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Yes, you can have your opinion. turn away from the game. like I said, it's getting cheaper. and very creative especially the polls really an ULTIMATE improvement.
Ok it’s clear you don’t like the game like you said, so why are you still in this thread ? If i don’t like something i maybe leave one comment and i’m not seen there anymore. Every post you say the same thing over and over, it’s getting really annoying so please if you don’t like the game dont post anymore or atleast get creative with your answers :FacePalm:
 

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Ok it’s clear you don’t like the game like you said, so why are you still in this thread ? If i don’t like something i maybe leave one comment and i’m not seen there anymore. Every post you say the same thing over and over, it’s getting really annoying so please if you don’t like the game dont post anymore or atleast get creative with your answers :FacePalm:
maybe you should read the comets better and not just the youngest ones. So point on, I like the game, only the change, the massive change in the early sequences that are there now, killed it for me. and since I'm a long-time fan, even though I've got a lot to criticize about what IS MY RIGHT AND THE TRHEAD IS ALSO GOOD FOR SAYING A GAME AS WELL AS THE BAD (to mention the big shcirebne dine as with after duck said as not sensitive seemed to us to feel falsely white on germs) and what I also have against dien sitrich here is the attempt to hype it and people want to make the game better than it is. and then the beginning of wanting to secanize the negative critics. As I said before, I'm a fan so as such I hope so I like it better again but at times I see black there. like I'll check in here every now and then. and if you leave me alone and don't make me stupid from the start like one or the other has done or tried that would be really friendly thank you very much for the conversation please don't try, have a nice evening to you
 
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Ok it’s clear you don’t like the game like you said, so why are you still in this thread ? If i don’t like something i maybe leave one comment and i’m not seen there anymore. Every post you say the same thing over and over, it’s getting really annoying so please if you don’t like the game dont post anymore or atleast get creative with your answers :FacePalm:
I'm sorry, I don't want to offend, but you apparently have never been interested in psychology.

a person always reacts to what is already in him. more precisely, what is in a person forces him to react to what is happening not calmly, but more pronounced, more violently. so the skeletons in the closet rattle, so to speak.
How do you think, how do the two biblical sayings "do not judge - you will not be judged!" and "he who is without sin - throw a stone!" correlate? the one who has not sinned does not know how the sinner behaves, and therefore he will not be able to condemn him. and the one who has sinned - the more he does not have the right to judge.

so back to those who "do not like" - in fact, they simply did not understand themselves. and they don't "dislike" or rather they don't know why they feel resentment in such a situation. most likely there everything is more and more complicated, confusing. and actually the subject on which they think that they do not like it - in other circumstances, they might have liked it.

I will give an example from my own experience. just with this VN. at first, I was infuriated by the way the MC treated Emma - in fact, she ended up in slavery. but looking at what it all resulted in (MC and Emma essentially became lovers-conspirators, that is, secret lovers), I realized that I was wrong. but it helped me deal with another case of slavery in VN "reunion" where a woman also fell into slavery but that case made me erase VN from the disk and stay away from this VN because there is slavery combined with injustice and hatred - which I categorically cannot stand ...
so slavery to slavery is different. and it all depends on the circumstances.
yes, the MC did not treat Emma with hatred - he simply trained her, ignoring objections, but I did not notice manifestations of hatred towards her on his part - and therefore I calmly accepted this version of slavery.
however, it is worth taking a closer look, trying to put it on the shelves, sorting out things in your head, what exactly causes indignation. and why?

hint: often evil is not evil, but misunderstood good, with which a common language has not been found.

so the advice to leave the game if you don't like it is premature. let the person sort himself out. will understand himself. I perceive VN 18+ as a great tool for self-knowledge, for which you do not need to pay a lot of money to "smart uncles" who sit in their chairs with an important look and pretend that they help you deal with your psychological problems for a bribe, and not a small one at times.
how to understand? by comparison, as in my case, I compared slavery and slavery and found in the difference exactly what I specifically did not like, with which I did not agree.

sometimes it is enough for a person to throw out the negative and read what he himself wrote, to understand where he is mistaken.
and in general this thread is for communication on the topic of the game - here it is necessary to talk about what you like and what you don't like. your thoughts about the game and around the game.
 

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maybe you should read the comets better and not just the youngest ones. So point on, I like the game, only the change, the massive change in the early sequences that are there now, killed it for me. and since I'm a long-time fan, even though I've got a lot to criticize about what IS MY RIGHT AND THE TRHEAD IS ALSO GOOD FOR SAYING A GAME AS WELL AS THE BAD (to mention the big shcirebne dine as with after duck said as not sensitive seemed to us to feel falsely white on germs) and what I also have against dien sitrich here is the attempt to hype it and people want to make the game better than it is. and then the beginning of wanting to secanize the negative critics. As I said before, I'm a fan so as such I hope so I like it better again but at times I see black there. like I'll check in here every now and then. and if you leave me alone and don't make me stupid from the start like one or the other has done or tried that would be really friendly thank you very much for the conversation please don't try, have a nice evening to you
I’m not insulting you, but for you and anyone else to post I think basic english is a must. I can’t understand one sentence from the stuff you wrote, or the point you try to make, It’s only clear that you tried to write something bad about the game. So please, before you type something next time, atleast make it so we can guess what you want to say. :FacePalm:
 

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Has the developer said anything in relation to adding animations at a later stage, or is it out of the picture entirely?
 

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I'm sorry, I don't want to offend, but...
Ugh.. ..keyboard psychologists. Proof that a little knowledge is dangerous. Fine, let's dance the dance.

Example #1: "the one who has not sinned does not know how the sinner behaves, and therefore he will not be able to condemn him". You do not have to understand the motivation or psychological drive of the sinner in order to recognize that a sin has occurred and that a punitive measure must be applied to deter future occurrences.

Example #2: "and the one who has sinned - the more he does not have the right to judge". So two wrongs cancel out each other? If, according to scripture, we are all sinners, then we cannot punish anyone; because by your logic, that would be hypocritical? So. No jails/prisons/etc.. I must embrace murderers, rapists, and thieves because I stole an apple when I was 12 years old because I was starving?

Example #3: "those who "do not like" - in fact, they simply did not understand themselves". That is an over-simplification that extends beyond the immediate. Just the simple act of being able to declare "I like this." or "I don't like this." is demonstrating an understanding of oneself. Specifically, what an individual prefers. What you are positing is beyond the scope of understanding and delving into the motivation of those feelings; which is not the same thing. I may not like Pepsi. I don't need to understand the under lying reasons for that opinion. It's not something I have to reconcile or rectify. I'll just order a Coke. Your comment seems to suggest that your method for coping with someone that doesn't like something you like, it to label that person as "out of touch" with themselves; which in turn then validates your liking it because you're so self-aware and in touch with your psyche.

Example #4: "so slavery to slavery is different. and it all depends on the circumstances". This one is so out there that I don't know where to start.
Let's be clear. Slavery, or more specifically "control", is not subjective. For the individual on the receiving end, it's not about choice. I'm not referring to masochists or individuals with self-destructive fetishes. I'm talking about individuals that if given a choice would opt out of what ever is being done to them. Forced, involuntary control is about power at the expense of another individuals choice. That control manifests in many different ways including: psychological, physical, sexual, subliminal, indirect or collateral, consequential, etc.. Each of those methods involves motivations that are extremely diverse. However, the one factor that appears in almost all cases where one individual exercises involuntary control over another is a lack of empathy. Complete indifference to the impact of the actions being taken on the one being controlled. So, the MC in "Restore Her Career" acted without malice? He didn't hate Emma, so his actions were tolerable? Well, from your earlier assumptions, maybe "he" just doesn't understand himself well enough. By "he" I am of course referring to the player; because in order for you to see the scenes where Emma was forced into "anything", it was you that had to get to those scenes through choices. That leads me to my final point...

The MC in this game is guided by player choices; which is not entirely true. Yes, the player can make a choice, but to fully experience this game and partake in all of its contents, the player needs to go down all the dark paths. Otherwise, why are you playing? Let's be honest with ourselves. This game isn't "Animal Crossing". We aren't here to pet puppies and grow vegetables. If the story starts to get too difficult for the player to cope with the story, then the player can simply stop playing. However, the player can't then condemn the developer for taking them down those dark paths. They chose those paths on their own. Whether they did so because of morbid curiosity, a test of their own limits, or simply the desire to dip their toes into the pool of their own depravity, but not go into the deep end, is irrelevant. It was their choice. The developer simply presented them options; the very first of which was to play the game at all. We all know why we're here. To play games like this. This game doesn't come preinstalled on your hardware. It doesn't auto-launch at start. It doesn't impede your ability to use your devices by demanding you to first stick a strawberry flavored double-ended jelly dong up Emma's ass without her permission.

I'm here because Nietzsche gave me the green light to explore my darker nature, Schopenhauer helped me realize that fighting those tendencies was pointless, and Alfred E. Newman taught me not to give a shit if anyone has a problem with that.
 

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You do not have to understand the motivation or psychological drive of the sinner in order to recognize that a sin has occurred and that a punitive measure must be applied to deter future occurrences.
MC from Waifu Academy said "when you constantly wear mask - you start see other who wear mask"

OK, do you know the expression that a fisherman sees another fisherman even from afar? now let's start the "proof by contradiction"
if you are not a fisherman and have never fished, then how do you know why a person has a long stick with a rope at the end and what he is doing near the pond? and how the hell did he get a whole bucket of fish???
when you know the whole "technological chain" (any, absolutely) thoroughly, then you can definitely say by looking at any technological operation from this chain what is happening at the moment. is not it?

the same with the procedure of sinning - this is the same technological chain as fishing, or snow removal. it requires tools, fixtures, time and place, and raw materials...
 

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Ugh.. ..keyboard psychologists. Proof that a little knowledge is dangerous. Fine, let's dance the dance.

Example #1: "the one who has not sinned does not know how the sinner behaves, and therefore he will not be able to condemn him". You do not have to understand the motivation or psychological drive of the sinner in order to recognize that a sin has occurred and that a punitive measure must be applied to deter future occurrences.

Example #2: "and the one who has sinned - the more he does not have the right to judge". So two wrongs cancel out each other? If, according to scripture, we are all sinners, then we cannot punish anyone; because by your logic, that would be hypocritical? So. No jails/prisons/etc.. I must embrace murderers, rapists, and thieves because I stole an apple when I was 12 years old because I was starving?

Example #3: "those who "do not like" - in fact, they simply did not understand themselves". That is an over-simplification that extends beyond the immediate. Just the simple act of being able to declare "I like this." or "I don't like this." is demonstrating an understanding of oneself. Specifically, what an individual prefers. What you are positing is beyond the scope of understanding and delving into the motivation of those feelings; which is not the same thing. I may not like Pepsi. I don't need to understand the under lying reasons for that opinion. It's not something I have to reconcile or rectify. I'll just order a Coke. Your comment seems to suggest that your method for coping with someone that doesn't like something you like, it to label that person as "out of touch" with themselves; which in turn then validates your liking it because you're so self-aware and in touch with your psyche.

Example #4: "so slavery to slavery is different. and it all depends on the circumstances". This one is so out there that I don't know where to start.
Let's be clear. Slavery, or more specifically "control", is not subjective. For the individual on the receiving end, it's not about choice. I'm not referring to masochists or individuals with self-destructive fetishes. I'm talking about individuals that if given a choice would opt out of what ever is being done to them. Forced, involuntary control is about power at the expense of another individuals choice. That control manifests in many different ways including: psychological, physical, sexual, subliminal, indirect or collateral, consequential, etc.. Each of those methods involves motivations that are extremely diverse. However, the one factor that appears in almost all cases where one individual exercises involuntary control over another is a lack of empathy. Complete indifference to the impact of the actions being taken on the one being controlled. So, the MC in "Restore Her Career" acted without malice? He didn't hate Emma, so his actions were tolerable? Well, from your earlier assumptions, maybe "he" just doesn't understand himself well enough. By "he" I am of course referring to the player; because in order for you to see the scenes where Emma was forced into "anything", it was you that had to get to those scenes through choices. That leads me to my final point...

The MC in this game is guided by player choices; which is not entirely true. Yes, the player can make a choice, but to fully experience this game and partake in all of its contents, the player needs to go down all the dark paths. Otherwise, why are you playing? Let's be honest with ourselves. This game isn't "Animal Crossing". We aren't here to pet puppies and grow vegetables. If the story starts to get too difficult for the player to cope with the story, then the player can simply stop playing. However, the player can't then condemn the developer for taking them down those dark paths. They chose those paths on their own. Whether they did so because of morbid curiosity, a test of their own limits, or simply the desire to dip their toes into the pool of their own depravity, but not go into the deep end, is irrelevant. It was their choice. The developer simply presented them options; the very first of which was to play the game at all. We all know why we're here. To play games like this. This game doesn't come preinstalled on your hardware. It doesn't auto-launch at start. It doesn't impede your ability to use your devices by demanding you to first stick a strawberry flavored double-ended jelly dong up Emma's ass without her permission.

I'm here because Nietzsche gave me the green light to explore my darker nature, Schopenhauer helped me realize that fighting those tendencies was pointless, and Alfred E. Newman taught me not to give a shit if anyone has a problem with that.
Bible versus in a porn game forum?
 

ramvivat

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Bible versus in a porn game forum?
hell why not? =)

this is just a source of examples of actions that many may have read at one time. I could also quote Jack London, but I'm not sure if there are his fans here, you can quote, for example, Erich Maria Remarque, or John Steinbeck - but how many of those who will meet understanding in what I'm quoting? so if not literally, then essentially quoting the bible is a good source of arguments.
 
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