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I don't think that is the "action" scene in question here....... just guessing.
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Yeah i agree. Most likely will be scene with that ancient nightmare thing(likely old noss). Probably stating obivious but am pumped for update.
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before we go to the serious part... is it juts my eyes decieving me or is Ivy more stacked in this render ?
we know that the update will see the outcome of previous choices,as of previous status update,and all points at Laurie and her Sharonsaveslaurie variable.... my speculation at this point is that Laurie will be attacked and , to save her, she'll be turned by recieving blood from both MC and Sharon. Her embrace transformation will be instantaneous (the character scene that the devs planned for later) and Laurie will feel the hunger. Since the preview shows Ivy in the caves Laurie will see her as food and will try to drink her. MC and Sharon will realise what's going on and will intercept her. and the action scene will be about restraining Laurie without hurting her.
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I love reading theories and you usually have some very engaging ones.
This is one I am going to ponder. Don't have long to ponder with upcoming release but still I shall ponder. I am not saying I dislike any part of it, but I do think only one vampire can save Laurie and that is Sharon's embrace, not the MC unless Sharon who has never done it tries to talk the newbie through it. Blind leading the Blind, so I think Sharon will follow her heart and make it work.
The Ivy angle is a new thought. She is a love interest so having Laurie scratch her eyes out and possibly snack her down might be ok if we had more time to invest feelings into Ivy. Since we have not, I think she is safe from Laurie at least. Sharon can stop Laurie with a glance and a word. The MC can Whisper her, which I think he would not choose to do unless it was a dire situation.
His Whisper is like owning a .44 in an apartment building. Sure it can blow away an intruder, but it can go through walls to kill neighbors with unintended consequences. I think we are starting to realize that with our blood doll attempt.
I think our first big time action scene is coming, and it will be Frank vs. MC, Merrick, Sharon, Andrew, Laurie, Carmen and Ivy. I think Laurie will get severely mauled, and while our enraged MC destroys Frank with a capital D, Sharon, knowing that her love for the MC would ask that she save Laurie, will embrace her to save her. This will have tons of comic relief as the two of them compete for MC love and Laurie's spunk gets almost a free pass as Sharon's childe to annoy the shit out of her mommy, which will annoy the MC not in the least by this point. Calisto shall be greatly entertained.
Just my theory.
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I highly doubt Frank is going to be an ally to us. Merrick said he was digging up something ancient. Frank has proven to us that he is actually digging up something in that Nos Hideout. I honestly think Frank is the first one to try to protect the ancient and also get diablerized by it, Just to kick-start her awakening. Then she notices our little friend group. She attacks Laurie mortally wounding her. Imo they retreat closing up the Nos hideout. Go back home and try to save Laurie she get turned and they save her undead live. then return to the nos hideout. While they return to the Nos hideout the Ancient is an a frenzy Frank didn't have enough blood to satisfy her craving. Our little team get's ready for the fight of there lives with back and forth blows. Our Mc awakens his inner beast scares everyone, Nobody knows what to do. Our MC diablerizes the Ancient that frank dug up and becomes even more powerful. end of episode
It all depends on how close to the source this story is kept. It seems obvious that they're digging out a sarcophagus, which is supposed to be dangerous, but it's not obvious how ancient vampires fit into the lore. Like, according to the source, the MC's ability to have multiple powers would put him in the 2nd generation of vampires, so even more powerful than anything they could be digging out. I think the MC will turn into a major player, when it turns out that he's an earlier generation than the other characters thought was possible, but I doubt that Callisto is the original vampire.
LikesBlondes seems to really be into the domination thing and this is the way for the MC to end up as vamp daddy. But I feel like it's too early in the story to already kill an ancient.
LikesBlondes seems to really be into the domination thing and this is the way for the MC to end up as vamp daddy. But I feel like it's too early in the story to already kill an ancient.
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We know from LikesBlondes that VisionGirl is a myth even for Calisto, thus Gen(VisionGirl) << Gen(Calisto) and Gen(MC)=Gen(Calisto+1), therefore MC would be at least a third Gen vampire.
In VTM the Antediluvians are 3rd generation vampires and the originators of the different clans. If the game is referencing this lore in any way, then the MC would be one generation earlier than the originators, because he can have powers of different clans. This game doesn't really have vampire clans other than the Nos, but it's keeping the tradition of the sire handing down their powers to the childe.
I think one big reveal is going to be that the MC is a very early generation vampire and thus more powerful than Sharon or Marcus and his clique, so he can be vampire daddy even though he's very young. But the question is how much of the antediluvian lore is going to get borrowed and how Callisto and the ancient vampire fit into this.
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We figured out that MC is a 5th gen, Calisto 4th gen, Vision girl a 2nd gen. and since we don't know who sired Calisto
If you go back trough this thread you find some more talk about generations also on why and how
Hi D3xzalias, whilst I agree that there have indeed been numerous speculations of proposed lineage on this thread, it is not as certain as you suggest. It may well be the the lineage follows the Cain originator with successive generations as you suggest (the VM model), but 'warriors of the gods' that can endow specific (perhaps different) powers does not easily fit into this format - which gods bestow which powers?- so it is not simply related to a bloodline that diverges from a single source with a dilution/separation of the powers with increasing generation. IMHO we just don't know yet, and I for one am happy to just wait and let the story unfold.
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One point is not up open to discussion:
VisionGirl is a myth even to Callisto herself and VisionGirl is not sire of Callisto. (confirmed canon by LikeBlondes)
Therefore MC can not be lower than Gen 3. This would mean VisionGirl (or similar vampire) would be the sire of Callisto. As this would be highly unlikely assume a few Gens between Callisto and VisionGirl the MC would be at around (given or take 3 to 5 gap for Callisto and VisionGirl) 5 to 7 Gen. Even that means VisionGirl would be a Gen 1 vampire.
Now I can't sleep tonight anymore.
VisionGirl is a myth even to Callisto herself and VisionGirl is not sire of Callisto. (confirmed canon by LikeBlondes)
Therefore MC can not be lower than Gen 3. This would mean VisionGirl (or similar vampire) would be the sire of Callisto. As this would be highly unlikely assume a few Gens between Callisto and VisionGirl the MC would be at around (given or take 3 to 5 gap for Callisto and VisionGirl) 5 to 7 Gen. Even that means VisionGirl would be a Gen 1 vampire.
Now I can't sleep tonight anymore.
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No no no no no no
The MC is NOT 2nd Generation.
The MC is in all likelihood 5th generation by the Source Materials
He was sired by a Methuselah and therefore has a lot more powers available from the start than most vampires develop in a few hundred years.
His Clan Disciplines at this point are Whispers, Whatever Claws is Part of, Obfuscation. He has demonstrated Auspex, Celerity, and the Visions power which is likely not part of Auspex but something else. It is perfectly acceptable to have lots of powers as a quasi elder which our MC is. Folks reading the crippled and mangled 5th edition for a guide need to put it where it belongs, in the trash can, and go back to the Second Edition books. I hate it when people want to spout stuff about VtM but use the 5th Edition as their reference. Onyx is not White Wolf. There is not enough creative talent left to come up with anything decent working for Onyx.
Frank probably is answering the call of another attractive and scary ancient, Inanna's sister Ereshkagal. Hopefully they will stop the digging before he gets too close, but I think he is going to stop digging to try and put Merrick down (he has seen too much) and the MC and company arrive to save his scaly ass.
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The MC is NOT 2nd Generation.
The MC is in all likelihood 5th generation by the Source Materials
He was sired by a Methuselah and therefore has a lot more powers available from the start than most vampires develop in a few hundred years.
His Clan Disciplines at this point are Whispers, Whatever Claws is Part of, Obfuscation. He has demonstrated Auspex, Celerity, and the Visions power which is likely not part of Auspex but something else. It is perfectly acceptable to have lots of powers as a quasi elder which our MC is. Folks reading the crippled and mangled 5th edition for a guide need to put it where it belongs, in the trash can, and go back to the Second Edition books. I hate it when people want to spout stuff about VtM but use the 5th Edition as their reference. Onyx is not White Wolf. There is not enough creative talent left to come up with anything decent working for Onyx.
Frank probably is answering the call of another attractive and scary ancient, Inanna's sister Ereshkagal. Hopefully they will stop the digging before he gets too close, but I think he is going to stop digging to try and put Merrick down (he has seen too much) and the MC and company arrive to save his scaly ass.
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YahOne point is not up open to discussion:
VisionGirl is a myth even to Callisto herself and VisionGirl is not sire of Callisto. (confirmed canon by LikeBlondes)
Therefore MC can not be lower than Gen 3. This would mean VisionGirl (or similar vampire) would be the sire of Callisto. As this would be highly unlikely assume a few Gens between Callisto and VisionGirl the MC would be at around (given or take 3 to 5 gap for Callisto and VisionGirl) 5 to 7 Gen. Even that means VisionGirl would be a Gen 1 vampire.
Now I can't sleep tonight anymore.
Vision Girl is not Calisto's Sire. She, as you point out, was a myth to Calisto. Calisto is a grand daughter at best. Probably further down.
There is an exhaustive discussion over several pages discussing this very topic, a hundred or so pages ago.
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Yeah multiple posts.... sorry!
Folks are posting fast lol
The actual Gods they are descended or empowered from could well be the Caine analogies here.
If that is the case then Inanna could be 1st generation, and that would lower everyone in our discussion by 1 generation.
However, in Sumerian Myth Inanna was not an original goddess, so she might have a sire out there..... or not..... who knows!?
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And my main reasons why I don't want to go trough all of this again. We do know much more since then and thus it doesn't make sense to discuss if MC if 1 to 5 Gen vampire (1 to 3 makes none sense at all). So, the only thing we could discuss about the MCs Gen is if he is a 5 to 42 Gen vampire.
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Hi Arigon, and yes I agree 'who knows'. 'The gods' also usually had/have rankings, originators and lineage, and I am not aware that any of the gods were made by man - let alone by Cain specifically. It is generally accepted that men, beasts and monsters were 'created by the gods or god'. Unfortunately there is not enough information in Rebirth to pin any of this down (and there might never be enough), but I can see how it can be convenient to juxtapose the lineage of the gods and their favourites onto the VM model for vampires.
The character in the inspirational material that very likely inspired this game was a 6th gen vampire whose sire abandoned him immediately after creation, with both the character and very nearly everyone else totally unaware of his sire's identity. His sire was a 2500 year old Greek vampire whose previous child was diabolized by an ambitious elder for their potent blood, which matches up well with Calisto, although the sire's gender and personality were different. So if we're going to assign a generation to the MC I think c3p0's 5th to 7th gen estimate fits.
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Hi BigStuffedTiger, yes I agree but only if you accept the premise 'assign a generation to the MC'. My comments above are based on the in-game commentary regarding 'warrior of the gods' etc. and I am not aware of any lineage in which man is a precursor of a god. This makes me question the VM fits all premise that appears so popular here, and as I have said I am happy just to go with the in-story flow and enjoy the VN to its conclusion without pre-conceptions.
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I quite agree. While my post followed yours it wasn't meant to be a reply to you specifically so much as commentary on the overall topic being discussed. The vampire origin story/mythology may well be different and the game doesn't ever use the word generation that I can recall. I doubt very much that Cain is the origin vamp in this story, but there very probably is an origin vamp, or perhaps several origin vamps. And it's pretty clear that generation does matter given the MC's power level despite being a baby vamp, and that young vamps like the MC are looked at as potential powerups by older more experienced vamps that lack the same potential because they're further removed from the origin vamp(s).