Ok. I've tried using the walkthrough, but maybe I'm not using correctly. If I want to put Olivia on the 'Darkness' path(which I assume is where she needs to be to get this variant), what do I need to do? Because choosing every 'Red' option as it comes up hasn't been working for me.
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What I did was reject her in chapter 4, then the use and deceive option in chapter 5 and in chapter 6, when she tells you that she loves you, say that you know.
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Depends on how the games are structured. Harem games, sure. Best not split dev time. But even then, I say less girls total but with more development for each one is hella nice. A harem game with 6 girls stand a better chance of developing them than one with a dozen girls for example.
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Sorry. It's my bad for taking the thread in that direction. Apologies to everyone who had stuff removed.
She's the only one that doesn't make me feel gross (and all my daughters are 18, in my version).
Oh, DMD stans get Big Mad if you even dare suggest that maybe D isn't fully capable of consenting because she's very clearly neither mentally nor emotionally developed. (Yes, I also made this mistake.)
But yeah, I have the same trouble with Allison. Ditzy or naïve is one thing, but she's...not right. In my opinion, she's been taken too far in a particular direction by her characterization. I'd feel far more comfortable romancing her if she evidenced any understanding of what she was getting herself into. The story could still do that, but it's going to be difficult.
Truthfully, I think the problem with Allison and several other characters is that the devs view them as X age, but X doesn't meet Patreon's (or F95's) standards. A just-going-through-puberty Allison might actually be the way she is, but that's obviously not going to fly pretty much anywhere.
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You might be on to something there. I really struggled with answering the "age" question; at that point Allison had made the biggest impression on me, but Madison's physique just isn't a thing for a pubescent kid. Appearance wise the other two could pass for anything from 15 to 19, maybe even 20 years old. I think I ended up picking 16 because appearance-wise it was barely plausible with Madison and seemed reasonable for the other two, and every year older made Allison seem more mentally disabled. I decided seeing Olivia as "unusually mature jailbait" bothered me a lot less than seeing Allison as "disturbingly oblivious 18". And fuck it, it's a taboo game anyway.
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To be honest, I re-downloaded the game without the taboo patch when it gave me a shot at Brooke's daughter. That's way too taboo for me. In the patched game I rejected her anyway, but Jesus...
Among the MC's daughters, though, the only one plausibly mature enough to be able consent to stuff is Olivia. You're right — playing the game includes accepting the premise — and that's why they're all 18 in my playthrough, even though that's biologically impossible.
But I'm still not touching Brooke's daughter.
I picked 16 as well because it seemed the most accurate (and not something that upsets me). They are very clearly not 18 and only defaulted as such because of Patreon, but nor are they undeveloped, young teenagers (ew). Also, 16 may not be Patreon legal, but it is legal, and it's certainly not more morally wrong than incest is. I disagree that it's barely plausible for Maddison though, I think you might be underestimating growth.
Yeah... when she was first introduced my reaction was "wow, she's adorable". Then the option to peak on the girl's friend appeared and I was like... oh no. It's a good thing this game makes every path optional and you can hard shut that door.
I don't think Maddison is not mature enough to consent to stuff, but she's also not (yet) interested, thus I am less interested in her than Olivia (who is frankly impossible to resist). That will probably change later, hopefully they do it well but it's going to be a bit unbelievable I think. The only perhaps believable plot line I could see is she becomes jealous of Olivia, or wants to be closer to Olivia again and feels she may be able to through you.
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It's going to have to be done well, and with sensitivity. I don't really have any basis to agree or disagree with the assertion that Madison's emotionally/sexually prepared for a sexual relationship with her father — two of the three things Allison isn't — but if she's not emotionally/mentally ready to even have a relationship with him, she's either going to act out impulsively and destructively, or have to work through the latter issues before she can possibly deal with the former. If she's next, it's going to happen quickly and mostly out of nowhere. If she's third, they actually have time to build some sort of foundation. Whereas Allison, as written, can't possibly know what she's getting herself into, and unless Olivia can 1) get over her hostility to the idea; and 2) gently walk her through what she's about to do, and the potential consequences thereof, it's still going to feel icky. If they were all in school and there was some sort of sex ed class, it'd make this a lot easier. But I don't get the sense that Radiant intends to extend into a school year.
(My headcanon regarding the girls' naïveté is that their mom only only had the time/health to talk to Olivia about sex and relationships; after that, she was too sick. Which is why only Olivia seems to have any idea what she's doing, why she probably shouldn't, and why she wants to do it anyway. Which is another "the girls are actually way younger than the player can make them" argument, and one I prefer not to think about.)
As with Allison, I feel like Madison's X years old in the writing — the perpetual tantrum, acting out for attention, doing things even she knows are wrong because she doesn't know how else to act — and that age isn't one I'm able to accept in my playthrough, nor is it one Patreon or F95 could accept, so there's a disconnect between how I'm able to view her behavior and how the devs view her behavior. But that's speculation, of course.
I'm just grateful they didn't render the daughters as young as I suspect the devs intend them to be. A lot of games where the fetish isn't the incest taboo so much as it's age play, as I think is the case here, regularly test the loli threshold. I can't play most of those games (nor shotas, either). Even then, I struggle with Alita, a lot. By way of comparison, I eventually managed to finish all the routes in Parental Love, but Ada made me profoundly uncomfortable every single time. I don't even remember if she was assigned an age in that game or not, but she was very clearly quite young.
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Allie, she's written that way because she's the typical airhead blonde, I think that's the appeal. Some people find that type of personality cute and sexy. but not me. Maybe that's why she's my least favorite girl. although I still like her.
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I dunno. As others upthread have said, there's an airhead and then there's a question of competence. I find her adorable and cute, and she's obviously attractive, but much in the same way I found my own nieces adorable, cute, and attractive, yet I would've violently murdered anyone (including myself) who tried to act on that impression. One niece used to constantly hug me, and for a while that was fine. Then she reached an age where it started to mean something else to her, and the hugs were restricted to two heartfelt but short hugs when I arrived and when I departed, which is how it's supposed to work. If she was still hugging me as much as before when she was eighteen, I'd have had a conversation with her parents. Not because I was worried about me, but because I was worried about everyone else.
If Allison's the age that my niece was when her feelings about hugging started to change, then she's way too young to be having sex. If Allison's older than that (as she is in my playthrough), then there's something wrong with her. Stuff she clearly doesn't know, and needs to. Maybe it's not her fault — as I said above, maybe her mom just didn't have the health to teach her about these things, and I'm viewing her as 18 because I can't view her as the intended 13 or whatever — but it would be extremely uncomfortable to progress the relationship if she's as much of a Bambi as she's currently being written.
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I think the triplets are between 16-18, less or more than that makes no sense.
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Not to me (referring to the last phrase), but I hate underage games so I can't be trusted on this point. 16-18 sounds right. That said, I don't see Allison getting to 16 (assuming she's the youngest, which isn't asserted) and being completely unaware in the way that she is, without some sort of massive failure in her upbringing, or within her.
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They are triplets so all 3 are the same age. In any case, let's say that Allie has some kind of learning problem and that's it lol.
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Yes. We know that's extremely biologically unlikely, though. I've never accepted it as canon, even though it's an essential part of my playthrough, but it's just not possible.
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"unlikely" and "not possible" do not have the same meaning
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Fine. An incredibly unlikely confluence of genetic mutations could've produced those three girls as triplets. The chance is as unlikely as our universe being replaced by entirely by shrimp, but ok.
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A tall, slender, freckled redhead. A short, slightly curvy blonde. A voluptuous brunette. Go back and review your Mendel homework. All those quadrants.
It's not possible. Well...unless Gracie (was that her name?) was inseminated by three different men the night she conceived, which I have to think that most players wouldn't like.
And so, they can't possibly be triplets. The game asks us to pretend they are, and so that's fine. I'll pretend. But they're not.
It's not possible. Well...unless Gracie (was that her name?) was inseminated by three different men the night she conceived, which I have to think that most players wouldn't like.
And so, they can't possibly be triplets. The game asks us to pretend they are, and so that's fine. I'll pretend. But they're not.