VN Ren'Py Ripples [v0.7.0 Public] [Jestur]

[JoeTheMC84]

Travelling back in time is impossible because of the paradoxes it creates. If you build a time machine to go back in time to do something, once it's done, you no longer needed to build the time machine, so you never built it, which means you never went back in time.

That is actually not accurate, what I mean is that, yes, *if* you built a time machine to do a single task then when that was done it would create a paradox. For example, builds time machine specifically to kill Hitler, goes kills Hitler, no need for time machine, = paradox.

However, while this is the usually "paradox" example given in movies and stories it is *very* easy to break out of. If the time machine was built simply to build a time machine and be able to go back in time (independent of a specific purpose) the paradox is nullified. You would always build the time machine because your goal was just to build a time machine. And short of removing yourself from the equation via past action there is no paradox that would remove the time machine from existence.

It's the obvious answer that most movies and stories miss. And even some actual theoretical physicists miss it too. The creator of the time machine who is doing it just to have done it. Nothing done in the past, outside of them no longer being, would stop them because they would always just want to build a time machine because they wanted to. It is the most likely way it would be done anyway. The inventors of most things aren't doing it for a specific reason, but simply because they can. And if that was the case with time travel then that motive is immutable by past actions.

In fact, this removes nearly all paradoxes.

Of course, an accidental time machine (as seems to be the case with this one) also removes most paradoxes as well. Since, for example, Jenny or the MC's dad working at the lab wouldn't actually change much other than their outcome from the accident. The power plant would still exist, the collider would still be there, and the experiments would still be done. Thus, the time machine created by the accident would still likely come about, just perhaps at a slightly later or earlier date, but with time machines the exact date of its creation is largely irrelevant to the impact it can have on the timeline.

 

[Son of Durin]

That is actually not accurate, what I mean is that, yes, *if* you built a time machine to do a single task then when that was done it would create a paradox. For example, builds time machine specifically to kill Hitler, goes kills Hitler, no need for time machine, = paradox.

However, while this is the usually "paradox" example given in movies and stories it is *very* easy to break out of. If the time machine was built simply to build a time machine and be able to go back in time (independent of a specific purpose) the paradox is nullified. You would always build the time machine because your goal was just to build a time machine. And short of removing yourself from the equation via past action there is no paradox that would remove the time machine from existence.

It's the obvious answer that most movies and stories miss. And even some actual theoretical physicists miss it too. The creator of the time machine who is doing it just to have done it. Nothing done in the past, outside of them no longer being, would stop them because they would always just want to build a time machine because they wanted to. It is the most likely way it would be done anyway. The inventors of most things aren't doing it for a specific reason, but simply because they can. And if that was the case with time travel then that motive is immutable by past actions.

In fact, this removes nearly all paradoxes.

Of course, an accidental time machine (as seems to be the case with this one) also removes most paradoxes as well. Since, for example, Jenny or the MC's dad working at the lab wouldn't actually change much other than their outcome from the accident. The power plant would still exist, the collider would still be there, and the experiments would still be done. Thus, the time machine created by the accident would still likely come about, just perhaps at a slightly later or earlier date, but with time machines the exact date of its creation is largely irrelevant to the impact it can have on the timeline.

One issue I see with going back in time and creating a paradox is that the further you go back, the more likely you are to cancel yourself. Now, maybe your team will still create a time machine and do other things, but you won't be part of it and then they'll go back and change other things that might bring you back into the equation while cancelling one or more of themselves.

For example, you kill Hitler, but one of the people Hitler killed, or otherwise died during WW2, turned out to be a rotten SOB that kills your father or grandfather before you are conceived, or courted your grandmother and married her, preventing your grandfather from doing so (unless he was the milkman or mailman and your grandma was a ho). If you go back centuries or millennia and take out someone like Mohammed, maybe you prevent 9/11 and the conflicts that followed, but you've also changed the entire fabric of the world since there would be no crusades, no Templars, maybe no Masons, and then the number of people that can kill off or hook up an ancestor instead of the one that did originally increase exponentially, decreasing your chance of existence exponentially.

Observing history via time travel would be an interesting concept; attempting to change it too far back would likely be an unmitigated disaster.

 

[Haggis McMutton]

After thinking about it I realized that my daughter theory is probably wrong. Because than the plot of the game wouldn't work without incest and since there is an incest-patch, that can't be the case.

On the topic of time-travel in general I found an article about a paper written by a physicist and an undergraduate in 2020, which suggest paradox-free time travel should be possible. I've linked both of them below.
According to the authors of the paper, time travel without causing a paradox should be possible, but the timeline would basically fix itself. So in the case of killing Hitler someone else would take up the mantle so to say.

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[sageproduct]

The branching timelines aren't alternate realities, per se. Alternative realities are the multiverses that have become popular in movies and books. I agree, though, that the branching timelines is the best, if not the only, way to use time travel in stores. I don't think the dev is going in that direction, though.

I'm thinking that those nightmares might be him remembering what happened to him at the explosion, which would point to him being his own dad. I hope that isn't the case unless it is explained really well.

Yeah, alternate universes/timelines are definitely the simplest way to handle time travel in fiction, as you easily avoid any logic issues.

However, all signs here point to one timeline, NOT alternate realities, with some degree of determinism. More philosophy, less logic. There's a core explanation of "what if?" and whether the characters believe it's deterministic or not.

Think Steins;Gate. For fuck's sake, it's referenced in the novel itself! And Einstein's poster in the classroom

 

[JaxMan]

Yeah, alternate universes/timelines are definitely the simplest way to handle time travel in fiction, as you easily avoid any logic issues.

However, all signs here point to one timeline, NOT alternate realities, with some degree of determinism. More philosophy, less logic. There's a core explanation of "what if?" and whether the characters believe it's deterministic or not.

Think Steins;Gate. For fuck's sake, it's referenced in the novel itself! And Einstein's poster in the classroom

Never heard of Stein's Gate. Read a plot summary and it's seems totally illogical and contrived. Part of the problem with that story is that once he achieved his goal, what's to stop someone else from changing it again in the future, you end up with something like Groundhog Day, except it's a timeline that keeps being replayed over and over.

 

[Tavi13]

Because than the plot of the game wouldn't work without incest and since there is an incest-patch, that can't be the case.

It would still work since the patch is (currently) for Tiffany, Jessica, and Jenny content. Whether it will be needed for others in the future remains to be seen.

 

[Haggis McMutton]

It would still work since the patch is (currently) for Tiffany, Jessica, and Jenny content. Whether it will be needed for others in the future remains to be seen.

I was thinking it wouldn't work, because the patch only exchanges a few words. That's how these patches work, right?
But having to remove incest that's baked into the story seems like an impossible task.

 

[UnoriginalUserName]

Maybe it's a stupid question, but... are Tiffany and Jessica mom and sister to the MC respectively or is it just a patch?

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[sageproduct]

Never heard of Stein's Gate. Read a plot summary and it's seems totally illogical and contrived. Part of the problem with that story is that once he achieved his goal, what's to stop someone else from changing it again in the future, you end up with something like Groundhog Day, except it's a timeline that keeps being replayed over and over.

That's exactly the point. Anytime you only do a single timeline, you have to take the time travel more philosophically than logically. The author's choice of time travel mechanic is essentially a genre choice for their work.

Like the famous Back to the Future series. They're well aware of logic problems and therefore don't discuss the mechanics of time travel at all.

Steins;Gate is one of the most well-known and highly regarded anime of the 2010s (I don't personally hold it quite that high, but I'm reporting public opinion not my own). Not saying this as an insult: you have to be pretty unfamiliar with the anime industry to not even have heard of it.

It's like this generation's Death Note. Not everyone's seen it, but everyone knows it.

EDIT: wording

 

[Haggis McMutton]

Steins;Gate is one of the most well-known and highly regarded anime of the 2010s (I don't personally hold it quite that high, but I'm reporting public opinion not my own). Not saying this as an insult: you have to be pretty unfamiliar with the anime industry to not even have heard of it.

It's like this generation's Death Note. Not everyone's seen it, but everyone knows it.

To be fair Steins;Gate aired over 10 years ago. I know plenty of people who've never heard of shows that were really popular only a couple years earlier. Especially with how bloated the industry has become over the last 10 years or so.

Never heard of Stein's Gate. Read a plot summary and it's seems totally illogical and contrived. Part of the problem with that story is that once he achieved his goal, what's to stop someone else from changing it again in the future, you end up with something like Groundhog Day, except it's a timeline that keeps being replayed over and over.

I'll admit it doesn't have the most coherent plot, especially if you've only read a summary. While I definitely don't regard it as highly as others do (I'm more into stuff from the late 90s early 2000s personally), it's certainly not a bad anime. As sageproduct said it's really popular and at least it's better than a lot of the generic trash we're subjected to these days.
So I suggest you give it a watch, if you've got free time and nothing else to do.

 

[sageproduct]

After thinking about it I realized that my daughter theory is probably wrong. Because than the plot of the game wouldn't work without incest and since there is an incest-patch, that can't be the case.

On the topic of time-travel in general I found an article about a paper written by a physicist and an undergraduate in 2020, which suggest paradox-free time travel should be possible. I've linked both of them below.
According to the authors of the paper, time travel without causing a paradox should be possible, but the timeline would basically fix itself. So in the case of killing Hitler someone else would take up the mantle so to say.

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Dude, thanks so much for linking these. Blew my mind. I don't understand a bit of the physics or math of course, but logically it makes perfect sense.

Who would have ever thought that the most "philosophical" approach to time travel of "you can't change the past" could actually be true. And it's perfectly logical if you approach the universe from a physicalist, determinist point of view.

I checked out the link in that first article to the suggestion that Stephen Hawking believed time travel could be possible.

If this is all true and correct, then time travel would still be immensely valuable. Not for changing the past, but for researching the past in order to affect the future.

 

[PhlebasThePhoenician]

I came for the story, remained for the porn.
Ripples' sex scenes are simply amazing.

 

[kittenhead]

I really enjoyed this game, I think removing sexual as much sexual content from the first chapter really helped the characters develop. It made it feel more like a story and less like a sex game. The writing is fantastic, some minor errors here and there "joke slam". But this game made me laugh out loud, and the sex scenes were really nice. Fantastic game and honestly easily my top 3, possibly one once it finishes.

 

[KanyeT]

Yeah, alternate universes/timelines are definitely the simplest way to handle time travel in fiction, as you easily avoid any logic issues.

However, all signs here point to one timeline, NOT alternate realities, with some degree of determinism. More philosophy, less logic. There's a core explanation of "what if?" and whether the characters believe it's deterministic or not.

Think Steins;Gate. For fuck's sake, it's referenced in the novel itself! And Einstein's poster in the classroom

That's how Avengers Endgame handled it, except they fucked it at the end by having Captain America rock up on a random park bench out of the blue.

 

[Thedarklord314]

I think i'm inlove with young Scarlette

 

[JaxMan]

That's how Avengers Endgame handled it, except they fucked it at the end by having Captain America rock up on a random park bench out of the blue.

They messed it up by saying that if you bring all the stones back to the exact time you took them it would reset all the different branching timelines back to the original timeline they created by taking them (of course if it does than Thanos wins again). That whole movie was a clusterfuck trying to undo the first movie.

 

[Tavi13]

I was thinking it wouldn't work, because the patch only exchanges a few words. That's how these patches work, right?
But having to remove incest that's baked into the story seems like an impossible task.

As far as I know, that is correct. The patches just change some wording.
I don't know anything about creating vn's/games, so someone that actually knows what they are doing with coding will have to correct me if I am wrong, but I think it could still work the same way it works now.
For all of the kids with missing fathers:
Unpatched that would say the same, dear old dad ran off/died/got dumped/was unknown/whatever.
Patched the MC becomes the missing dad.

I really don't know how hard it would be to do; but since "dad" (whoever he ends up being) would still be missing in either case, it seems like it would still just be a wording change. Very few, if any, actualscenes to make or rework.

I don't think all of the kids will end up being his in any case, we already know Jessica isn't, and right now the timing doesn't work for any of them to be his. That will depend on how many times he actually ends up going back though, and over how long a time period.
Someone else here mentioned the timing as well, but I am not awake enough to go see who it was.

 

[Haggis McMutton]

Dude, thanks so much for linking these. Blew my mind. I don't understand a bit of the physics or math of course, but logically it makes perfect sense.

Who would have ever thought that the most "philosophical" approach to time travel of "you can't change the past" could actually be true. And it's perfectly logical if you approach the universe from a physicalist, determinist point of view.

I checked out the link in that first article to the suggestion that Stephen Hawking believed time travel could be possible.

If this is all true and correct, then time travel would still be immensely valuable. Not for changing the past, but for researching the past in order to affect the future.

Yeah I also found them extremely fascinating. Though I don't understand much about the physics of it myself.
I just really like stories about time-traveling and the thought that it might actually be possible, even if it's only in theory, spurs my imagination.
Just imagine you could go back in time and witness the rise of greek or roman civilization or going even further back to ancient mesopotamia. The biggest issue would probably be the language barrier, but still actually seeing what the past was really like would be awesome.

 

[DirtyMario]

Can anyone independently confirm that the Mega link from OP contains a folder called Ripples 0.4.6. and inside is a folder called Ripples 0.4.5.? After starting the game it says 0.4.5. ingame too. Do I need to report that?

 

[JaxMan]

Can anyone independently confirm that the Mega link from OP contains a folder called Ripples 0.4.6. and inside is a folder called Ripples 0.4.5.? After starting the game it says 0.4.5. ingame too. Do I need to report that?

No, he knows about it. He just missed updating the version number in a couple places.