There is the potential Carmen won't at all. I mean, I doubt it, but seems like a potential thing. I'm not sure, but are there points tracking her yet? If not, might imply she won't be a long term person. Not like a sure thing but could be so.
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The thing with turning her is quite complex in my opinion. If MC does it, his special lineage is less special, as you will have another one like him, just a higher generation. I think if she is going to be turned, Sharon might do it. But Sharon making vampires just because does not seem to fit her character. She would need a real reason to do it (this is for me the most likely candidate). Finally, she might get turned by somebody not MC not Sharon. But another sireless fledgling is quite redundant so soon in the novel. I say sireless cause I don't expect another vamp to join our ranks soon. And please don't let a nos turn her.
She can always be left as another thrall, but again, redundant position with Laurie.
Wait and see.
I agree. Although, power is power. But nothing with the archon will happen soon in my opinion. Nothing as direct as killing him, at least.
I checked the code and there is one simple false or true variable called carmentstart. It is by default false, but you can set it to true if when you are going to her house you say "I'm having second thoughts". It is not used later up to now.
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Hmm, could do a 'turned you to save your life' sort of situation, perhaps, if she does stick around.
Could be a nobody in the end, but I am still under the belief she later joins team MC, not as a vamp or a thrall, but as an ally. The first two could easily be detected. If the MC's third power, Charisma based, gives him 'super Jedi mind trick' powers? Of course Sharon and the other non-believers will have to finally agree that Astrid is working to bring them down before that part of 'my story could initiate Carmen slowly joining team MC to be his spy in the daylight.
On another note regarding the red haired vamp, our sire, and yes, I fully believe she is. She most likely could have been bored, but what if black haired sexy vamp saw the MC through her eyes? When I am bored, I need inspiration to suddenly do something. Red head goes from bored to full throttle, boogy woogy, fangs in the neck? In my world, black haired sexy vamp sees MC through our sire's eyes and says, 'Oh yes, I want him. Make that happen."
On a side note regarding the Archon. MC may just decide, if they discover it is Astrid and the Archon working to bring them down, to use his upcoming super Jedi mind trick powers to turn them against each other, then separate the Archon's head from his shoulders. *uses his mind to tell Archon, 'get on your knees bitch,' all while invisible, then out come the 'holy water claws.' Hey, nobody fucks with Sharon and gets away with it.
On a side note regarding the Archon. MC may just decide, if they discover it is Astrid and the Archon working to bring them down, to use his upcoming super Jedi mind trick powers to turn them against each other, then separate the Archon's head from his shoulders. *uses his mind to tell Archon, 'get on your knees bitch,' all while invisible, then out come the 'holy water claws.' Hey, nobody fucks with Sharon and gets away with it.
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Turning her without the Archon permission would be a violation of Camarilla rules, so I doubt it.
The easiest way out for her is entrhallment, but who's gonna be her blood daddy/mommy?
Sharon has Andrew already and the MC has Laurie, that only leave us with fans favourite
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God i would love that. Or for her to be a pet. She tried to kill my mc and Sharon. Let her outsides match the insides I say
is there a rule against having many thralls? Tbh, having a thrall who you can play around with would be nice. It feels kinda bad to be mean to Laurie, but Carmen is a different story
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Doubt Sharon and Andrew would let that happen while they are around.is there a rule against having many thralls? Tbh, having a thrall who you can play around with would be nice. It feels kinda bad to be mean to Laurie, but Carmen is a different story
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Not really, making Thralls-Ghouls is frowned upon as a breach of the Masquerade but is tolerated at the same time, because the Ghoul can't betray his master due to the blood bond.
So in theory you can have a Harem of qts addicted to your blood.
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The problem with Carmen is that she's a human that knows about the masquerade. so the problem is that she must be delt with before the group reports back to the archon. and here's the problemsThink she will join and stay as Human but more in the Secure Background. After some time when the War heats up she will be attacked and almost die, our good samaritas MC or Sharon will turn her into an Vamp/Thrall (but think more into a Vamp) ... Hope that MC will archive to get a small Tongue like the Archon has for better Bedtime storys ya know
1) if she stays human, the archon may want her dead
2) if MC turns her, she might manifest some of his powers but based on her disposition and behaviour those might be different from the MC for example she might never feel the need to become invisible
3) if Sharon turns her, Carmen will gain her powers and we know that the archon wants those eyes.... so that is not an option
4) marcus is a no, because Carmen is too pretty inside and outside
5) we could always ask Eloise to turn Carmen but don't think she would be happy to sire a weakling
6) we could ask the vampiress that MC and Laurie worked for as DJs, but then MC wouldn't get many chances to spend the time with Carmen.
7)if MC turns Carmen, her education and training would fall on him, since I don't think Sharon would be kin on spending boons on a love rival.
8) if MC is a malkavian (his sire seems to have a mental disorder, and MC himself is hyperaroused) it's not certain how the curs would change Carmen. and if MC is not a malk, it's not certain which clan weekness would befall on Carmen.
9) there are two ways to "aquire" carmen, either MC has claws or Andrew saves the day, in the first case MC should be the one to decide since Carmen is his "game" and the others will probably accept his decision, in the second case his claim is less solid
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Wanting to hurt Carmen in the heat of the moment is one thing, turning her into a sex doll is another. I am sure that would go against Sharon's code of not living like a bloodlusted animal.
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Marcus or other Nos can turn her, yes.
Nos prefer to turn homeless, basement dwellers and other outcasts of society, but they can turn the prom queen into a Nos for despise. Carmen fits the bill because she is a Hunter, turning her into a Nos is a punishment itself.
The other option are Toreador, she's a qt and Sharon is probably from the Clan of the Rose (the game logo is their blazon).
The safest bet for Carmen is death or enthrallment.
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she's not.. she is just looking for revenge over some vincent. she's too amateurish to be a hunter.
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She tried to kill the MC anyways, that requires punishment.
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and she's naked in a cage. that's enough, and she did that only because Astrid, the root of all evil, siced her on the group
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Well, we're especulating based on VTM lore for the fun of it. I doubt the dev will kill her, her model is pretty good and she has come to stay probably.
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my theory is that the eye-patch guy was a hunters reject that was never admitted into the organisation
considering there is already a "Laurie lover or slave" variable, the game doesn't have to be all roses and rainbows. Sharon is certainly one to try her best to keep her humanity, but she doesn't try to impose her values onto the MC. Advise him yes, but she is not forcing him. And enthralling Carmen is the easy choice to make in this situation. Get rid of a threat, get information regarding their enemies and current mission, take care of MC's blue balls (which is why she sent him there in the first place). There is obviously going to be a choice like with Laurie on how to treat Carmen if she does become a thrall, so you guys don't have to white knight for her in this hypothetical discussion.Wanting to hurt Carmen in the heat of the moment is one thing, turning her into a sex doll is another. I am sure that would go against Sharon's code of not living like a bloodlusted animal.