VN Ren'Py Ravager [v5.3.1] [4MinuteWarning]

[Lareit]

The game is about being a dragon, you rape whoever you like, you conquer, you establish your will with violence. This is literally like the hook of the entire game. Hell, even one of the difficulty settings is "Power Fantasy".

Yet even in the Power Fantasy you are denied the opportunity to couple with the Maid/Adeline in the beginning. Will die if you stay and fight the guards and fail to defeat Sabetha and Inej if you attack them. So again, where in the narrative did the game tell you the story will do everything you want?

That's a strawman. It's not about "changing the narrative", people just want more options.

It's not a strawman. We are simply arguing different points of merit and failing to agree.

Sure, the problem is "what happens" wasn't good. It didn't have to turn out this way at all, but it did and you can't do anything about it once you get to that point.


It's not a harem game...but it's a harem game? Listen to yourself, this is absurd. Game has a wide appeal, just look at the tags, you can't just take your perspective on it and shove it into everyone else's face. People have different tastes and its really rude to force some of them onto those that didn't ask for it.

Well lets just throw that argument right back at you. People have different tastes and it's really rude to force some of them onto those who didn't ask for it.
Don't like Deer Marie Anne? Don't engage with it. Don't deny those who do the ability to.

and yes it's the only Dragon Harem game I am aware of, so it gets to have it's own set of rules and stipulations without having to fall into the trap all the others have.

 

[TowerEpik]

Yet even in the Power Fantasy you are denied the opportunity to couple with the Maid/Adeline in the beginning. Will die if you stay and fight the guards and fail to defeat Sabetha and Inej if you attack them. So again, where in the narrative did the game tell you the story will do everything you want?

This is not entirely correct, in Power Fantasy you have to go out of your way to get killed, it's not something that happens by accident, you essentially die on purpose.

It's not a strawman. We are simply arguing different points of merit and failing to agree.

It is a strawman because you misrepresent what is actually being asked of here. This isn't a book, there is no one set path, just many branches and when playing you tailor your experience to that. It's about having more choices, more control, over your story, not changing it.

Well lets just throw that argument right back at you. People have different tastes and it's really rude to force some of them onto those who didn't ask for it.
Don't like Deer Marie Anne? Don't engage with it. Don't deny those who do the ability to.

You literally cannot. Do you think people chose "yeah turn her into a deer" just to get mad on purpose? Only way to prevent this is to not have Malice, but what if you want Malice but don't want all this crazy shit happening? You have no such option.

and yes it's the only Dragon Harem game I am aware of, so it gets to have it's own set of rules and stipulations without having to fall into the trap all the others have.

What's a dragon got to do with whether its a harem or not? It makes no fucking difference! It's still a harem game about boinking people! I don't think you understand what genres and tropes are, they aren't "traps", they are the mechanism by which the story is structured around, and having your love interests get transformed against your will runs contrary to the core appeal of the game.

 

[jahall]

You know you can have multiple saves right? i have had like 30 saves testing out different routes before. it's just a lot of work.

Indeed, but the poster I was replying to asked for "a full save", and I doubt that they would want to be offered 30 - or even 3 - different saves. From their request it sounded like they didn't understand the nature of the game. They may have assumed that, because it's made in Renpy, that it's a VN with essentially one path, whereas it's actually a true game.

 

[Lareit]

This is not entirely correct, in Power Fantasy you have to go out of your way to get killed, it's not something that happens by accident, you essentially die on purpose.

But it can happen. So much for Power Fantasy by the logic you presented earlier.

It is a strawman because you misrepresent what is actually being asked of here. This isn't a book, there is no one set path, just many branches and when playing you tailor your experience to that. It's about having more choices, more control, over your story, not changing it.

Even in a choose your adventure book or opened ended game there is a very finite limit to the options presented. Those options are limited by what the creator put in place. I used books and writer as the example as it's the most direct comparison to a Visual Novel but that fact does not change regardless the form of Media chosen. The Creator chooses the story path(s) and the audience engages it, limited by what was put before them.

You literally cannot. Do you think people chose "yeah turn her into a deer" just to get mad on purpose? Only way to prevent this is to not have Malice, but what if you want Malice but don't want all this crazy shit happening? You have no such option.

I agree. If Malcie or Heliose is your favorite character then Deerie-Anne is an unfortunate casualty. It's not any different then missing Malygar Content because you choose Sunken Temple. It's a narrative choice by the creators. It's not a case of being unable to understand why people don't want their waifu to turn into a form no longer attractive. It's a case of not being able to understand why people want a plot so predictable and boring.

What's a dragon got to do with whether its a harem or not? It makes no fucking difference! It's still a harem game about boinking people! I don't think you understand what genres and tropes are, they aren't "traps", they are the mechanism by which the story is structured around, and having your love interests get transformed against your will runs contrary to the core appeal of the game.

Because a Dragon changes the power structure and relationship structure heavily. In a way even King/Emperor style Harems can not do. A Dragon does not have the same kind of relationship expectations with a Harem.

So yes, it is a meaningful distinction.

 

[hexkitty01]

i guess no matter what we do the 2 rogue girls gets away right? if thats the case i hope the dev in the future lets us capture them and keep them for good sometime down the road? View attachment 4280347

Huh? No... they escape if you push them too hard (any dialogue option with "Strength" or "charm" after it), otherwise they're with you for life... and inej's dragon-cat babies are kinda cute.

 

[Nobles]

Do we actually know what Issa is up too? It seems in the scene he has with Valzira he wants the naga to be born?
He hates kobolds and seems sad/annoyed if you respond that you want to make Adeline your queen and make more dragons.

But at the same time there is that scene where he goes all yandere on Naho, and I cant find any angle there that he is plotting something against us somehow. only wanting to "put her in her place" for daring to try to attack us.

Yeah, its why I asked a few posts earlier.. My instincts are telling me to kill him. The way he acts, the things hes been scurrying around behind everyone's backs. The way he talks to Valria like she be a useful tool for him. But if he has a storyline and most of his actions are a misconception or mabye hes just bad at it or prone with mistakes. I would rather see it play out. Im not really sure how we even go so close to begin with.. as far as I was aware, he was just another Kobold that looked diferent because he was engineered. I didnt even know he was classed as a captive like your other girls ?

Well, Malice is kind of just like you. You're a big rapey dragon, she's a big rapey snake.

I remember in the dream. She mentions she got her body and looks from her mother, but her strength, personality and motives/dires were from her daddy. So I did expect she be alot like you ? a daddies girl :3

 

[leafus]

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Truly a blessed era in the Ravager thread! And another proof that Malice is the best girl - it is her doin, after all. :3


To be perfectly honest all the warnings were vague AF. Nowhere did no one say that Malice and her Cataclysm will have waifu deerification consequences. Its like telling some goof to not hang around that weird stone cause its a bad one.

The weird stone in question? The Elephant Foot.

Probably should have told your buddy about the dangers of radiation poisoning instead of: "STONE BAD! STONE DANGER!". Before he started convulsing and his hair fell off.

It doesn't help that you basically HAD to bang an elf for years if you wanted new content. You lose SO MUCH by not fucking an elf. In fact you lose like THREE love interests worth of content if you DON'T fuck an elf.
Also the game at times just straight up tells you "NO" to things for no real reason. Best example is the guy who tells you you can't make a law saying you have multiple wives, despite the fact you are a totalitarian dictator dragon. Change our religion, make us slaves, let wolfmen rape us, cripple us with taxes. TWO wives though? Absolutely horrendous I will die on the spot for this.

 

[Thedude715]

Yeah, its why I asked a few posts earlier.. My instincts are telling me to kill him. The way he acts, the things hes been scurring around behind everyone's backs. The way he talks to Valria like she be a useful too for him. But if he has a storyline and most of his actions are a misconception or mabye hes just bad at it or prone with mistakes. I would rather see it play out. Im not really sure how we even go so close to begin with.. as far as I was aware, he was just another Kobold that looked diferent because he was engineered. I didnt even know he was classed as a captive like your other girls ?


I remember in the dream. She mentions she got her body and looks from her mother, but her strength, personality and motives/dires were from her daddy. So I did expect she be alot like you ? a daddies girl :3

Pretty much mainly him just being way smarter then a normal kobold yeah, also looks (if we are looking out of game he is there to satisfy the niche of a trap) Would have killed him myself the way he acts but well I like femboys and I cant lie, and he is the only one in the game so

 

[TowerEpik]

But it can happen. So much for Power Fantasy by the logic you presented earlier.

How does that contradict it? If you want to get killed, why should you not be allowed to do it? You're the one in the driver's seat.

Even in a choose your adventure book or opened ended game there is a very finite limit to the options presented. Those options are limited by what the creator put in place. I used books and writer as the example as it's the most direct comparison to a Visual Novel but that fact does not change regardless the form of Media chosen. The Creator chooses the story path(s) and the audience engages it, limited by what was put before them.

I agree. If Malcie or Heliose is your favorite character then Deerie-Anne is an unfortunate casualty. It's not any different then missing Malygar Content because you choose Sunken Temple. It's a narrative choice by the creators. It's not a case of being unable to understand why people don't want their waifu to turn into a form no longer attractive. It's a case of not being able to understand why people want a plot so predictable and boring.

Nobody is asking for *every* single idea or option to be available. Only those that are actually important to people. If you were so dead set on the creator having the final holy word on everything, why have these different branching paths, why give people the choice if you're just going to take it away from them? Surely if the writer's word is law and you have no say in the matter, giving people choices is pointless? Answer is obviously no, you craft your own experience to your liking, it is the player who is the dragon who makes choices and forms bonds with the people he meets. This is why the comparison of your love interests to someone like Magalar doesn't make sense, normal people aren't okay with their loved ones being changed against their will. You do so only because you come from a dispassionate angle where you do not really see these characters as people close to you.

The point isn't to remove the story you like as it is currently, just to add more paths to deal with the issue. You can keep Deerie-Anne if you want, but you shouldn't be forced into it if you don't want to give up Heloise and Malice.

Because a Dragon changes the power structure and relationship structure heavily. In a way even King/Emperor style Harems can not do. A Dragon does not have the same kind of relationship expectations with a Harem.

So yes, it is a meaningful distinction.

Dragon is just a big lizard dude, it's not that deep. There are harems where the protagonist has incredible powers too, it doesn't really matter, it's still a harem game, you're in it for the girls (or boys).

 

[Deleted member 8272248]

Is there a walkthrough for the game?

 

[TowerEpik]

Is there a walkthrough for the game?

Yes, it's bundled with the game files, but here's a link in case you want to see it:

You must be registered to see the links

 

[qwermhv]

Installations said:
" 1. Extract and run. "
So why it is opening my Steam account and don't let me play the game?

 

[Tosk]

Enid best wife.

Amen. Sing those praises for our glorious broodmother

 

[TowerEpik]

Installations said:
" 1. Extract and run. "
So why it is opening my Steam account and don't let me play the game?

Probably because it's a steam build of the game, the executable might be a shim that just tells steam to run it. It's like that only with Windows, on my Linux machine it runs fine without need to crack Steam DRM.
Beware the dev is retarded and has put in his own brain damaged mockery of a DRM system that refuses to run the game if there are any .bat files in the directory. So first make sure there are no such files (in case you followed older guides).
Now, do you see `Ravager.py` in that directory? That's the actual game, you need to run it with python that's bundled at `lib/py3-windows-x86_64/python.exe`. Here's a script that should run it for you

cd %~dp0 
start /b lib\py3-windows-x86_64\python.exe Ravager.py

Just put it in a file like "ravager.cmd" in the directory and run it. It works on my machine. Just don't give it ".bat" extension.

 

[tristan118]

do we know how close we are to going out of early access ?

 

[someguy55]

Is it just me or is this new 5.2 update just HUGELY underwhelming LOL

1 - still TONS of missing voiced dialogue in the act 1 & 2 + act 4 & 5
2 - 5 GB???? yet not 4 GB of new content????
3 - new sound effects suck
4 - new music sucks

 

[TowerEpik]

Is it just me or is this new 5.2 update just HUGELY underwhelming LOL

1 - still TONS of missing voiced dialogue in the act 1 & 2 + act 4 & 5
2 - 5 GB???? yet not 4 GB of new content????
3 - new sound effects suck
4 - new music sucks

 

[Lareit]

Is it just me or is this new 5.2 update just HUGELY underwhelming LOL

1 - still TONS of missing voiced dialogue in the act 1 & 2 + act 4 & 5
2 - 5 GB???? yet not 4 GB of new content????
3 - new sound effects suck
4 - new music sucks

They've hit the point all games that did what they did with branching paths and multiple states for all their characters have. Trying to figure out how to write variations for every single one.

For Example, the Lair Choice alone has 9 choices they have to consider between 2 world states.
2 of those choices, de-powered Mine and Temple result in no NPC but that is still something they must track.
De-powered Malygar still exists but just barely.
Then there is Happy and Angry states for Protean,Infernal and Warlock and Cataclysm and No-Cataclysm states for them as well.

It not only requires MORE writing just to break even, it's also a lot more complex and difficult to write when you're changing your train of thought about what to write.

So I am not at all expecting expedient work and you shouldn't either.

 

[TowerEpik]

They've hit the point all games that did what they did with branching paths and multiple states for all their characters have. Trying to figure out how to write variations for every single one.

For Example, the Lair Choice alone has 9 choices they have to consider between 2 world states.
2 of those choices, de-powered Mine and Temple result in no NPC but that is still something they must track.
De-powered Malygar still exists but just barely.
Then there is Happy and Angry states for Protean,Infernal and Warlock and Cataclysm and No-Cataclysm states for them as well.

It not only requires MORE writing just to break even, it's also a lot more complex and difficult to write when you're changing your train of thought about what to write.

So I am not at all expecting expedient work and you shouldn't either.

To be fair, nobody told them to spread themselves thin like this. It's a valid design critique that they overstretched themselves by having this many mutually exclusive world states that people don't really care about which in turn leads to any single play-through having less content than it otherwise would have had it been a more focused experience. If you imagine development time as a water, the game as a swimming pool, the wider the pool is the shallower the depths must be.
That's being kind to them. Harsher criticism would be that they have "lost the plot", they are no longer active with the community here supposedly because they are "too busy" and would rather spend more time on the game development, despite the fact reading the replies only takes about 5 minutes a day. Such precious time is instead spent on asinine DRM measures that insult the intelligence of the players, mucking about with things that don't matter like sound effect tweaking, changing scenes that nobody asked for, etc.
I don't think these thoughts come from a place of "hating" the game, but more from grief, lamenting it's potential. If nobody cared about the game, nobody would complain about it, as is with many things.

 

[someguy55]

To be fair, nobody told them to spread themselves thin like this. It's a valid design critique that they overstretched themselves by having this many mutually exclusive world states that people don't really care about which in turn leads to any single play-through having less content than it otherwise would have had it been a more focused experience. If you imagine development time as a water, the game as a swimming pool, the wider the pool is the shallower the depths must be.
That's being kind to them. Harsher criticism would be that they have "lost the plot", they are no longer active with the community here supposedly because they are "too busy" and would rather spend more time on the game development, despite the fact reading the replies only takes about 5 minutes a day. Such precious time is instead spent on asinine DRM measures that insult the intelligence of the players, mucking about with things that don't matter like sound effect tweaking, changing scenes that nobody asked for, etc.
I don't think these thoughts come from a place of "hating" the game, but more from grief, lamenting it's potential. If nobody cared about the game, nobody would complain about it, as is with many things.

lemme put it this way man, I feel like the devs have become an "AAA studio";
sluggish
bloated
dismissive of customers

and yeah they're too focused on replayability rather than 1 solid playthrough

and to be brutally honest the legacy artstyle (animated scenes) really clashes, and the dev time has been so long that the existing art looks different from each other. and the amount of time and money they've gotten to this point, could've released 1 or 2 photoreal indie RPG games lol - seems like the dev team is just wasting time everyday...