VN Ren'Py Ripples [v0.8.0 Public] [Jestur]

[Simpgor]

What if, and I mean what if, this game traveled through more than one timeline?
Like I mentioned before, this isn't the first time the MC has saved Tiffany at the school, which means that the MC of the future timeline saved Tiffany before the MC even experienced the time he traveled through, and if I remember correctly, Liz transferred to the school a year ago?
We can make an assumption that the controller in the Mystic's hand can pinpoint the time traveled, and this will definitely be in the MC's hand in the future, so is it possible that the MC could have traveled to a timeline a few years after 1999 if he used it incorrectly the first time? Maybe meet Liz at that time?

i think you missed my issue with your point which was: How did lizzie enroll into the 2018-2019 or 2019-2020 school year (cant reemeber how school years work )

she would need documents proving stuff about her? I assume I have never enrolled a kid in school so maybe you can just show up and say "i go here now"

Edit: Thinking about it a hole in your logic around Darci is that her family would have to be keeping time travel from her, or she has ungodly acting ability and can utterly fool someone that has known her for her years. You also seem to forget that every single instance of time travel we have seen has been accompanied by some weird noise/lights (even shit ninja) and yet dari never noticed the strange blue light coming from under the door? If she knows about time travel she would have to act in such a way that the MC knows she doesn't believe but still think that if he got evidence that she would change her mind. Really easy to do naturally (i dont believe time travel without proof either) but almost impossible to mainuplate someone into doing that exact thing which i assume was done so that aunt jenny can see him burying that stuff specifically on that night (because otherwise why act like you might change your mind?

 

[Deisp]

i think you missed my issue with your point which was: How did lizzie enroll into the 2018-2019 or 2019-2020 school year (cant reemeber how school years work )

she would need documents proving stuff about her? I assume I have never enrolled a kid in school so maybe you can just show up and say "i go here now"

Edit: Thinking about it a hole in your logic around Darci is that her family would have to be keeping time travel from her, or she has ungodly acting ability and can utterly fool someone that has known her for her years. You also seem to forget that every single instance of time travel we have seen has been accompanied by some weird noise/lights (even shit ninja) and yet dari never noticed the strange blue light coming from under the door? If she knows about time travel she would have to act in such a way that the MC knows she doesn't believe but still think that if he got evidence that she would change her mind. Really easy to do naturally (i dont believe time travel without proof either) but almost impossible to mainuplate someone into doing that exact thing which i assume was done so that aunt jenny can see him burying that stuff specifically on that night (because otherwise why act like you might change your mind?

First of all about LIZZY, there's really no need to get too hung up on that point on the supporting documentation, maybe Skylar did it for her, or maybe it was the two women who slept with Brad? Also you are right, but I still maintain my opinion on the lizzy issue.
As for Darci, I think maybe you missed my point.
We should split the timeline into 3
1, present, 18 year old MC, Darci, and classmates
2, Future, shit ninja, mystic , and maybe Ms. Gilmore?
3, past, the moms of the classmates

Along those lines.
2 has been through what 1 is going through now, and went back in time and maybe changed things.
1 is now experiencing, what 2 once experienced, and goes back in time to set time back to what it was.
Some 3 is aware of 1's existence because of 2's influence, and helps, or prevents 1 from carrying out the task.

If this is true, then one can speculate like this
shit ninja=2 darci, mystic=2 MC

 

[Maviarab]

First of all about LIZZY, there's really no need to get too hung up on that point on the supporting documentation, maybe Skylar did it for her, or maybe it was the two women who slept with Brad? Also you are right, but I still maintain my opinion on the lizzy issue.
As for Darci, I think maybe you missed my point.
We should split the timeline into 3
1, present, 18 year old MC, Darci, and classmates
2, Future, shit ninja, mystic , and maybe Ms. Gilmore?
3, past, the moms of the classmates

Along those lines.
2 has been through what 1 is going through now, and went back in time and maybe changed things.
1 is now experiencing, what 2 once experienced, and goes back in time to set time back to what it was.
Some 3 is aware of 1's existence because of 2's influence, and helps, or prevents 1 from carrying out the task.

If this is true, then one can speculate like this
shit ninja=2 darci, mystic=2 MC

Slight flaw on one part of your theory...is that we already know...relevent things seemingly cannot be changed. The MC has tried, twice. Superflous non consequential stuff (like a persons name) can be changed. So what exactly (based on information provided as fact, within the story) did she/they change?

 

[Simpgor]

First of all about LIZZY, there's really no need to get too hung up on that point on the supporting documentation, maybe Skylar did

There is a need to get hung up on the point of "how is she in school". We know for a fact that Jestur intends for her to be going to school as is normal because we see is grouped up for projects with normal students, which means there is nothing going on with her (as far as the evil principal/any teachers know). Since we know she is enrolled as normal we have to ask how that happened if she is from 20 years ago.

I might be mistaken but isnt the masked person shorter than MC? I could be confused and they might be the same height but i feel like the scene where you ask them a bunch of questions in front of the time machine frames them as being a tiny bit shorter? I dont have the game downloaded to check and that could just be a rendering quirk but even if they are the same height you still have the "problem" that we have seen MC try to change things and them having no effect unless it was something "small" (however i recall even that not being real and her name never changing it was just darci and her messing with you?) maybe Maviarab recalls it more clearly than me though

 

[Dessolos]

I have nothing to back this up other than a feeling. But I always suspected the mask guy is actually the MC but alot older. That or his dad. But my guess is more leaning towards the MC.

 

[Deisp]

Slight flaw on one part of your theory...is that we already know...relevent things seemingly cannot be changed. The MC has tried, twice. Superflous non consequential stuff (like a persons name) can be changed. So what exactly (based on information provided as fact, within the story) did she/they change?

Yes! All viewpoints are overridden by this argument, because jestur tells us through the mystic that what happened in the past, the outcome does not change. But that in itself contradicts what the mystic told the MC to go back to the past a second time to do. Does that mean that if the MC does or doesn't do it, then the outcome will be different? And if all timelines are cyclic, that means there have been countless "MCs" trying to go back to the past over and over again to try to change things, and after countless experiences, some things must be done and some things must not be done, but the MC going back to the past is inevitable, and the mysterious man's appearance and his role are to The appearance of the mysterious man and his role is to tell the MC what must be done and what must not be done?

 

[Simpgor]

I have nothing to back this up other than a feeling. But I always suspected the mask guy is actually the MC but alot older. That or his dad. But my guess is more leaning towards the MC.

I have a hard time imagining him as the dad because (again from memory) the masked person looks smaller than the dad? (like his model is closer to MC than the cuck husband but the dads model is closer to the cuck husband) but mainly that the masked person acted pretty casual for meeting his son for the first time in 20 years or however long because of time shenanigans but i guess the dad could be acting for "the greater good" or whatever

 

[SgtCrise]

Just wanted to thank Jestur for this. I don't laugh much lately and this shit caught me off guard. Great writing so far.

 

[Dessolos]

I have a hard time imagining him as the dad because (again from memory) the masked person looks smaller than the dad? (like his model is closer to MC than the cuck husband but the dads model is closer to the cuck husband) but mainly that the masked person acted pretty casual for meeting his son for the first time in 20 years or however long because of time shenanigans but i guess the dad could be acting for "the greater good" or whatever

yeah that's why I more lean towards it being an older version of the MC. I'm just not ruling out the dad possibility either tho.

 

[Maviarab]

There is a need to get hung up on the point of "how is she in school". We know for a fact that Jestur intends for her to be going to school as is normal because we see is grouped up for projects with normal students, which means there is nothing going on with her (as far as the evil principal/any teachers know). Since we know she is enrolled as normal we have to ask how that happened if she is from 20 years ago.

I might be mistaken but isnt the masked person shorter than MC? I could be confused and they might be the same height but i feel like the scene where you ask them a bunch of questions in front of the time machine frames them as being a tiny bit shorter? I dont have the game downloaded to check and that could just be a rendering quirk but even if they are the same height you still have the "problem" that we have seen MC try to change things and them having no effect unless it was something "small" (however i recall even that not being real and her name never changing it was just darci and her messing with you?) maybe Maviarab recalls it more clearly than me though

If you don't return the necklace...then Krystal's name changes (or is it the other way around...). When you meet her and Darci in school...Darci then make note of you calling her the wrong name and IIRC (been a while without checking) she then makes a joke about it outside the house later.

I think...lol..been a while since last played that section.

 

[Dessolos]

I'm still a bit confused on the name change thing cause it seemed like it was them playing a prank and they weren't at the same time.

 

[Simpgor]

I'm still a bit confused on the name change thing cause it seemed like it was them playing a prank and they weren't at the same time.

If you don't return the necklace...then Krystal's name changes (or is it the other way around...). When you meet her and Darci in school...Darci then make note of you calling her the wrong name and IIRC (been a while without checking) she then makes a joke about it outside the house later.

I think...lol..been a while since last played that section.

Yeah we are all aware that it happened but none of us are "100" which part stuck or was fake I think i recall the name she is called in game switching around (like adding a ? iirc)

i view it as having not worked because at the start of the game she has (X) name and now she has (x) name which is the same? Unless she had the changed name until MC went to the past for the 2nd time and then it went back?

I feel like the first time I played through it (update 4 was most recent) that i didnt even 100% understand what had happened

 

[EJW]

I think Dev. put the name change in to show you can change the past. Just my opinion.

 

[Simpgor]

I think Dev. put the name change in to show you can change the past. Just my opinion.

we all agree that her name changing would show that you can change stuff but we cant 100% recall the exact order of events and what their ramification were

 

[EJW]

Before mc goes back to the past her name is Crystal. When mc goes to the past if you give the necklace to her mom then nothing changes. If mc gives necklace to rightful owner then a name change. Not to hard to figure out.

 

[Simpgor]

Before mc goes back to the past her name is Crystal. When mc goes to the past if you give the necklace to her mom then nothing changes. If mc gives necklace to rightful owner then a name change. Not to hard to figure out.

it also is not "to" hard to figure out that you did not need to add that last part. Not everyone replays a game every update so some of us might not have replayed that scene for up to or over a year, combine that with the fact that we might play other games (some) more recently, and even you should be able to figure out why it isnt "to" hard to figure out why we forgot.

Thank you for verifying that info but dont try "to" hard to help me in particular at all in the future

 

[Dessolos]

Before mc goes back to the past her name is Crystal. When mc goes to the past if you give the necklace to her mom then nothing changes. If mc gives necklace to rightful owner then a name change. Not to hard to figure out.

You do know not everyone replays the game every update and might just play the new content. With playing other games it's easy to forget a small detail no reason to be rude about it.

 

[EJW]

Just let you know I have play the part twice. I didn't me to offend anyone I'm having a bad day. I just remembered it because that is what set the mc to knowing he can change the past.

 

[ThorinKing]

Before mc goes back to the past her name is Crystal. When mc goes to the past if you give the necklace to her mom then nothing changes. If mc gives necklace to rightful owner then a name change. Not to hard to figure out.

it also is not "to" hard to figure out that you did not need to add that last part. Not everyone replays a game every update so some of us might not have replayed that scene for up to or over a year, combine that with the fact that we might play other games (some) more recently, and even you should be able to figure out why it isnt "to" hard to figure out why we forgot.

Thank you for verifying that info but dont try "to" hard to help me in particular at all in the future

Also, it's Krystal, not "Crystal", and the name change is only temporary. Been over a year since I did that part of the run, but they were calling her by her middle name to prank MC (if you gave the crystal to Scarlet), but, after that one scene, the next day at school, her name goes back to "Krystal".

 

[Brannon]

The MC tried twice to convince Jenny to not work at the power plant which apparently she had no desire to do in the first place.
That it did not work and she still died working in that power plant is the reason why "the future can't be changed in big ways!" is floating around as a theory. That and many players believed the explanation of the masked guy, who if my theories are correct is part of the bad guys.

What people forget is how much time is left between the MC convincing Jenny and Jenny actually starting to work there. There could have been a number of events or persons trying to convince her to do start working there.
Last but not least how strange MC behaved, including burying a safe in the woods and going to the power plant he told her not to go under any circumstances.
Since Jenny was inquisitive, adventurous and headstrong she likely started to work there to figure out where the love of her life vanished to.
The MC is about to go to the past the third time meaning he will try a third time to convince Jenny not to do something she had no plans of doing in the first place.
Stubborn people have the tendency to do the opposite of what they were asked to do and judging from Tiffanies stories Jenny was. Meaning MC has the possibility he started what he was trying to prevent, but it ultimately had nothing to do with time travel.

Ultimately meaning the theory the masked man explained to MC in the cave may not be true at all and he "just" failed to convince Jenny.
That is why I am of the thought that MC is the father of at least some of the girls.