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Last time I had a bottle of Ripple I got pretty confused myself.Somebody's confused with Ripples I think.
I couldn't agree more. I'm not saying this site serves no purpose but let's not get carried away thinking it props up devs. The main purpose is so people can get games for free. It's a pirate site. Devs can use it to get good opinions on their games as well. They don't "owe"the website or it's users anything. Like it or not.
to those who paid for a product in advance (aka "investors")
to dev's who scam investors......
scamming investors is illegal, it's also morally corrupt !
Morality of it aside, from what I understand from a legal standpoint, when you support someone on Patreon you aren't buying or investing in anything, in advance or otherwise. You are literally just supporting a creator with your patronage. Anything you get is technically a "reward" for the patronage, and in most cases creators are under no legal obligation to provide them.
Now, there might be an exception if there's an explicit intent to defraud by promising rewards a creator never intends to deliver. But considering how many creators on Patreon routinely fail to deliver for other non-fraudulent reasons, it'd probably be hard to prove.
If someone is supporting someone on Patreon and feels they aren't getting rewards they're expecting, your best recourse is likely to request a refund and cancel your subscription. However, it's up to the creator whether or not you get a refund; many probably will do it though to avoid negative publicity.
Edit: To be clear, I'm just clarifying what people actually are financing if they support someone on Patreon, not trying to enter the discussion about update time and dev communication about this game in particular.
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Bloody hell, this shit again? If you were a patron to an artist in the middle ages, you still expected to receive something for the money.
I don't care about the other forms of media like YouTube or whatever. I am only talking about the AVN genre since Patreon and SS are the two main sources of income for devs. People can vote with their wallet since it their own money. The AVN genre is already extremely niche and their just not enough support to go around. AVN has an abysmal game completion rate were less than 5% of a given game will be completed. There also news games added being every day were the majority will get abandoned. The current system is just treading water with stagnation and in time decline.
In the middle ages you weren't compelled to commit to a limited, binding and legal terms of service agreement with an organized multi media delivery platform in order to participate, either. I don't think the argument being presented is whether it's reasonable for a patron to have expectations when they support a developer financially. They are on their own, however, to understand what they agree to and set those expectations accordingly. They need to understand that before they even entered the arena, they were told in writing in advance what they could and could not expect and had to check that little box telling the platform they read the terms and agreed to them. One of those things that they agreed to is that the patron support dollars they are providing are, in fact, nothing other than financial support for the developer to continue their work. There is no guarantee of product delivery in return for your patronage given or implied. So whether you agree or not it is undoubtedly a reasonable reaction for people on this platform who have to read the same naive nonsense (or this bloody shit as you might put it) over and over and over. Everyone with a working knowledge of how this ridiculous AVN delivery system works knows there is no recourse to the mystical fictional "milking" argument that in the end adds up to nothing more than a simple misconception of what they paid for. If nothing else these people are bitching in the wrong place. Preaching to the choir so to speak. They'd be better served to take the useless discourse to the mighty patron sites whom they think are monitoring the masses not for profit of course, but rather looking out for their best interests. Seeing as those site barons are the only ones capable of changing it, and they give rat's ass zero about the dialogue happening over here.
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Yep every time we get to this point with update, that's why I don't let it get to me anymore
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I think you misunderstand me. I'm not saying it's unreasonable for a Patron to expect the rewards the creator indicates they should receive or if the creator is unable to do so clear communication as to why. These are things responsible creators do, and I'm not trying to justify behavior of irresponsible creators.
What I am saying is that because of the way Patreon is set up, you are not legally buying anything or legally obligated to receive anything. You are choosing to support a creator or project primarily because you want to help make sure it has the resources to continue, but there is no guarantee that even with your support it will or you'll receive the rewards indicated. Projects end early or creators are unable to deliver fairly regularly there. People that choose to support someone there (as I often do) should keep that in mind as you have very limited recourse when expectations are not met.
Precisely this.
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What I am saying is that because of the way Patreon is set up, you are not legally buying anything or legally obligated to receive anything. You are choosing to support a creator or project primarily because you want to help make sure it has the resources to continue, but there is no guarantee that even with your support it will or you'll receive the rewards indicated. Projects end early or creators are unable to deliver fairly regularly there. People that choose to support someone there (as I often do) should keep that in mind as you have very limited recourse when expectations are not met.
That is true, though. But there are those guys who just argue that you should eat ze bugs... sorry, just accept you're not getting anything for your money, peasant.
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Not out yet should have been 3 months ago, that's why I said I don't let it get to me anymore
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this is a good game with scenes that i really want to see play out
this is a good game with scenes that i really want to see play out
I am not speaking about the "investors". The dev definitely owes people who paid for his product. I'm talking about F95 users who are getting games for free. You get what you get when you get it. Quit complaining and get over it and yourselves.