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[Jman9]

That or the other elves (likely Val or Heloïse) helped her. After all, they know each other and were in the same realm.

Isn't a big part of Maelys's story that she's not on particularly good terms with her handlers?

...likely she managed to find a way to terminate potential offsprings from her ordeals ?

Could be, but then how does she know being pregnant with an abomination is worse than just being defiled? I mean, technically she'd be pregnant from day one, and presumably would take precautions ASAP because a warrior with a big belly isn't.

...though aren't they more lamias ?

Both were snake-women in mythology, without any really strong connection to water or land.

Modern fantasy interpretations have tended to put nagas into water, but then again, modern (and not-so-modern) lamias have often enough been monster women not necessarily resembling (half-)snakes.

 

[Rutonat]

Isn't a big part of Maelys's story that she's not on particularly good terms with her handlers?

While yes, I highly doubt they'd let what they think is an abomination get born just because they don't like her. Plus, it can very well be because she got captured and raped so many times that they actually have a problem with her.

Could be, but then how does she know being pregnant with an abomination is worse than just being defiled? I mean, technically she'd be pregnant from day one, and presumably would take precautions ASAP because a warrior with a big belly isn't.

Well yeah. Either that or they smashed the eggs right after birth. I don't know. So far it's just theories, since we don't know much about it. But we can know with relative certainty that there probably aren't other nagas roaming around under elves watch.

Both were snake-women in mythology, without any really strong connection to water or land.

Modern fantasy interpretations have tended to put nagas into water, but then again, modern (and not-so-modern) lamias have often enough been monster women not necessarily resembling (half-)snakes.

Yeah but that's the thing. Modern interpretation and the loose "canon" created by modern fantasy tends to influence that type of thing to help people understand easily from names. Like, you don't see suddenly a new fantasy universe where elves are 3" yellow skinned people with pure black pupils and normal shaped ears, for examples. There's a classic expected logic in most fantasy races to her with coherence.
Which is why I'm wondering about it. Could very well be a conscious choice from the devs, but since we don't have an answer from them on that...

 

[Jman9]

While yes, I highly doubt they'd let what they think is an abomination get born just because they don't like her. Plus, it can very well be because she got captured and raped so many times that they actually have a problem with her.

How would they know? Maelys seems to be thrown out into the boonies with little oversight all the time.

And Maelys is pretty clear that they don't seem to have much problem with her getting defiled. Maybe because they do perform a quick scouring after each mission and then throw the icky hunter lass out again...

But we can know with relative certainty that there probably aren't other nagas roaming around under elves watch.

Said elves don't seem to be very good at that watching business, though. They might not be roaming around, but one having a nest in another dark temple somewhere...

Idle speculation, of course.

Yeah but that's the thing. Modern interpretation and the loose "canon" created by modern fantasy tends to influence that type of thing to help people understand easily from names.

In which case, my immediate response to someone saying 'lamia' is

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. No snake women anywhere.

There's a classic expected logic in most fantasy races to her with coherence.

In most cases, there are several competing ones even in the modern vernacular. Every author seems to want to have their own spin on elves, for example. Be it novels, TTRPGs, digital games or whatever.

As an extreme example, tell me which interpretation of 'kobold' is the 'logical' one? 'Knockers', 'house elves', 'dog goblins', 'little dragonkin', 'salamanderkin', 'lizard-dog goblins'? These are all among modern takes, and what exactly is meant depends heavily on context.

 

[Rutonat]

How would they know? Maelys seems to be thrown out into the boonies with little oversight all the time.

And Maelys is pretty clear that they don't seem to have much problem with her getting defiled. Maybe because they do perform a quick scouring after each mission and then throw the icky hunter lass out again...

Elves do seem to have specific magic in that universe. And Heloïse and Val both seem to be well versed in it in particular. Wouldn't surprise me if they were able to use it to find her, or Maelys managed to escape at some point, or something. For all unlucky as she is, the huntress still seems to be competent.

Said elves don't seem to be very good at that watching business, though. They might not be roaming around, but one having a nest in another dark temple somewhere...

Idle speculation, of course.

Remember that, before the appearance of the protag, dragons were extinct. Of course they'd have no reason to be as carefull, since the last dragon was supposed to have died quite some time ago.

In which case, my immediate response to someone saying 'lamia' is

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. No snake women anywhere.

Well, yeah, but as much as I love it, DnD is hardly the be all end all of fantasy reference. If you type "lamia" into a search engine, you'll mostly find snake women. Shows that the term refers to those more than anything else in modern fantasy.

In most cases, there are several competing ones even in the modern vernacular. Every author seems to want to have their own spin on elves, for example. Be it novels, TTRPGs, digital games or whatever.

As an extreme example, tell me which interpretation of 'kobold' is the right one? 'Knockers', 'house elves', 'dog goblins', 'little dragonkin', 'salamanderkin', 'lizard-dog goblins'? These are all valid takes, and what exactly is meant depends heavily on context.

I didn't say there was only one correct possibility. I said there was an expected concept that became widespread. Of course, some authors or creators will do whatever they want with it. After all, Elvensang (another game on here) has an elf that has been confirmed being more on the short and thick side, while elves are usually depicted as tall and slender people.
What I meant was that I was wondering if the name was chosen randomly or if the devs had a specific reason behind if. If they decided there was no difference between lamias and nagas, if they choose to only have one of those in their universe and picked the first name that came to mind, or whatever.

I'm merely speculating while waiting for the next updates.

 

[Dysphorika]

Yeah but that's the thing. Modern interpretation and the loose "canon" created by modern fantasy tends to influence that type of thing to help people understand easily from names. Like, you don't see suddenly a new fantasy universe where elves are 3" yellow skinned people with pure black pupils and normal shaped ears, for examples. There's a classic expected logic in most fantasy races to her with coherence.
Which is why I'm wondering about it. Could very well be a conscious choice from the devs, but since we don't have an answer from them on that...

Well, everybody remembers Rowling's "elves".

In which case, my immediate response to someone saying 'lamia' is

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. No snake women anywhere.

Oh yes, the lamia half lion version, I forgot that one.

 

[Rutonat]

Well, everybody remembers Rowling's "elves".

I'm not sure we can't count an ever changing canon as having any sort of credibility.

 

[Dysphorika]

I'm not sure we can't count an ever changing canon as having any sort of credibility.

cough agree cough

 

[Jman9]

And Heloïse and Val both seem to be well versed in it in particular. Wouldn't surprise me if they were able to use it to find her, or Maelys managed to escape at some point, or something.

My point was that they don't seem to care whether Maelys is getting dragon dick or not. Or where she gets it. Even if they have the ability to find her, they don't really seem to want to do much with it. All the actual doing is mostly dumped on the huntress gal.

Remember that, before the appearance of the protag, dragons were extinct. Of course they'd have no reason to be as carefull...

All the more reason to have secret Naga cults.

Well, yeah, but as much as I love it, DnD is hardly the be all end all of fantasy reference. If you type "lamia" into a search engine, you'll mostly find snake women.

I tried. Among the first 40 results:

• The original Greek Lamia, whose 'snakeness' is questionable and strongly based on a relatively modern work (the eponymous poem by Keats): 15
• Snake women: Keats's poem x2, Witcher lore x2, Terraria Lamia, a D&D 5E variant, some random DeviantArt page: 7
• Nagas in disguise: Elder Scrolls Online: 2
• D&D half-lions: 4
• White Wolf vampire bloodline: 1
• Night World vampire sub-species: 1
• Supernatural's 'clawed monster' version: 1
• Merlin TV series shapeshifter (and not into a snake-woman): 1
• N/A: A French politician, an Afghanistan NGOx2, a spa, a football club, an ancient city, a piece of clothing, a corporation's acronym: 8

Out of these, fantasy references cover:

• Snake women: Witcher lore x2, Terraria Lamia, D&D 5E variant, some random DeviantArt page: 5
• Nagas in disguise: Elder Scrolls Online: 2
• D&D half-lions: 4
• White Wolf vampire bloodline: 1
• Night World vampire sub-species: 1
• Supernatural's 'clawed monster' version: 1
• Merlin TV series's shapeshifter (and not into a snake-woman): 1

This is barely a majority and even for that you have to count the pseudo-nagas.

I didn't say there was only one correct possibility. I said there was an expected concept that became widespread.

But there is not. There are at least four: snake-woman, half-lion, vampire and a nebulous 'seductive monster woman'. Probably 'succubus' as well.

At most, there is an expectation of 'lamia = snake-woman' among a large sub-section of digital gamers. Maybe.

What I meant was that I was wondering if the name was chosen randomly or if the devs had a specific reason behind if.

Unlike Lamia and her ilk, Nagas were decidedly half-serpents from the very beginning and haven't changed much except for moving from a paradise dimension into mundane water. So I'd guess 'naga' was a natural choice and they never thought much about lamias.

No way to tell unless 4MW comes out and says it was because of Avatar: LOK instead.

 

[Rutonat]

My point was that they don't seem to care whether Maelys is getting dragon dick or not. Or where she gets it. Even if they have the ability to find her, they don't really seem to want to do much with it. All the actual doing is mostly dumped on the huntress gal.

I get that. I didn't say they cared. Please pay attention to what I'm writting... They can not give a single fuck about her getting raped, but how does that justify they'd let her give birth to an abomination ? Read between the lines, dude !

I tried. Among the first 40 results:

• The original Greek Lamia, whose 'snakeness' is questionable and strongly based on a relatively modern work (the eponymous poem by Keats): 15
• Snake women: Keats's poem x2, Witcher lore x2, Terraria Lamia, a D&D 5E variant, some random DeviantArt page: 7
• Nagas in disguise: Elder Scrolls Online: 2
• D&D half-lions: 4
• White Wolf vampire bloodline: 1
• Night World vampire sub-species: 1
• Supernatural's 'clawed monster' version: 1
• Merlin TV series shapeshifter (and not into a snake-woman): 1
• N/A: A French politician, an Afghanistan NGOx2, a spa, a football club, an ancient city, a piece of clothing, a corporation's acronym: 8

Out of these, fantasy references cover:

• Snake women: Witcher lore x2, Terraria Lamia, D&D 5E variant, some random DeviantArt page: 5
• Nagas in disguise: Elder Scrolls Online: 2
• D&D half-lions: 4
• White Wolf vampire bloodline: 1
• Night World vampire sub-species: 1
• Supernatural's 'clawed monster' version: 1
• Merlin TV series's shapeshifter (and not into a snake-woman): 1

This is barely a majority and even for that you have to count the pseudo-nagas.

I meant more about images, but whatever.

 

[Jman9]

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Are dragons known for not impregnating their victims? If not, then caring about defilement and pregnancy are pretty much the same thing unless she's getting regular 'uncaring' check-ups after each mission. Maelys's griefing about their activities didn't sound like that to me.

 

[Rutonat]

You said they wanted to find her and any offspring. I expressed doubt, since to me, they don't seem to want to use their abilities on Maelys at all. Just dump her on the next dragon, as long as she's still standing. This means they don't care to find her, which is completely spearate from them caring about Maelys. 'Care' means different things in different contexts.

If you're going to accuse people of not reading between the lines, at least try to read what they write first. If you don't get it, ask, don't start accusing.

.... And by your logic, them dump her on a dragon, let her get raped into oblivion and pump out naga after naga without giving a single fuck. If you can't see where your logic fails, I can't help you.

I am also not going to read from 'between the lines' for someone who is a self-announced 'Not a native english speaker.' I could read all sorts weird crap out of your statements this way, and I don't think either of us wants that.

So because I'm not a native english speaker, I don't know how to write english ? Is that what you mean ? If you think so little of non-native english speaker, why the fuck are you even responding to me, then ? For fuck sake, dude. Don't act so fuckign entitled about a native language.
Plus, I mainly mean typos, not "I don't know what I'm typing". More often than not I end up noticing mixed up words after some time, because I have to switch languages around in my head, which gets confusing. So I'll sometimes write "of" instead of "or", or the opposite, or slide a word in my native language instead of english or something like that.
I still have more than half my life of experience using english on a daily basis. I might not be a native english speaker, but I'm still confident enough in my english level to be posting here nearly every day and most likely fool most people, sign aside.

Images I'll grant you, these are overwhelmingly snake-women.

Are dragons known for not impregnating their victims? If not, then caring about defilement and pregnancy are pretty much the same thing unless she's getting regular 'uncaring' check-ups after each mission. Maelys's griefing about their activities didn't sound like that to me.

We don't know. We don't have much informations about the behavior of previous dragons aside from them being assholes who'd rape and destroy everything, basically. But seeing as there's quite a lot of kobolds, which are born from dragons breeding apparently any person who's not an elf, I'd say there's a good chance they'd try to breed elves too, given the chance.

 

[Dysphorika]

We don't know. We don't have much informations about the behavior of previous dragons aside from them being assholes who'd rape and destroy everything, basically. But seeing as there's quite a lot of kobolds, which are born from dragons breeding apparently any person who's not an elf, I'd say there's a good chance they'd try to breed elves too, given the chance.

For what I understood, if it's not a (officialy?) consort, dragons and anything else (no elf) offspring is a kobold, so makes me wonder, if its an "official" consort, then is when they give birth "true" dragons?

 

[Rutonat]

For what I understood, if it's not a (officialy?) consort, dragons and anything else (no elf) offspring is a kobold, so makes me wonder, if its an "official" consort, then is when they give birth "true" dragons?

I can tell you that it's false, since you can't make Val a consort, yet she can be Malice's mom. So likely that doesn't nécessarily matter.
What matters though is that only the royal bloodline makes dragons. Though, I suspect our boy isn't actually a "true" dragon...

 

[Dysphorika]

I can tell you that it's false, since you can't make Val a consort, yet she can be Malice's mom. So likely that doesn't nécessarily matter.
What matters though is that only the royal bloodline makes dragons. Though, I suspect our boy isn't actually a "true" dragon...

True, I forgot about the royal bloodline thing...

 

[Jman9]

.... And by your logic, them dump her on a dragon, let her get raped into oblivion and pump out naga after naga without giving a single fuck. If you can't see where your logic fails, I can't help you.

Maybe they don't know she gets pregnant. Maybe they think she's immune to pregnancy. Maybe she is immune. Maybe they have good reason to think she's immune and she's actually not. Maybe they let her connection be severed because weaker connection means no abominations and she should be over the threshold ten times over. Maybe they expect her to self-report (hah!).

They might not care about her getting defiled with good reason. They may not. You're jumping to conclusions and acting as if they're god-given truths.

Edit: I'm actually kinda surprised that Maelys always seems to come out on top immediately. Maybe she's lying, and there have been several dragons who kept her around for a while, got their own Nagas, let them roam free and then got offed by Maelys. Who was then smart enough to not report it because she's now likely to be sent after the Naga, alone, and just die. /edit

But seeing as there's quite a lot of kobolds, which are born from dragons breeding apparently any person who's not an elf, I'd say there's a good chance they'd try to breed elves too, given the chance.

Which means the elven cabal should care quite a lot about Maelys being defiled, and put her on abomination-detectors after each mission. Yet she's only been in contact with Valzira for a long time, and there doesn't seem to be much rapport between them, or procedures to be followed. Well, her being a witch might mean Maelys is getting regular checkups.

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[Bob Jared]

I've done a run being fully nice every single time, and the same happened anyway. She begged for me to do her after having a talk with darling Heloïse, and ended up broken anyway.

This is the the outcome I had already expected which is why I immediately refused and then told her that she is "too important to me" when she demanded to know why. Seemed to have a very positive effect on her mood and her opinion of the dragon but maybe that's just me.

 

[Rutonat]

This is the the outcome I had already expected which is why I immediately refused and then told her that she is "too important to me" when she demanded to know why. Seemed to have a very positive effect on her mood and her opinion of the dragon but maybe that's just me.

Really ?
.... Looks like I have some retkoning to do on my run.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

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Are dragons known for not impregnating their victims? If not, then caring about defilement and pregnancy are pretty much the same thing unless she's getting regular 'uncaring' check-ups after each mission. Maelys's griefing about their activities didn't sound like that to me.

If you search in google images either naga or lamia it gives snake girls in both cases. Deal with it.

 

[Jman9]

A word's usage is defined by Google image search now? 'Deal with it' shows me lots of sunglasses, does your last sentence mean you're promising to send me a pair?

 

[Rutonat]

A word's usage is defined by Google image search now? 'Deal with it' shows me lots of sunglasses, does your last sentence mean you're promising to send me a pair?

His username says a lot about his personality though.