VN Ren'Py Ravager [v5.2.3] [4MinuteWarning]

[Lareit]

I'm fairly confident Issa is working for Dragon's best interest. The problem is I think it's the wrong dragon.

I hypothesize that Issa is working on something that will return his Dragon, whose fate is ambiguous.
He wants to spare humans, so that when his dragon returns it returns to a prosperous kingdom.
He wants us to not create more Kobolds, so that when his dragon returns the green kobolds have no competiton
He wants us to trust him, under the pretense he can't betray us, so that he can reveal that his loyalty is to his dragon before us(this last one is more a narrative writing trope clue)

There might be evidence in the Mine path that reduces/removes this possiblity. I haven't the heart to sacrifice Heloise so I've never explored that path.

But that is my current theory.


I also love Deerie-Anne and thought she looked fantastic and do not understand where all the criticisms come from. Even as I mourn her original character.

 

[TowerEpik]

I'm fairly confident Issa is working for Dragon's best interest. The problem is I think it's the wrong dragon.

I hypothesize that Issa is working on something that will return his Dragon, whose fate is ambiguous.
He wants to spare humans, so that when his dragon returns it returns to a prosperous kingdom.
He wants us to not create more Kobolds, so that when his dragon returns the green kobolds have no competiton
He wants us to trust him, under the pretense he can't betray us, so that he can reveal that his loyalty is to his dragon before us(this last one is more a narrative writing trope clue)

There might be evidence in the Mine path that reduces/removes this possiblity. I haven't the heart to sacrifice Heloise so I've never explored that path.

But that is my current theory.


I also love Deerie-Anne and thought she looked fantastic and do not understand where all the criticisms come from. Even as I mourn her original character.

You really can't imagine why people don't share that fetish? You're a dragon and she's a deer, at this point it's like jacking it while watching the discovery channel. It's all up to personal preference of course, but it's not nice when those preferences get shoved onto your plate. Imagine if instead of a deer she was some kind of rotting corpse, some people are into that but you can't assume everyone is.

 

[ChubbyFatBoy]

What do you mean "no warning"? That "boy turning into a bird" event has been there for actual years at this point.

That throne room scene? That's not a warning though. The choice to have Malice or not has already long been made and over with before you even get to see it. A warning would've been along with the end is nigh. You will see mutated fuck shit. Granted I do find myself curious if this was always their direction. Or did it come later on. I originally thought it was fire and brimstone raining from the heavens, full on Armageddon type shit.

I also love Deerie-Anne and thought she looked fantastic and do not understand where all the criticisms come from. Even as I mourn her original character.

Because people aren't you and don't necessarily share your taste? Like what's hard to understand? I was apprehensive to it myself. But it ain't like it's enough to turn me off the game. Plus the internet has completely fucked up my taste in... "women" until the end of time. So I'll get used to it and whatever other fuckery they decide to make.

But the way some of y'all are confused on why others might not like it is weird.

 

[TowerEpik]

That throne room scene? That's not a warning though. The choice to have Malice or not has already long been made and over with before you even get to see it. A warning would've been along with the end is nigh. You will see mutated fuck shit. Granted I do find myself curious if this was always their direction. Or did it come later on. I originally thought it was fire and brimstone raining from the heavens, full on Armageddon type shit.



Because people aren't you and don't necessarily share your taste? Like what's hard to understand? I was apprehensive to it myself. But it ain't like it's enough to turn me off the game. Plus the internet has completely fucked up my taste in... "women" until the end of time. So I'll get used to it and whatever other fuckery they decide to make.

But the way some of y'all are confused on why others might not like it is weird.

Even with a warning, it really sucks because you can't have Malice without all of that happening because you can be totally into her without being into all of that happens around her.
EDIT: not just Malice but Heloise too which is really sweet at least from what I have experienced.

 

[Lareit]

You really can't imagine why people don't share that fetish? You're a dragon and she's a deer, at this point it's like jacking it while watching the discovery channel. It's all up to personal preference of course, but it's not nice when those preferences get shoved onto your plate. Imagine if instead of a deer she was some kind of rotting corpse, some people are into that but you can't assume everyone is.

I don't have that fetish. I liked it from a narrative perspective. I play this game for the plot, unironically. For the record, there are plenty of vanilla relationships so including more fetishes is a positive thing for the most part.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

A warning would've been along with the end is nigh.

But it was. Literally every character that had dialogue about Cataclysm, was talking about dragon dooming everyone, and/or bringing the end of the world.
But of course players collectively ignored all the warnings, handwawing them away for one reason or another.
And now the playerbase became that "surprised pikachu face" meme manifest.

 

[TowerEpik]

I don't have that fetish. I liked it from a narrative perspective. I play this game for the plot, unironically. For the record, there are plenty of vanilla relationships so including more fetishes is a positive thing for the most part.

Narrative perspective?! Let's slow down a bit, you have your waifu over here, you like her character, you have grown attached to her, you want to make babies, yada yada. Now your waifu got turned into a fucking animal and you just go "huh thats pretty cool"? I have no idea what's your reasoning.
Also this game is as non-vanilla as it gets, I really have no idea what you mean there. Every relationship you have with someone is messed up in some shape or form.

But it was. Literally every character that had dialogue about Cataclysm, was talking about dragon dooming everyone, and/or bringing the end of the world.
But of course players collectively ignored all the warnings, handwawing them away for one reason or another.
And now the playerbase became that "surprised pikachu face" meme manifest.

Yeah because when you think of apocalypse, the first thing that comes to mind is people being turned into furries. Not gates of hell opening or some kind of cosmic invasion, just more advanced bestiality. I personally can't wait until we get to the stage of the end times where everyone gets turned into turds, along with cats and dogs learning to live together in peace.

 

[ChubbyFatBoy]

But it was. Literally every character that had dialogue about Cataclysm, was talking about dragon dooming everyone, and/or bringing the end of the world.
But of course players collectively ignored all the warnings, handwawing them away for one reason or another.
And now the playerbase became that "surprised pikachu face" meme manifest.

You missed the keywords and ignored the following sentence.

A warning would've been along with the end is nigh. You will see mutated fuck shit.

That's what the topic of what you originally quoted, was talking about. The transformation and a lack of warning about it.

 

[hexkitty01]

Indeed - some of them are simply to sweet to say "no". That said though, one should beware their... extras. After all, there is...

LOLZ. So glad I went to ScrewCube and listened to that!

 

[Lareit]

Narrative perspective?! Let's slow down a bit, you have your waifu over here, you like her character, you have grown attached to her, you want to make babies, yada yada. Now your waifu got turned into a fucking animal and you just go "huh thats pretty cool"? I have no idea what's your reasoning.
Also this game is as non-vanilla as it gets, I really have no idea what you mean there. Every relationship you have with someone is messed up in some shape or form.


Yeah because when you think of apocalypse, the first thing that comes to mind is people being turned into furries. Not gates of hell opening or some kind of cosmic invasion, just more advanced bestiality. I personally can't wait until we get to the stage of the end times where everyone gets turned into turds, along with cats and dogs learning to live together in peace.

Yes, thats the reasoning. They went with the narrative interesting path of having the Cataclysm directly affect characters we interact with. It isn't just relegated to NPCs or There Over Yonder events. It's also not something that is set in stone. Don't want Deerie-Anne, don't have Malice. It's not as if this is a required story state. She will almost certainly not be the only casualty of the Cataclysm amongst the Harem. I'm almost 100% Certain Darja is turning into a Dragon Princess due to her abnormally long pregnancy so Darja fans out to brace for her next.

 

[ChubbyFatBoy]

Even with a warning, it really sucks because you can't have Malice without all of that happening because you can be totally into her without being into all of that happens around her.
EDIT: not just Malice but Heloise too which is really sweet at least from what I have experienced.

If I'm being completely honest. The only reason I even went for and knew about Malice. Is because I saw a comment somewhere. Talking about how adorable, cute, or sweet she was. Something along those lines. So I unfortunately thought that hey. That type of talk usually stems from something wholesome. We must get some tender moments with out little one!.... welp, we know how that went. I mean I get it. We a dragon, all razing, pillaging, raping, etc. We have quick moments with her here and there.

But really? We couldn't properly cuddle our world ending, mythical danger noodle? We did have the rather tender (completely unexpected) moments with Heloise. So that was nice at least and appreciated. But no proper family time??? I get the type of game it is but come on! I'm sure very few would've minded. Hell, I bet a lot would've liked it.

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[Thedude715]

I'm fairly confident Issa is working for Dragon's best interest. The problem is I think it's the wrong dragon.

I hypothesize that Issa is working on something that will return his Dragon, whose fate is ambiguous.
He wants to spare humans, so that when his dragon returns it returns to a prosperous kingdom.
He wants us to not create more Kobolds, so that when his dragon returns the green kobolds have no competiton
He wants us to trust him, under the pretense he can't betray us, so that he can reveal that his loyalty is to his dragon before us(this last one is more a narrative writing trope clue)

There might be evidence in the Mine path that reduces/removes this possiblity. I haven't the heart to sacrifice Heloise so I've never explored that path.

But that is my current theory.


I also love Deerie-Anne and thought she looked fantastic and do not understand where all the criticisms come from. Even as I mourn her original character.

Lmao look not to judge whatever you are into but you dont understand why the majority of people are not into the fact that one of the girls turns into a wierd deer thing???

 

[YouShallNotLol]

Yeah because when you think of apocalypse, the first thing that comes to mind is people being turned into furries. Not gates of hell opening or some kind of cosmic invasion, just more advanced bestiality. I personally can't wait until we get to the stage of the end times where everyone gets turned into turds, along with cats and dogs learning to live together in peace.

You missed the keywords and ignored the following sentence.
That's what the topic of what you originally quoted, was talking about. The transformation and a lack of warning about it.

You both are obnoxiously wrong and so confident at the same time.
I repeat, from the very beginning characters were straight up telling you that there were strange monsters and reality breaking phenomena during the last cataclysm. No-one was saying typical shit like "Oh Nyo~ the demons are gonna invade and kill everyone!".
Everything was warning about strange fucky-wacky stuff happening to reality and even stranger monsters appearing into existence.
And that Bird Boy event was easily the loudest, in your face even, bit of "foreshadowing" (if you can even call it that) we could have ever got.

But you two just keep dismissing it all, and behave like I'm the crazy one for making a connection between "During the last cataclysm there were strange creatures" and "Help! My boy is turning into a bird!".

 

[YouShallNotLol]

If I'm being completely honest. The only reason I even went for and knew about Malice. Is because I saw a comment somewhere. Talking about how adorable, cute, or sweet she was. Something along those lines. So I unfortunately thought that hey. That type of talk usually stems from something wholesome. We must get some tender moments with out little one!.... welp, we know how that went. I mean I get it. We a dragon, all razing, pillaging, raping, etc. We have quick moments with her here and there.

But really? We couldn't properly cuddle our world ending, mythical danger noodle? We did have the rather tender (completely unexpected) moments with Heloise. So that was nice at least and appreciated. But no proper family time??? I get the type of game it is but come on! I'm sure very few would've minded. Hell, I bet a lot would've liked it.

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Well, that's kinda your fault for believing random commenters on a forum. And kinda their fault too, for making misleading comments about Malice's content.
Most "wholesome" moments come from Heloise trying to be a proper mother. But Malice's own content was never wholesome, she was a world-ending fuck machine from the start.

 

[Thedude715]

So I just finished "speedrunning" through the game a second time with liberal use of the skip key.
The conversations with the infernals where interesting but waaaaay less dialogue and content then malagar had, it also did not really lead to much other then Adeline stabbed the mc somehow? To turn them into a dragon? As part of a ritual?

Same when you confront Adeline with what you learned from the infernals, you are not really allowed to ask specifics even with the scant info you have learned.
Honestly pretty dissapointing was hoping to learn some more plot info there, also built the torture chamber this time and had the "body pillow" consort. Pretty brutal stuff.... But her dialogue was pretty funny as I just kept petting her head when she cursed me over and over.

Dont think I will try the last lair it seems to be about eldritch stuff and tentacles nooo thank you.

 

[ChubbyFatBoy]

You both are obnoxiously wrong and so confident at the same time.
I repeat, from the very beginning characters were straight up telling you that there were strange monsters and reality breaking phenomena during the last cataclysm. No-one was saying typical shit like "Oh Nyo~ the demons are gonna invade and kill everyone!".
Everything was warning about strange fucky-wacky stuff happening to reality and even stranger monsters appearing into existence.
And that Bird Boy event was easily the loudest, in your face even, bit of "foreshadowing" (if you can even call it that) we could have ever got.

But you two just keep dismissing it all, and behave like I'm the crazy one for making a connection between "During the last cataclysm there were strange creatures" and "Help! My boy is turning into a bird!".

Says the dude who likes to half-assed quote people to attempt a point. You made a dumbass comment, by using an event that came long AFTER making the choice to have Malice or not. And saying that was an example of what was to come. That's not wrong, simply a fact. You half-assed quoted what I said. To which I corrected you. No idea why you get mad because I pointed it out. Again, not wrong.

And last but not least. Saying mysterious and strange creatures showed up and reality getting weird. Does not in anyway, shape, or form. Say hey we're going to start SCP'n folks. I mean it's not like the idea of this game is unique. Where reality getting funky and opening pathways to other things where creatures pour out or some.... oh wait. Well I mean it's not like this game has a whole ass cthulu like temple that could also explain the.... oh wait. Well it's a good thing we had a detailed account of what actually happened during the last cata... oh wait.

Huh would you look at that. Seems like it could've been other things. But sure bruh, go off.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

Says the dude who likes to half-assed quote people to attempt a point. You made a dumbass comment, by using an event that came long AFTER making the choice to have Malice or not. And saying that was an example of what was to come. That's not wrong, simply a fact. You half-assed quoted what I said. To which I corrected you. No idea why you get mad because I pointed it out. Again, not wrong.

And last but not least. Saying mysterious and strange creatures showed up and reality getting weird. Does not in anyway, shape, or form. Say hey we're going to start SCP'n folks. I mean it's not like the idea of this game is unique. Where reality getting funky and opening pathways to other things where creatures pour out or some.... oh wait. Well I mean it's not like this game has a whole ass cthulu like temple that could also explain the.... oh wait. Well it's a good thing we had a detailed account of what actually happened during the last cata... oh wait.

Huh would you look at that. Seems like it could've been other things. But sure bruh, go off.

Go learn reading comprehension or something, because you clearly do not comprehend what I'm saying.
I'm done with you. Adios.

 

[ChubbyFatBoy]

Go learn reading comprehension or something, because you clearly do not comprehend what I'm saying.
I'm done with you. Adios.
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Ah yes, it's everyone else and not you. But oh no... a true loss to my world and this thread. Allow me to play my small violin as you depart.

 

[TowerEpik]

Yes, thats the reasoning. They went with the narrative interesting path of having the Cataclysm directly affect characters we interact with. It isn't just relegated to NPCs or There Over Yonder events. It's also not something that is set in stone. Don't want Deerie-Anne, don't have Malice. It's not as if this is a required story state. She will almost certainly not be the only casualty of the Cataclysm amongst the Harem. I'm almost 100% Certain Darja is turning into a Dragon Princess due to her abnormally long pregnancy so Darja fans out to brace for her next.

You do realize the cataclysm could have affected the characters a variety of ways and they went with the path that turns one of your beloved into a goofy ass deer without any input from you? I am not saying there should be no cataclysm, just that the cataclysm that we got is gross, which is set in stone IF you want Malice and Heloise. It's a fantasy game, there is no reason that these things are mutually exclusive other than its artificially written that way. Having consequences alone doesn't make the narrative good, it has to mean something, and right now all it does is rope you along with a fetish that people didn't ask for. What's wrong with having more options and paths to solve an issue instead of just being stuck with it?

You both are obnoxiously wrong and so confident at the same time.
I repeat, from the very beginning characters were straight up telling you that there were strange monsters and reality breaking phenomena during the last cataclysm. No-one was saying typical shit like "Oh Nyo~ the demons are gonna invade and kill everyone!".
Everything was warning about strange fucky-wacky stuff happening to reality and even stranger monsters appearing into existence.
And that Bird Boy event was easily the loudest, in your face even, bit of "foreshadowing" (if you can even call it that) we could have ever got.

But you two just keep dismissing it all, and behave like I'm the crazy one for making a connection between "During the last cataclysm there were strange creatures" and "Help! My boy is turning into a bird!".

It is only obnoxious to you, because you don't actually listen to what we have to say. You simply see that we don't like the cataclysm, you go "well chuckefucks shouldnt have bred the apocalypse" when our argument is "couldn't you have made the apocalypse look a bit different so we DIDN'T have to end up with this shit?". And then something gets stuck in the gears inside your brain and you goto step 0.

 

[TowerEpik]

So I just finished "speedrunning" through the game a second time with liberal use of the skip key.
The conversations with the infernals where interesting but waaaaay less dialogue and content then malagar had, it also did not really lead to much other then Adeline stabbed the mc somehow? To turn them into a dragon? As part of a ritual?

Same when you confront Adeline with what you learned from the infernals, you are not really allowed to ask specifics even with the scant info you have learned.
Honestly pretty dissapointing was hoping to learn some more plot info there, also built the torture chamber this time and had the "body pillow" consort. Pretty brutal stuff.... But her dialogue was pretty funny as I just kept petting her head when she cursed me over and over.

Dont think I will try the last lair it seems to be about eldritch stuff and tentacles nooo thank you.

It's actually an interesting lair, you don't really have to engage with any tentacle or spooky alien content that you don't like. There is like one dream you get where you have an option to boink Mother and that's it unless you sacrifice more people to her. I like the interactions it has with Malice, because it seems Mother is somehow connected to her, there are events when Malice is growing up where she talks with Mother and its really weird, I won't spoil in case you want to see it for yourself.