Rape Day?

[GuyFreely]

I think there is a line between censorship and profitability. I don't think anyone at Valve is a champion of freedom of artistic expression. They are a champion of making money, which is fair enough. The problem is when they start making statements about allowing adult content and then they cave at the first sign of pressure, as many of us expected. I have no illusion that Valve wanted to be more liberal, they saw a market that they hadn't yet dug their claws into and wanted to exploit it. The problem is, they wanted dating sims with nudity and they got Rape Day. While I think it is a bit of a sign post of what Steam won't tolerate, it's not a great example for the community. I think it would be more telling if a different game was in the crossfire. Something less overtly offensive. Take any game from the top 10 here on F95. I would be much more interested if the debate was over one of those games. So, much like I don't care if Active Shooter is on Steam, I'm not that concerned about Rape Day. I have to imagine if Rape Day had come out and been able to sell 100k copies before being the center of controversy, Valve might have been a little slower on the trigger. Let's not kid ourselves, Valve loses almost nothing by not selling it. They weighed the potential gains versus the potential losses and pulled the plug, simple. Is it a good reason to pull it? No, but it's an understandable reason.

 

[Ataios]

I agree. Economically Valve had no reason to tolerate Rape Day. Though I think most of the games available here would draw at least some controversy. While few features physical violence, many feature coercion of some sort in addition to incest. While a game where you blackmail your mother into sexual submission may not cause the same outrage as Rape Day, it would still attract far more controversy than money.

 

[Wol]

I agree. Economically Valve had no reason to tolerate Rape Day. Though I think most of the games available here would draw at least some controversy. While few features physical violence, many feature coercion of some sort in addition to incest. While a game where you blackmail your mother into sexual submission may not cause the same outrage as Rape Day, it would still attract far more controversy than money.

True, but those games also tend to not call themselves "Rape Day" nor do they proudly trumpet having a sociopathic protagonist who can rape and murder with impunity in the game's summary.

 

[GuyFreely]

Yeah, I'd be more interested to see if they'd keep something like Dating My Daughter. Basically, it's an incest coaching simulator. The daughter's age is questionable mostly based on the lack of maturity she has at many stages. Still, it's not called "Raping My Daughter" or even "Fucking My Daughter." So people would have to dig a little deeper than the title to know what it's about. Fundamentally, I could see a lot of people taking issue with the game if they fully understood the plot. So this would be a more interesting test of Valve's promises to me.

 

[SeventhVixen]

As far as it goes, without being it writen down as a law by anyone, Incest is permited in Steam because Region locks/bans. When I were to release my game i'll see exactly how it works... But it seems that you/someone just autoban/lock a game that has a ilegal feature in a country from selling in that country, and the game is ok to sell in other countries (So, in the end, let's say incest is permitted).

Minors is another thing. Even if different countries have different legal ages where depiction of sex etc can be shown, less than 18 years old sex is more of a mainstream thing that is just global banned if found by steam, and I'm just nearly fine with that (I prefer Steam being itchy about something that just don't allowing any NSFW on the platform). I guess if a game clearly states that for example, the main character has 20 years, and the boy just look old (so there's no doubt that is not a child), it could just region lock the game out sex below 21 years if there is that case.

I said this because remember that Incest is a No on Patreon because Paypal, not because is globally seen as a No; Paypal hasn't that power of pressure on Steam.

But, even Incest being "legal" on Steam, a game titled Dating my daugther (instead of Awaking Depraved... (Sorry I don't know the name right now), featuring a young petite infantile looking girl, could rise lots of SJW eyebrows calling for war (if they found out, of course).

He have to remember that moral outcry is most of the time just about looks, not the real content of games.


Anyway in my case, I just want to release my "NSFW nothing too edgy going on besides from hard explicit sex between consenting adults Inside a deep story not based around sex" on Steam and have no problem with anyone.

 

[GuyFreely]

My only point is that Rape Day doesn't seem like a nuanced VN. I think a game that's more in the grey area than Rape Day would be a better indicator of what Steam will tolerate. At some point, they may have to get very specific on what they will allow even though they seem to be trying to avoid it.

 

[Wol]

My only point is that Rape Day doesn't seem like a nuanced VN. I think a game that's more in the grey area than Rape Day would be a better indicator of what Steam will tolerate. At some point, they may have to get very specific on what they will allow even though they seem to be trying to avoid it.

Personally I think they already have shown what is not allowed, even if it's not stated directly, 1) The game Violates their TOS, 2) It's getting bad press, or 3) The dev is a freaking idiot who tries something like say, sueing steam to get the personal data on users who gave them bad reviews so they can then sue said users.

 

[Nullx54]

These games shouldn't be mainstream. Here's the problem; they are too extreme even for in times where things are less "progessive" Keeping them here on F95zone is a better alternative.

 

[Ataios]

I think a dad-daughter game would produce similar or worse controversy as a mom-son game. Only bad news is good news and the media wouldn't pass a chance to shock their audience with news about the pedo-game, even if the daughter's age is not clearly defined. Selling outrage about such games is by far better business than selling the games themselves. Rape is the ultimate taboo, as far as games go, but incest is still taboo enough to shock people.

 

[gamersglory]

I think a dad-daughter game would produce similar or worse controversy as a mom-son game. Only bad news is good news and the media wouldn't pass a chance to shock their audience with news about the pedo-game, even if the daughter's age is not clearly defined. Selling outrage about such games is by far better business than selling the games themselves. Rape is the ultimate taboo, as far as games go, but incest is still taboo enough to shock people.

To me, I believe the ban on the game was more do to with the Trolling aspect of how bad it was and how the dev was clearly trying to get controversy on it in hopes of making a quick buck. He was not trying to make a game with any serious effort put forth and highly doubt he will work to improve his game or quality. If he would have released it quietly and not made waves about it then he would more then likely still be on Steam. He knew what he was doing and it was basically a marketing campaign designed to get peoples money and be able to market the game as "The game banned from Steam" and almost everyone fell for it. bravo

 

[Drakan47]

When steam said the only stuff they wouldn't allow was "illegal or straight up trolling" some people called bullshit because there was no clear definition of what "straight up trolling" actually means, and they were of course right about that... but then along came this thing.

Let's not kid ourselves here, we all know what was going on, EVERYTHING in rape day's store page was exclusively meant to taunt, it wasn't trying to sell itself at all, it was JUST trying to get a reaction, that's the exact definition of trolling, the only way to get banned with the terms steam gave back then (regardless of whether they were honest about them) was to go out of your way to ask for it, and that's exactly what this guy did.

EDIT:

(...)most of the games available here would draw at least some controversy. While few features physical violence, many feature coercion of some sort (...)

Well, lulu farea is on steam no problem, and it's progression mechanic is basically "fight the girl to incapacitate her and then rape her"

 

[gamersglory]

As far as it goes, without being it writen down as a law by anyone, Incest is permited in Steam because Region locks/bans. When I were to release my game i'll see exactly how it works... But it seems that you/someone just autoban/lock a game that has a ilegal feature in a country from selling in that country, and the game is ok to sell in other countries (So, in the end, let's say incest is permitted).

Minors is another thing. Even if different countries have different legal ages where depiction of sex etc can be shown, less than 18 years old sex is more of a mainstream thing that is just global banned if found by steam, and I'm just nearly fine with that (I prefer Steam being itchy about something that just don't allowing any NSFW on the platform). I guess if a game clearly states that for example, the main character has 20 years, and the boy just look old (so there's no doubt that is not a child), it could just region lock the game out sex below 21 years if there is that case.

I said this because remember that Incest is a No on Patreon because Paypal, not because is globally seen as a No; Paypal hasn't that power of pressure on Steam.

But, even Incest being "legal" on Steam, a game titled Dating my daugther (instead of Awaking Depraved... (Sorry I don't know the name right now), featuring a young petite infantile looking girl, could rise lots of SJW eyebrows calling for war (if they found out, of course).

He have to remember that moral outcry is most of the time just about looks, not the real content of games.


Anyway in my case, I just want to release my "NSFW nothing too edgy going on besides from hard explicit sex between consenting adults Inside a deep story not based around sex" on Steam and have no problem with anyone.

The pressure on Paypal was Mastercard and Visa as they forbid in their terms of service Incest, Rape and Bestiality. Now Mastercard and Visa could go back and refine there ban to be specific to Real Acts but their definition of the content is a general ban with no provisions to works of fiction

 

[RedAISkye]

Yeah, I'd be more interested to see if they'd keep something like Dating My Daughter. Basically, it's an incest coaching simulator. The daughter's age is questionable mostly based on the lack of maturity she has at many stages. Still, it's not called "Raping My Daughter" or even "Fucking My Daughter." So people would have to dig a little deeper than the title to know what it's about. Fundamentally, I could see a lot of people taking issue with the game if they fully understood the plot. So this would be a more interesting test of Valve's promises to me.

Snow Daze - The Music of Winter is an Incest and Corruption adult visual novel Renpy game that already exists in Steam so I don't think so.

 

[GuyFreely]

Snow Daze - The Music of Winter is an Incest and Corruption adult visual novel Renpy game that already exists in Steam so I don't think so.

So just give your game a vague title and you are golden.

 

[RedAISkye]

So just give your game a vague title and you are golden.

Not really, the title makes sense if you look into its story.

 

[GuyFreely]

Not really, the title makes sense if you look into its story.

A Song of Ice and Fire makes sense too, but it's still vague. It doesn't mean anything on its own. If the VN was called Incest Daze, people might raise an eyebrow.

 

[Daxter250]

people who are surprised and disgusted about the content (meaning rape as a kink) of this bs game are still reading playboy only to get off -_-.

seriously, i doubt most critics even know the surface of all porn games that are already available. and i bet some of those criticizers who are pointing with their finger while saying perverts, secretly have a gagball in their mouth while a girl rides 'em hard with a whip in her hand.

the only surprising thing here, is, that reporters rather talk about the rape content than about the fact that you can also kill babies in that game. THIS is the actual disturbing thing in my opinion.

for rape content i suggest everyone to just play black lilith games ^^

 

[RedAISkye]

A Song of Ice and Fire makes sense too, but it's still vague. It doesn't mean anything on its own. If the VN was called Incest Daze, people might raise an eyebrow.

I'm talking about Steam, they probably wouldn't have a problem even if the title said Incest. If there was not an outcry then Steam wouldn't even bat an eye on Rape Day and Incest isn't as much controversial as Rape.

 

[GuyFreely]

I'm talking about Steam, they probably wouldn't have a problem even if the title said Incest. If there was not an outcry then Steam wouldn't even bat an eye on Rape Day and Incest isn't as much controversial as Rape.

Time will tell.

 

[Bryon Smothers]

The renders in this game are just so bad quilty wise. The story was so so it needs a lot refinement. Also, the game is super shot like not even an hour gameplay. on another note who uses 720 images, 1080 is the standard. Most of my renders are 4k unless someone requests a 1080 image. The whole thing about it having rape and murder is nothing. I have played far worse japanese games. Not in quilty but in shock horror rape adult games.