Rape Day?

[Akamari]

They think the game will cause "harm" to it's platform and it's partners. They confirmed it was 100% due to the outrage and response. No matter which way you spin this, it won't make any sense as anything other than censorship.

How is that bad? Steam is a business. They have every right to choose what they want to sell. If they decide they don't want to sell something because it gathered a lot of public outcry and negative press, can you blame them? This is not a state-run media outlet, it's not about free speech or censorship.

From a business point of view, I would pull the plug too. Heck, if anything they should be blamed for not rejecting this from the start. A game actively advertising rape as its feature on the store? Even having it in a bloody title? How dumb can you be for not seeing that it's asking for trouble and unwanted attention.

They changed their policies on adult games only not long ago. Will they amend them after this? As their competition is growing, is it worth going through controversies like this?

 

[The-Tactician]

How is that bad? Steam is a business. They have every right to choose what they want to sell. If they decide they don't want to sell something because it gathered a lot of public outcry and negative press, can you blame them? This is not a state-run media outlet, it's not about free speech or censorship.

From a business point of view, I would pull the plug too. Heck, if anything they should be blamed for not rejecting this from the start. A game actively advertising rape as its feature on the store? Even having it in a bloody title? How dumb can you be for not seeing that it's asking for trouble and unwanted attention.

They changed their policies on adult games only not long ago. Will they amend them after this? As their competition is growing, is it worth going through controversies like this?

Nobody said whether it was good or bad. The only issue is that seems to have arisen about this Rape Day fiasco is the amount of snowjobs taking place about the game's supposed lack of quality or somehow simply because it has rape in the name, it's automatically trolling(Again, if you live in a big brother state, you have more leeway for coming to such a preposterous conclusion).

In other words, this is exclusively addressing the charlatans who propose that this isn't censorship and that the game has broken some rules that not even Valve agrees with them on.

 

[TowerCrow]

Nobody said whether it was good or bad. The only issue is that seems to have arisen about this Rape Day fiasco is the amount of snowjobs taking place about the game's supposed lack of quality or somehow simply because it has rape in the name, it's automatically trolling(Again, if you live in a big brother state, you have more leeway for coming to such a preposterous conclusion).

In other words, this is exclusively addressing the charlatans who propose that this isn't censorship and that the game has broken some rules that not even Valve agrees with them on.

Yea, because these badly lit, grainy images scream quality, right? It's a low effort trolling to get some attention. Nothing else. Have you even read the dev statements? Can't be bigger trolls than that.

 

[OneWayMissile]

The game is just some low quality shit, not even worth playing it. The renders look bad and the devs are trolls

 

[The-Tactician]

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Yea, because these badly lit, grainy images scream quality, right? It's a low effort trolling to get some attention. Nothing else. Have you even read the dev statements? Can't be bigger trolls than that.

Have you read Valve's statement? It wasn't the dev who banned his game. It was Valve and they stated why. Whether you like the game or the dev is irrelevant, but snowjobs and making up make-believe reasons as to why the game is banned hurts your credibility.

 

[Jim Webb]

Guy's the dev's are trolls!! banning them is cool!! WTF?

 

[RedAISkye]

I think Steam's whole concept doesn't fit a game called "Rape Day". Steam is a gaming platform that encourages gamers to brag about their achievements. On the other hand, if you play Rape Day you don't want your family and friends to know.

I don't think the majority of gamer's parents are interested in gaming, let alone they'd be looking at your profile on Steam.
Either way, I personally don't care about what others would think of me based on my gaming history. It's like trying to judge someone based on their porn history. Lol

 

[D.S.-sama]

Does anyone have a link for it? I would like to see what's the big fuss about with my own eyes.

 

[crmsn7]

Does anyone have a link for it? I would like to see what's the big fuss about with my own eyes.

I found this torrent but I'm not sure if its virus free.

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[Ataios]

I don't think the majority of gamer's parents are interested in gaming, let alone they'd be looking at your profile on Steam.
Either way, I personally don't care about what others would think of me based on my gaming history. It's like trying to judge someone based on their porn history. Lol

When your girlfriend or wife shares your passion for gaming, she will likely see your Steam Account and in most cases, she wont be happy about finding a game called "Rape Day" there. In the case of younger players, their parents are likely not that old, so the chances are they have Steam account too. And for older players who have grown children of their own, it may be even worse. Yes, many people say, they don't care what others think. But there is a level of social stigma attached to a game like this, that is hard to bear for anyone. After all, many people may, think of you as a potential rapist, if you play such a game.

 

[RedAISkye]

When your girlfriend or wife shares your passion for gaming, she will likely see your Steam Account and in most cases, she wont be happy about finding a game called "Rape Day" there. In the case of younger players, their parents are likely not that old, so the chances are they have Steam account too. And for older players who have grown children of their own, it may be even worse. Yes, many people say, they don't care what others think. But there is a level of social stigma attached to a game like this, that is hard to bear for anyone. After all, many people may, think of you as a potential rapist, if you play such a game.

That's literally no different from people who argue "video games makes people violent". People created double standard when it came to violence in games and after there were lot of studies debunking it, now they're moving on to creating double standard when it comes to loli content and sexual violence in games.
You do realize there's nothing wrong with fantasizing even the darkest things in fiction because it doesn't harm anyone in real life. Just because you enjoy playing a murder simulator or a rape simulator doesn't mean that you condone murder or rape in real life.

 

[Henticox]

The game is pretty mediocre for the amount of garbage that I raise

 

[The-Tactician]

When your girlfriend or wife shares your passion for gaming, she will likely see your Steam Account and in most cases, she wont be happy about finding a game called "Rape Day" there. In the case of younger players, their parents are likely not that old, so the chances are they have Steam account too. And for older players who have grown children of their own, it may be even worse. Yes, many people say, they don't care what others think. But there is a level of social stigma attached to a game like this, that is hard to bear for anyone. After all, many people may, think of you as a potential rapist, if you play such a game.

This is a good post, as it directly talks about the underlying cause of the censorship.

The fear of judgment, even if it will not come down with much ferocity. The fear of it is enough to compel some people into censorship.

For whatever reason, women as a group are potent political and cultural weapons to wield, as they are often spoken for in favor of a view point that pretends to have their interest in mind. This quoted post being a good example, as it would be hard to believe that any actively gaming girlfriend(or more egregiously -- wife) would be so feeble and weak minded to be unhappy at the title of a video game. In reality, due to it's title, it would warrant nothing more than 5 seconds of curiosity before moving on to actually playing games.

However, this fear of shame combined with feminist cultivation theory will suggest that simply downloading this game will make you known as "The guy who played Rape Day". Your boss will fire you, the banks will close your accounts, the government will take your children, and so on.

Despite Rape Day being a clear cut case of censorship(as confirmed by those who censored it's release), it's supporters have taken up gaslighting as defense from being labeled puritans or the new evangelists.

Granted, the quoted post is one user's interpretation. The media didn't take that exact stance, but considering that his comment got likes, I think it's fair to use it as representative of the pro-censorship side of this thread.

 

[c3p0]

That's literally no different from people who argue "video games makes people violent". People created double standard when it came to violence in games and after there were lot of studies debunking it, now they're moving on to creating double standard when it comes to loli content and sexual violence in games.
You do realize there's nothing wrong with fantasizing even the darkest things in fiction because it doesn't harm anyone in real life. Just because you enjoy playing a murder simulator or a rape simulator doesn't mean that you condone murder or rape in real life.

We've most have double standards pretty much anywhere.
With the "awesome" good algorithm today the search on our private PC and the searchs on the PC we use at work can be linked and thus also the ad banner. So do you like to have commercial from your private search on your work PC?

Or the usuall statement like all the *insert your choice* are *...*, but he/she/this is an exception.
First you make a statement, most times based on your persional opinion without much verified facts, and then, from you're personal experience, you state the on exception you know about from your own prejudice.

Eg: All uneven numbers are bad, but I live in the neverstreet 3, so 3 isn't a bad number.


For steam banning this game, as stated before is simple a business, decision. Risk high, profit chance low, so eliminate the risk with it by simple remove the game from the platform.
Also this isn't about freedom of speech, you've a contract with your partner (steam) and thus rights and responsibilities from this contract. I don't know the rules steam have, but I assume they have secured the right to ban content if they assume it will disadvantageous for them.

Some content are high risk (eg. this game) in the eye of most distribution platforms and I doubt any other well-know distribution platforms wouldn't ban it.


So is it censorship? In my eyes it lt's more yes than no. But what do you define as censorship? It's nice to say that freedom of speech should be absolut, but in reality they are some limits to this concept through all level (politic, work, private, ....). So the only "true" freedom of speech we would ever have is between our both ears. A lot of censorship take place between mind and our outer world. I think he is an asshole, but I say he has he's own unique charachter.


Also some countries has rules against such controversial topic and often such topic is only allowed, if it has some kind of self-reflection in it.
So for most of this, I see goes under the Eleventh Commandment: Don't let yourself get catched.


For the game itself: Most likely I wouldn't play it. Graphic are medicore from what I see here, game topic is my usuall cup of tea and story, I don't know "zombie apocalypse + rape" doesn't help me to see an additional value to spike my intrest. Even the MC is like one of those Shisaku, Kisaku or Isaku types.

So I don't like and if I want this type of fuck feast, I would rather watch this kind of hentai. But I think, as with lot of other things to, I would play it - and possible have a qed enlightenment - only to know what the people are talking about.

 

[RedAISkye]

We've most have double standards pretty much anywhere.
With the "awesome" good algorithm today the search on our private PC and the searchs on the PC we use at work can be linked and thus also the ad banner. So do you like to have commercial from your private search on your work PC?

Or the usuall statement like all the *insert your choice* are *...*, but he/she/this is an exception.
First you make a statement, most times based on your persional opinion without much verified facts, and then, from you're personal experience, you state the on exception you know about from your own prejudice.

Eg: All uneven numbers are bad, but I live in the neverstreet 3, so 3 isn't a bad number.


For steam banning this game, as stated before is simple a business, decision. Risk high, profit chance low, so eliminate the risk with it by simple remove the game from the platform.
Also this isn't about freedom of speech, you've a contract with your partner (steam) and thus rights and responsibilities from this contract. I don't know the rules steam have, but I assume they have secured the right to ban content if they assume it will disadvantageous for them.

Some content are high risk (eg. this game) in the eye of most distribution platforms and I doubt any other well-know distribution platforms wouldn't ban it.


So is it censorship? In my eyes it lt's more yes than no. But what do you define as censorship? It's nice to say that freedom of speech should be absolut, but in reality they are some limits to this concept through all level (politic, work, private, ....). So the only "true" freedom of speech we would ever have is between our both ears. A lot of censorship take place between mind and our outer world. I think he is an asshole, but I say he has he's own unique charachter.


Also some countries has rules against such controversial topic and often such topic is only allowed, if it has some kind of self-reflection in it.
So for most of this, I see goes under the Eleventh Commandment: Don't let yourself get catched.


For the game itself: Most likely I wouldn't play it. Graphic are medicore from what I see here, game topic is my usuall cup of tea and story, I don't know "zombie apocalypse + rape" doesn't help me to see an additional value to spike my intrest. Even the MC is like one of those Shisaku, Kisaku or Isaku types.

So I don't like and if I want this type of fuck feast, I would rather watch this kind of hentai. But I think, as with lot of other things to, I would play it - and possible have a qed enlightenment - only to know what the people are talking about.

That's the Tu quoque fallacy. Yeah, it's ultimately Valve's decision but they have created a policy of "everything goes except if it's illegal or obvious trolling" so later they can't be selective as that would be unfair for the developers. Either they need to be more transparent and make their policy more specific like "Depiction of sexual violence is not allowed" or they can simply stop trying to cater to the SJWs. This isn't just about free speech but also about Valve's inconsistency with their policy. On top of that, their standard supports artistic creativity which is protected by free speech which is the reason people are pointing it out it isn't only the one or the other, it's both topics at discussion. The censorship is specifically about artistic creativity in fiction and people who advocate for censorship are contradicting themselves if they say they do support free speech. Most of the countries don't have freedom of speech and to my knowledge, I think only the USA has it as some countries have made hate speech a thing which is a direct contradiction to free speech but what does other countries having different rules got to do with free speech? You know legality does not equal morality right?

 

[Kyraneth]

You do realize there's nothing wrong with fantasizing even the darkest things in fiction because it doesn't harm anyone in real life.

It's nothing wrong, yeh, but classical criminology says that every person is criminal. He or she just didn't do anything harmful yet. No matter what.

You can be cool. Until the moment when HR that monitors your social media writes down that you are suspicious weirdo and shouldn't work in your current position, or desired one.

There are double standarts everywhere. It's just a fact you cannot eliminate.

direct contradiction to free speech but what does other countries having different rules got to do with free speech?

Valve is a commercial company. They aren't obliged to grant or support your freedom of speech. They just sell goods that you consume, and nothing more.

 

[c3p0]

That's the Tu quoque fallacy.

First which of the few points I've stated goes under this? And second why?

First statement: Action and Rection
The point is you have a reaction for every action you do, even if the action is mostly harmless
If I lock for something, eg, as a men for woman underware on my PC, it does nothing. It could be my kink full stop. If this would show up on google search as an ad banner in the working PCI use, then, at least, my colleges would think different than before about me. So this obvious have an effect.

Second statement: Steam's police and action
I don't see where I set tu quoque here as I don't reference to any other companies or the like.

Third statement: Freedom of speech
I used the USA version as I believe this is the one that allows the most (If I used my countries conterpart it would be a lot more limited). Only say that even with the freedom of speech you can't say all things you want (see below for one example). Most likely this would be the one for the "tu quoque".

Fourth statement: Addon to third, so if it's 3rd then it's 4th also.

So this brings me down to one question: As I life on this unideal planet comes with all the ups and downs, I find it quiet difficulty to argument if we go for the ideal implementation of something rather than the real implementation of it.
If we want to change something we most want to change the real implementation not the ideal model of it (as per define a ideal model is ideal).

Yeah, it's ultimately Valve's decision but they have created a policy of "everything goes except if it's illegal or obvious trolling" so later they can't be selective as that would be unfair for the developers. Either they need to be more transparent and make their policy more specific like "Depiction of sexual violence is not allowed" or they can simply stop trying to cater to the SJWs. This isn't just about free speech but also about Valve's inconsistency with their policy.

Sure. I wouldn't say that as a company, as I know, if the preasure is high enough most of the companies around the globe would drop their stand. Obivous if the other partie a small. Different outcomes possible if it's not this case....

I wouldn't believe if a company make such a statement. It is for every one a consideration of intrests. Sure, their failure - and not only Steams - is that they had said previous statement and now act in opposite to it.

On top of that, their standard supports artistic creativity which is protected by free speech which is the reason people are pointing it out it isn't only the one or the other, it's both topics at discussion. The censorship is specifically about artistic creativity in fiction and people who advocate for censorship are contradicting themselves if they say they do support free speech. Most of the countries don't have freedom of speech and to my knowledge, I think only the USA has it as some countries have made hate speech a thing which is a direct contradiction to free speech but what does other countries having different rules got to do with free speech?

I think most of the European countries have a rule of free speech, most certained not as wide covered as it is in the USA. And I think even in the USA you can't say everything. I assume, if I say something that is covered by top secret classification then I would have my ass arrested.

You know legality does not equal morality right?

Yes. But the legal aspect is better documented and more define than the moral aspect of it. Moral aspect differs between every person even if it only a slight different opinion for the same matter. Legal aspect it's only around 200 complete different aspect around the world (I exclude the difference some countries have within their borders).

Also individual aspect are very difficulty and hard to approach. I, you or every other one can bring the best arguments before the other partie and take the others partie arguments apart. At the end he can choice to ignore this and believe see the things as he want, nothing can change this.

 

[The-Tactician]

That's the Tu quoque fallacy. Yeah, it's ultimately Valve's decision but they have created a policy of "everything goes except if it's illegal or obvious trolling" so later they can't be selective as that would be unfair for the developers. Either they need to be more transparent and make their policy more specific like "Depiction of sexual violence is not allowed" or they can simply stop trying to cater to the SJWs. This isn't just about free speech but also about Valve's inconsistency with their policy. On top of that, their standard supports artistic creativity which is protected by free speech which is the reason people are pointing it out it isn't only the one or the other, it's both topics at discussion. The censorship is specifically about artistic creativity in fiction and people who advocate for censorship are contradicting themselves if they say they do support free speech. Most of the countries don't have freedom of speech and to my knowledge, I think only the USA has it as some countries have made hate speech a thing which is a direct contradiction to free speech but what does other countries having different rules got to do with free speech? You know legality does not equal morality right?

You might as well give up. 2.5 pages in and nobody supporting censorship has acknowledged it was censorship and how this contradicts Valve's own policy(they said so themselves in their blogpost).

As the old adage goes: "You can't reason a man out of a position he didn't reason himself into."

 

[c3p0]

You might as well give up. 2.5 pages in and nobody supporting censorship has acknowledged it was censorship and how this contradicts Valve's own policy(they said so themselves in their blogpost).

As the old adage goes: "You can't reason a man out of a position he didn't reason himself into."

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