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Ren'Py Raven [Segment 04] [Midnight Stories]

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Arassei

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May 28, 2019
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No. Not really.

Any and ALL games should be self explanatory, not requiring reading beforehand.

THAT is how a game must be designed.
It's not about self explanatory, it about logic. The overview is not a lie. You read it when you come on a thread, before downloading the game.

And if you want self explanatory, it's in the answer you quoted yourself :

"After the prologue, you are in MC's bedroom, with an icon much bigger than others. That icon disapears when you change rooms."
And icon with a Raven on it, you even found it yourself.

Glad you liked the story.


You obviously didn't get what I meant, making it more obvious would be wasting my time.
OOOOOR, you can try to explain it in another way if you really think I didn't get it. You can even PM, suit yourself.

RobJoy however got it, I thank him for that. I will stay away until you start to listen to feedback and your "game" is more fleshed out. I see no need to clutter this thread by trying to explain you what people mean, when they criticize your design choices, when they made it obvious enough, me included.
Hey, bro, there is only you, Robjoy, and maybe 2 or 3 others people who complain about that.
Over all the people that played this "game", only five have a problem with that.
I rather think what I'm doing is good, and that you five failed to use your eyes and/or your intuition.

And having an almost empty sandbox just "to show the day to day live" is nothing people were asking for,
That is really pissing me off.
Well, sure, people didn't ask for it.
Instead, they ask me not to put lesbian content or made it avoidable, they ask for the girls faces to be changed, they ask for non-empty freeroam, they ask for sex scene immediatly... but yeah, they didn't ask for it.

I really think I'm someone you can speak with, but dam... what the hell is that line?
They didn't ask for it? Oh, my bad, I didn't know I had to ask people before making my own game.
Should I also ask them about the size of the shit I may drop in the toilet or may I still doing it by myself, my Lord?

And then, what? If I didn't get it, what are you asking for, then? That I have to remove the freeroam part or something?
You really think I will do that?
Because it's just about that, right? You just didn't like the freeroam. And you didn't like my answer about it. Don't you dare coming and say that it's just advice, that it will make the game better or shit. You don't even give a dam about the game.
 

TigerWolfe

Engaged Member
Oct 19, 2022
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It's not about self explanatory, it about logic. The overview is not a lie. You read it when you come on a thread, before downloading the game.

And if you want self explanatory, it's in the answer you quoted yourself :

"After the prologue, you are in MC's bedroom, with an icon much bigger than others. That icon disapears when you change rooms."
And icon with a Raven on it, you even found it yourself.

Glad you liked the story.




OOOOOR, you can try to explain it in another way if you really think I didn't get it. You can even PM, suit yourself.



Hey, bro, there is only you, Robjoy, and maybe 2 or 3 others people who complain about that.
Over all the people that played this "game", only five have a problem with that.
I rather think what I'm doing is good, and that you five failed to use your eyes and/or your intuition.



That is really pissing me off.
Well, sure, people didn't ask for it.
Instead, they ask me not to put lesbian content or made it avoidable, they ask for the girls faces to be changed, they ask for non-empty freeroam, they ask for sex scene immediatly... but yeah, they didn't ask for it.

I really think I'm someone you can speak with, but dam... what the hell is that line?
They didn't ask for it? Oh, my bad, I didn't know I had to ask people before making my own game.
Should I also ask them about the size of the shit I may drop in the toilet or may I still doing it by myself, my Lord?

And then, what? If I didn't get it, what are you asking for, then? That I have to remove the freeroam part or something?
You really think I will do that?
Because it's just about that, right? You just didn't like the freeroam. And you didn't like my answer about it. Don't you dare coming and say that it's just advice, that it will make the game better or shit. You don't even give a dam about the game.
It's better for your sanity if you just ignore the whiners. They're not contributing anything. Personally I'm looking forward to what else is to come, and as a preferer of buxom non blondes this shit is hitting all the right notes.
 

doccop63

Member
Oct 16, 2022
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Honestly, yes, I should stop answering.
I slightly lost my cool.
Don't let whiners get you down. If you take the time to check, the whiners have submitted NO type of content of their own. They always give devs and modders suggestions on what to do or not to do, usually in a classless or sarcastic way but don't seem to volunteer giving out any Actual help, Especially when they are 1st time content creators. As has been stated in other game threads, if you try to please everybody, you end up pleasing No one. Some people just like to find fault with anythng they come across. I believe some actually get off on bitching.
 

TouchingHavoc

New Member
Mar 5, 2021
6
15
There's a reason most creators don't post in their game, you can't make everyone happy. Best way to prevent the hurt is not to read it at all.

I had issues finding the story but it's because I can't read and assumed the game was built like others. This is going to loose you players like me who can't read... but do you really want those ?
 

Mookys

Well-Known Member
Dec 19, 2022
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Interesting. This game seems to focus on brunettes. But that doesn't bother me.
 

RobJoy

Active Member
Jul 4, 2017
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It's not about self explanatory, it about logic. The overview is not a lie. You read it when you come on a thread, before downloading the game.

And if you want self explanatory, it's in the answer you quoted yourself :

"After the prologue, you are in MC's bedroom, with an icon much bigger than others. That icon disapears when you change rooms."
And icon with a Raven on it, you even found it yourself.

Glad you liked the story.




OOOOOR, you can try to explain it in another way if you really think I didn't get it. You can even PM, suit yourself.



Hey, bro, there is only you, Robjoy, and maybe 2 or 3 others people who complain about that.
Over all the people that played this "game", only five have a problem with that.
I rather think what I'm doing is good, and that you five failed to use your eyes and/or your intuition.



That is really pissing me off.
Well, sure, people didn't ask for it.
Instead, they ask me not to put lesbian content or made it avoidable, they ask for the girls faces to be changed, they ask for non-empty freeroam, they ask for sex scene immediatly... but yeah, they didn't ask for it.

I really think I'm someone you can speak with, but dam... what the hell is that line?
They didn't ask for it? Oh, my bad, I didn't know I had to ask people before making my own game.
Should I also ask them about the size of the shit I may drop in the toilet or may I still doing it by myself, my Lord?

And then, what? If I didn't get it, what are you asking for, then? That I have to remove the freeroam part or something?
You really think I will do that?
Because it's just about that, right? You just didn't like the freeroam. And you didn't like my answer about it. Don't you dare coming and say that it's just advice, that it will make the game better or shit. You don't even give a dam about the game.
It was a remark and a complaint.
Without them, developers would do even more half arsed jobs.

But like I said, I love the story and what is trying to be achieved here.
And my gripe is a minor one, as this is NOT a make it or break it failure.
Dev did after all provide a way to advance in the game,.. half arsed as it may be.

So, can't wait for an update and a brighter future where devs hold young virgins hands and nibble on their tits.
 

Ghost''

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Mar 17, 2021
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Neko-Chan Pacifica

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Jul 6, 2021
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I don't know. As a hater of CERTAIN content, I don't have much of a problem with lesbian scenes, even those that are forced. Especially if the Dev warns first. Lesbian scenes are just boring, but more people will probably see little wrong with it. What I like more than that though is that Dev hates the content I do and has sworn to never do it. THAT is enough for me to consider them even more.

Also, on the point of Polyamourous vs Harem debate people are having, maybe I'm just old, but I wouldn't personally find any value in the distinction. That's just me though. Another thing, the dev made it clear that he likes the porn logic aspect of it, which they are transparent about, so again, plus points even if the content isn't to my liking.

I think it's good to be fair and give it a chance especially when we don't know where it's going yet and it's not trying to force OTHER content.
There is a massive difference between harems and polyamorous relationships. However western developers don't seem to really understand the difference, so when they write harem stories, they are basically polyamorous and done with consent with all parties involved.

They often throw IC in there. Think of My New Family (this is purely an incestuous polyamorous relationship, with consent and encouragement by the MC's main girlfriend Sandra. It really is not a harem, despite the dev claiming it is ..it is not. Pretty much every harem game is polyamorous.

A harem can be owned by more than 1 individual today (but in times long ago, it was usually some rich sheik, but like today his harem would have operated in similar conditons. The girls would have been taken care by a eunoch (a castrated male), and run as a prostition business. There is no consent unless they happen to be ill, however the women / girls are taken care of in exceptional conditions.

The harem owner, owns them to make money.
Unforuntately today, we have sex trafficking, the kidnapping of young underage girls and women. These disgusting creatures don't care, they never take of the girls, and the girls will often die in disgusting conditions before they are found, some are never found again.

Sex slave Traffickers also own Harems of girls owned by a business. I mean girls and women forced into something they would never do (prostition (often their clients would be beat the girl he spent time with, often raped and beaten and starved, put on drugs so they are forced to be compliant so they can feed their addictions.

There is a massive difference between being forced into being a sex worker against their consent, and no matter whether the girls / women are treated well or badly, they are sill slaves captured for prostitution. There is no love of any kind involved except for the love of money the girls make for their owner(s).

Harems have often times been romantized which completely baffles me because there is no love in involved. There was a book written quite a long time ago, very likely out of print, in today's pc world. The harem owner, only ever kept the girls, well fed, given all the medical care they would need, the only thing he only cared about was the money they made for him.

Sometimes other sheiks would attempt to steal his women when they thought he was no where about, which would cause all kinds of retribution (violence) from the owner who would catch them all the time. There was a law that stated if someone steals something, their left hand would be chopped off, and tha also extended to harem owners. There where many harem owners right across the middle east, from saudi arabia to qatar.

Finally forced sex between lesbians, if they are lesbians what are they even doing with the mc in the first place? But then you mention they will become bi and there is no way to avoid it.

TO THE DEV: Why didn't you just create a female protag and focus on lesbians you love so much? No offence, but unless you make changes to this game, it isn't going to be liked very much. If your trying to make money, your not going to get anywhere near what you'd get if you removed the stupid forced lesbianism. This game is either poly (harem) with one straight guy, or it's a lesbian game given how much you say your going to add to it. It completely contradicts everything your trying to do. Do one or the other, otherwise your game is very likely going to end up the way of the dinosaurs as they always do. No offense and I mean it, but if you think harem game players are going to enjoy this mess, your sorely mistaken. I would say good luck, but there is no point.
 
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doccop63

Member
Oct 16, 2022
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There is a massive difference between harems and polyamorous relationships. However western developers don't seem to really understand the difference, so when they write harem stories, they are basically polyamorous and done with consent with all parties involved.

They often throw IC in there. Think of My New Family (this is purely an incestuous polyamorous relationship, with consent and encouragement by the MC's main girlfriend Sandra. It really is not a harem, despite the dev claiming it is ..it is not. Pretty much every harem game is polyamorous.

A harem can be owned by more than 1 individual today (but in times long ago, it was usually some rich sheik, but like today his harem would have operated in similar conditons. The girls would have been taken care by a eunoch (a castrated male), and run as a prostition business. There is no consent unless they happen to be ill, however the women / girls are taken care of in exceptional conditions.

The harem owner, owns them to make money.
Unforuntately today, we have sex trafficking, the kidnapping of young underage girls and women. These disgusting creatures don't care, they never take of the girls, and the girls will often die in disgusting conditions before they are found, some are never found again.

Sex slave Traffickers also own Harems of girls owned by a business. I mean girls and women forced into something they would never do (prostition (often their clients would be beat the girl he spent time with, often raped and beaten and starved, put on drugs so they are forced to be compliant so they can feed their addictions.

There is a massive difference between being forced into being a sex worker against their consent, and no matter whether the girls / women are treated well or badly, they are sill slaves captured for prostitution. There is no love of any kind involved except for the love of money the girls make for their owner(s).

Harems have often times been romantized which completely baffles me because there is no love in involved. There was a book written quite a long time ago, very likely out of print, in today's pc world. The harem owner, only ever kept the girls, well fed, given all the medical care they would need, the only thing he only cared about was the money they made for him.

Sometimes other sheiks would attempt to steal his women when they thought he was no where about, which would cause all kinds of retribution (violence) from the owner who would catch them all the time. There was a law that stated if someone steals something, their left hand would be chopped off, and tha also extended to harem owners. There where many harem owners right across the middle east, from saudi arabia to qatar.

Finally forced sex between lesbians, if they are lesbians what are they even doing with the mc in the first place? But then you mention they will become bi and there is no way to avoid it.

TO THE DEV: Why didn't you just create a female protag and focus on lesbians you love so much? No offence, but unless you make changes to this game, it isn't going to be liked very much. If your trying to make money, your not going to get anywhere near what you'd get if you removed the stupid forced lesbianism. This game is either poly (harem) with one straight guy, or it's a lesbian game given how much you say your going to add to it. It completely contradicts everything your trying to do. Do one or the other, otherwise your game is very likely going to end up the way of the dinosaurs as they always do. No offense and I mean it, but if you think harem game players are going to enjoy this mess, your sorely mistaken. I would say good luck, but there is no point.
That was well and thoughtfully explained. I, for one, never thought to investigate the true meaning and nature of a harem. I didn't know how chaotic it is for the women. That's truly horrible and you're right, it has been romanticized, mainly because of the misunderstanding of the term. Thank you for the lesson and it's true, you Can learn something new, no matter how old that you are.
 

Larry2000

Dev/Head Writer of Unexpected Opportunity
Game Developer
May 9, 2017
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There is a massive difference between harems and polyamorous relationships. However western developers don't seem to really understand the difference, so when they write harem stories, they are basically polyamorous and done with consent with all parties involved.

They often throw IC in there. Think of My New Family (this is purely an incestuous polyamorous relationship, with consent and encouragement by the MC's main girlfriend Sandra. It really is not a harem, despite the dev claiming it is ..it is not. Pretty much every harem game is polyamorous.

A harem can be owned by more than 1 individual today (but in times long ago, it was usually some rich sheik, but like today his harem would have operated in similar conditons. The girls would have been taken care by a eunoch (a castrated male), and run as a prostition business. There is no consent unless they happen to be ill, however the women / girls are taken care of in exceptional conditions.

The harem owner, owns them to make money.
Unforuntately today, we have sex trafficking, the kidnapping of young underage girls and women. These disgusting creatures don't care, they never take of the girls, and the girls will often die in disgusting conditions before they are found, some are never found again.

Sex slave Traffickers also own Harems of girls owned by a business. I mean girls and women forced into something they would never do (prostition (often their clients would be beat the girl he spent time with, often raped and beaten and starved, put on drugs so they are forced to be compliant so they can feed their addictions.

There is a massive difference between being forced into being a sex worker against their consent, and no matter whether the girls / women are treated well or badly, they are sill slaves captured for prostitution. There is no love of any kind involved except for the love of money the girls make for their owner(s).

Harems have often times been romantized which completely baffles me because there is no love in involved. There was a book written quite a long time ago, very likely out of print, in today's pc world. The harem owner, only ever kept the girls, well fed, given all the medical care they would need, the only thing he only cared about was the money they made for him.

Sometimes other sheiks would attempt to steal his women when they thought he was no where about, which would cause all kinds of retribution (violence) from the owner who would catch them all the time. There was a law that stated if someone steals something, their left hand would be chopped off, and tha also extended to harem owners. There where many harem owners right across the middle east, from saudi arabia to qatar.

Finally forced sex between lesbians, if they are lesbians what are they even doing with the mc in the first place? But then you mention they will become bi and there is no way to avoid it.

TO THE DEV: Why didn't you just create a female protag and focus on lesbians you love so much? No offence, but unless you make changes to this game, it isn't going to be liked very much. If your trying to make money, your not going to get anywhere near what you'd get if you removed the stupid forced lesbianism. This game is either poly (harem) with one straight guy, or it's a lesbian game given how much you say your going to add to it. It completely contradicts everything your trying to do. Do one or the other, otherwise your game is very likely going to end up the way of the dinosaurs as they always do. No offense and I mean it, but if you think harem game players are going to enjoy this mess, your sorely mistaken. I would say good luck, but there is no point.
As an old fashioned Harem fan, I disagree with everything that you say about Polyamourous relationships. Harem for me has always meant a guy surrounded by a bunch of girls that love him. The particulars around lesbians is irrelevant to me. Now, am I the biggest fan of lesbian stuff in games? Not really. Do I hate it? Absolutely not.

The distinction between them is silly in my opinion. Besides, having Lesbian sex in a game is probably the least harmful thing you can add as a harem fan. The worst being the 3 letter word of course, so i doubt it'll affect the Dev's support. I think people really just care about sexy characters when they support a game. Then the story/progression second.

On your last point, while I'm not playing the game cause it seems a little more sexy focused, I like slower burn games. (Maybe I'm wrong) but I think most players, not just harem players will enjoy the story provided it doesn't get bogged down by too many weird tags.

Have a nice day. Maybe we disagree, but we can leave in peace :D
 

sanmal

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Jul 30, 2017
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The latest update looks boring.
The new update is not compatible with old saves. The new scene does not automatically play. The last 2 icons in the scene menu are inactive.
 
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