" discussion, incest premises aren't one and the same, some are better than others.
Radiant here, is about girls who never met their father until they were grown up, that is (imo) a good premise, i can see both sides having a lot of confusing thoughts upon having their lives shaken upside down.
The bachelor who is suddenly living with 3 hot nubile girls but is suppoused to stay away because they are his daughters.
And the girls who never had a father figure, now have to share a roof with this (suppousedly) hunk of a man and don't know how to deal with this...
Both sides aren't used to this and they've been suddenly dropped into this situation, i can understand the confusion it generates.

On the other hand we have the ever popular, son moves back home after 5(or so) years...
I can understand the mom being elated with her son being back, and taking notice of how much more grown up he looks... still from those 2 things to jumping his bones it's quite the stretch.

 

[jaw1986baby]

There is an update on Patron...

But I will not go to that shitty company's site. If someone wants to grab it.

 

[cptjackrabbit]

I'm gonna be a late entry into this discussion...
First i would like to say that incest is neither a requirement or a deal breaker for me, more stuff besides that will influence wether i end up liking a story or not.
With that said if there is a patch i tend to install it, because the "landlady" thing sounds utterly ridiculous.

that’s exactly what I was saying. Radiant using ward and caretaker is driving me nuts. They just sound ridiculous

Something people miss in this "incest or not?" discussion, incest premises aren't one and the same, some are better than others.
Radiant here, is about girls who never met their father until they were grown up, that is (imo) a good premise, i can see both sides having a lot of confusing thoughts upon having their lives shaken upside down.
The bachelor who is suddenly living with 3 hot nubile girls but is suppoused to stay away because they are his daughters.
And the girls who never had a father figure, now have to share a roof with this (suppousedly) hunk of a man and don't know how to deal with this...
Both sides aren't used to this and they've been suddenly dropped into this situation, i can understand the confusion it generates.

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Another good point. These three and mc have no familial bond, whatsoever. They didn’t know the other exists. They might be blood relatives, but in the beginning, they aren’t family.

 

[JLucci]

There is an update on Patron...

But I will not go to that shitty company's site. If someone wants to grab it.

I's a public post followed by the usual patreon wallpapers:

Radiant CH5: Progress Report #3
Hey again everyone! I've recently

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to reflect the state of our progress, and this is the biggest one yet... as we've nearly completed the next 7 scenes, and it won't be long before we knock out the next few as well. Additionally, now that we're nearing completion, I was able to predict that the chapter will be approximately 19-20 scenes long, and I've updated the tracker to reflect that.
While this does mean that Chapter 5 is a bit shorter than the last two, the good news is that we only have approximately 7-8 more scenes to completion, and we're still on track to release in late February!
As you can see by the above previews, we're meeting a new (but important) female character! Who is this peculiar looking girl, and why the mysterious sunglasses? Perhaps her role in the story has something to do with one of the career aspirations of the triplets..? We also get a rather intense visit from our employee, Mira, whom I cannot confirm nor deny is up to something.
I would've liked to post more previews for you guys, but the others would be a bit too spoilery, so we'll have to leave it at that for now.
A quick apology for taking a while to post this one: not only did we have the holidays recently, but I've been dealing with quite a few difficult personal matters and decided to use my time wisely and focus my energy on just getting work done. That said, I'm about to post this month's wallpapers (they're spicy!): sorry they're coming so late in the month, and thanks for being so patient with us.
I love you all!
SirD.

Edit: Hooray, just what this game needs is more characters!

Edit 2: Might as well add the images that came with it.

 

[Squark ⚧❤️]

that’s exactly what I was saying. Radiant using ward and caretaker is driving me nuts. They just sound ridiculous

I'm sure you know, but "ward" is applicable if a child is left in the care of a legal guardian (or the courts).

However, I feel "caretaker" is not quite the correct usage of the term - except in North America where it can apply to buildings, animals or people. Not being North American myself, it feels off.

 

[cptjackrabbit]

I'm sure you know, but "ward" is applicable if a child is left in the care of a legal guardian (or the courts).

However, I feel "caretaker" is not quite the correct usage of the term - except in North America where it can apply to buildings, animals or people. Not being North American myself, it feels off.

grammatically those words aren’t wrong. It’s just they aren’t used in regular speech. At least in such a manner. Ward isn’t basically used at all. Caretaker is usually someone caring for an elderly person, if we used the common colloquial.

in many games they use landlady. Again, wouldn’t be wrong for context, just sounds stupid. A mom makes more sense for the role than landlady.

 

[MOSG]

thanks.

 

[Filipis]

Some very well thought out and articulated posts.

I'll admit I'm very drawn to incest stories to the point some without tend to bore me unless the story line is really good, Eternum, Love of Magic and Leap of Faith come to mind but I have my own personal reasons for that.

I also very much appreciate V/Ns where the models are proportioned realistically, including the male ones. I'm not a fan of the anomalous genetic mutation penis, it hurts the story immersion. I also admit it was Olivia I was most drawn to in Radiant.

I'm most drawn to more romantic driven stories, I've been a writer of stories for more than a few years now that have been posted at various sites so the writing quality is important to me. Sometimes I'm amazed at how much some people are willing to look past sloppy, lazy, or derivative writing. Some of the more popular V/Ns have some of the worst writing. It seems as though writing a good MC is particularly hard for some Devs. They make a V/N that looks good but can't create a decent MC. (Looking at you Midnight Paradise and B.a.D. which is way over rated from a writing stand point among others)

I don't care for the sleep creep thing, I prefer MCs who show some respect to female characters they profess to care about. I don't mind slow burn stories with good character development that are well fleshed out. Too often lewd and crude are confused for scintillating and titillating. I don't pull punches as can be seen in some of my reviews such as A Wife and Mother.

I've started writing a story that I hope to turn into my first V/N. So I'll be putting my money where my mouth is.

Couldn't have articulated these thoughts better myself!
Now, on one hand, I understand why a lot of the more popular VNs have mediocre to poor writing - it's because VNs we mostly enjoy here are 3D rendered, which is a skill all on its own - and not an easy one to learn or master. So, when a VN has questionable and/or unbelievable dialogue, we look for something else to praise. And surprise: the renders and animations leave the (arguably) 2nd most important impression on us, the readers.
However, I do find myself too often skipping pointless and mind-numbing dialogue that expands the story, instead of furthering it. And, there are simply not enough character choices given to the player. Upon reflection, I would reckon that the scenes I skip most go on for what could only be an educated guess of several weeks effort of rendering, yet asks no input from the MC. I would prefer these "character building" scenes actually allow for building relationships by giving the player the option to respond in several ways (usually Love/Lust paths), and to feel the effect of those later down the line. Otherwise, the developer IMHO wasted months of rendering on scenes that achieve nothing but (in the words of cptjackrabbit) build desire through lewdness - instead of building lewdness through desire.
I can only hope, that with time, the quantity and quality of adult VNs continually improves. Technology has essentially already reached a plateau in development, the means with which to stand out is writing compelling characters & stories!

 

[Son of Durin]

grammatically those words aren’t wrong. It’s just they aren’t used in regular speech. At least in such a manner. Ward isn’t basically used at all. Caretaker is usually someone caring for an elderly person, if we used the common colloquial.

in many games they use landlady. Again, wouldn’t be wrong for context, just sounds stupid. A mom makes more sense for the role than landlady.

Ward has been used that way and is a legal term used daily in the court systems, but it isn't something you see much in modern speech outside of that. Not quite archaic, but not everyday, either. It is, however, the appropriate term for an unrelated child placed legally in the care of a permanent guardian, but which that guardian does not adopt. It's different from a "foster" situation which is meant to be temporary.

 

[Deleted member 313508]

Ward has been used that way and is a legal term used daily in the court systems, but it isn't something you see much in modern speech outside of that. Not quite archaic, but not everyday, either. It is, however, the appropriate term for an unrelated child placed legally in the care of a permanent guardian, but which that guardian does not adopt. It's different from a "foster" situation which is meant to be temporary.

It's not everyday... Unless you're Batman with his ward Dick Grayson, aka Robin! Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

[armond]

It's not everyday... Unless you're Batman with his ward Dick Grayson, aka Robin! Sorry, couldn't resist.

I think Dr. Strange made a ward joke about spiderman in infinity war as well

 

[cptjackrabbit]

Ward has been used that way and is a legal term used daily in the court systems, but it isn't something you see much in modern speech outside of that. Not quite archaic, but not everyday, either. It is, however, the appropriate term for an unrelated child placed legally in the care of a permanent guardian, but which that guardian does not adopt. It's different from a "foster" situation which is meant to be temporary.

While you are pointing out technical differences in our post, I do think we are saying the same things. These words were used appropriately. That’s why I said they weren’t things in the common colloquial.


point being, words like these roboticize (Yes I made up a word) the dialogue. It doesn’t sound natural and loses appeal. Back to my classic landlady example… I’m not interested in an MC banging his mom. But I’m even less interested in hearing landladyin the same spot in conversation..hell, it’d be nice if once it was the landlady, and she lived in a different place.

 

[armond]

While you are pointing out technical differences in our post, I do think we are saying the same things. These words were used appropriately. That’s why I said they weren’t things in the common colloquial.


point being, words like these roboticize (Yes I made up a word) the dialogue. It doesn’t sound natural and loses appeal. Back to my classic landlady example… I’m not interested in an MC banging his mom. But I’m even less interested in hearing landladyin the same spot in conversation..hell, it’d be nice if once it was the landlady, and she lived in a different place.

Useing the character name would solve a lot of this but they are just replacing mom with the patron approved filler phrase, it's a lack of creativity on the wrighters part. Through exposition you can infer a relationship without saying, "oh fuck, we're related by blood lolololol"

 

[Squark ⚧❤️]

roboticize (Yes I made up a word)

Sonic the Hedgehog Saturday morning cartoon (commonly called Sonic SatAM) would like a word with you.

 

[Son of Durin]

While you are pointing out technical differences in our post, I do think we are saying the same things. These words were used appropriately. That’s why I said they weren’t things in the common colloquial.


point being, words like these roboticize (Yes I made up a word) the dialogue. It doesn’t sound natural and loses appeal. Back to my classic landlady example… I’m not interested in an MC banging his mom. But I’m even less interested in hearing landladyin the same spot in conversation..hell, it’d be nice if once it was the landlady, and she lived in a different place.

A better way of writing it for the non-incest path would be to use the term "wards" at the initial realization, but then use the term "the girls" or "my girls" later. The former is just a generic, but the latter gives a parental feel to things even though he would not be bio-dad in that scenario. However, games like this are written with simplistic single-word substitution for the "patch" to deal with; using better language choices would make patching more complex. I also think it's partially to get you to give up and give in even if that isn't the approach you wanted to take.

 

[dolfe67]

It's just a fuck-you to censorship. Why being creative with ways around it when this is what you want to write, an incest story. But you need to censor it to get that money on patreon.

 

[connor1518]

Getting too creative with what you call them be it a substitute for mom, daughter, dad, whatever makes it more complex to make a patch. Maybe the better way is to allow people to name the relationships at the start as some do.

 

[Son of Durin]

Getting too creative with what you call them be it a substitute for mom, daughter, dad, whatever makes it more complex to make a patch. Maybe the better way is to allow people to name the relationships at the start as some do.

I think Patreon still shits on that, maybe some others.

If there's a way to make the game "incest" or change ages built in, without a patch, they nuke them. Might be a couple of sites that do that. This site nukes the latter, I believe.

 

[connor1518]

Possibly, though Subscribestar will go with it. Patreon sucks anyway. They'd nuke Game of Thrones, Flowers in the attic, Oldboy, many others.

 

[Dogorti]

A better way of writing it for the non-incest path would be to use the term "wards" at the initial realization, but then use the term "the girls" or "my girls" later. The former is just a generic, but the latter gives a parental feel to things even though he would not be bio-dad in that scenario. However, games like this are written with simplistic single-word substitution for the "patch" to deal with; using better language choices would make patching more complex. I also think it's partially to get you to give up and give in even if that isn't the approach you wanted to take.

A game that does censorship very well is "Another Chance" the game does not explicitly mention that they are family and the mc does not go around saying "sister" this and "sister" that (which from a certain point of view is better) but they treat each other like family, and all the dialogues in an intelligent way make you see that they are related in a subtle way, I think that a couple of devs should see this game and learn to do a good censorship without losing the essence of the taboo, although the best thing that the devs of this kind of game can do is open a subscribestar account and that's it, if your game is good people will support you anyway