VN Ren'Py Ripples [v0.8.0] [Jestur]

[Meiri]

I feel like Jestur's talent is being somewhat wasted by sticking with HS1. If he can make HS1 look this good imagine what he can do with HS2. Does Jestur have any plans to upgrade/switch to HS2 at some point?

First let him finish Ripples, then he can do whatever he wants

 

[Padorublad3]

I feel like Jestur's talent is being somewhat wasted by sticking with HS1. If he can make HS1 look this good imagine what he can do with HS2

Not really,even if they have the same name,they are still two different games using other mods for the same things

Does Jestur have any plans to upgrade/switch to HS2 at some point?

I doubt it will happen until Ripples is done,and then we will see
And what if he decides to use daz instead of hs,so he could sell his games on steam

 

[Walter Victor]

First let him finish Ripples, then he can do whatever he wants

Exactly. If he changed to HS2 now for the next update, everybody would notice and many would bitch about the difference.

So, he would have to go back to change every render in the game to maintain continuity. I doubt that anyone who is playing the game would like to have to wait for that.

 

[cbarc]

Exactly. If he changed to HS2 now for the next update, everybody would notice and many would bitch about the difference.

So, he would have to go back to change every render in the game to maintain continuity. I doubt that anyone who is playing the game would like to have to wait for that.

On the other hand, you can't stay in HS1 forever. If we're waiting for Ripples to end, when will that be? 5+ years at the rate we're going?

I don't know what the future holds. Will HS2 keep improving and can HS1 keep up with all the mods? only time will tell. But still using HS1 in 2030 and beyond is a scary thought. Tech moves fast.

 

[Derek in a Bush]

On the other hand, you can't stay in HS1 forever. If we're waiting for Ripples to end, when will that be? 5+ years at the rate we're going?

I don't know what the future holds. Will HS2 keep improving and can HS1 keep up with all the mods? only time will tell. But still using HS1 in 2030 and beyond is a scary thought. Tech moves fast.

Lol, even if so, its Jesturs call

 

[Daermon420]

On the other hand, you can't stay in HS1 forever.

Who says? This game looks fucking great as is, and changing it to make it look very slightly better seems like it'd be a huge waste of time. Especially since as Walter Victor points out, for continuity sake Jestur would have to re-render the entire game. Changing to HS2 without doing that you'd be left with a very jarring style change once you hit that point in a playthrough, which is never a good thing.

Is there some AVN rulebook somewhere I didn't know about that says you can't keep using the engine you've already successfully been using for years to make a great looking game once X number of years pass?

But still using HS1 in 2030 and beyond is a scary thought.

Even if this game is still being made and not completed yet 5+ years from now, unless Jestur starts letting the quality slip, it'll still look great then. Why is that a scary thought?

 

[Meiri]

On the other hand, you can't stay in HS1 forever. If we're waiting for Ripples to end, when will that be? 5+ years at the rate we're going?

I don't know what the future holds. Will HS2 keep improving and can HS1 keep up with all the mods? only time will tell. But still using HS1 in 2030 and beyond is a scary thought. Tech moves fast.

This really has nothing to do with technology, there will never even be an HS3 for example.
Changing from one engine to the other isn't just clicking a button, also the models would be completely new, even if he tried to recreate the looks of the girls they would still be clearly different and I doubt you would want another game stuck in a remaster loop.

So I would rather he finishes Ripples with his original vision and after that if he still wants to continue developing games then sure.

 

[dolfe67]

Because of its anime style, HS ages better than DAZ's realism, so less need to upgrade. It can look bad if you use the basic version without any mod. The company that made it (Illusion) has been closed and so stopped its support. There is less mods for HS2 than for HS1 because it's newer, and HS2 is a little different than HS1 to use (such as lighting).

Alternatives seem to be Koikatsu (closer to 2D style than 3D, looks worse imho) and AI Shoujo (don't know much about it, way less assets/customisation? I don't know any AVN using it)

 

[cbarc]

Who says? This game looks fucking great as is, and changing it to make it look very slightly better seems like it'd be a huge waste of time. Especially since as Walter Victor points out, for continuity sake Jestur would have to re-render the entire game. Changing to HS2 without doing that you'd be left with a very jarring style change once you hit that point in a playthrough, which is never a good thing.

Is there some AVN rulebook somewhere I didn't know about that says you can't keep using the engine you've already successfully been using for years to make a great looking game once X number of years pass?

You're missing the whole point completely.

The game looks great as is. No one is denying that. And Jestur can develop in HS1 until the day he dies if that's what he wants to do.

But five years from now, the game might not look as good. HS2 keeps improving, and HS1 modders who are keeping the engine alive will gradually move on to HS2. Even if Jestur maintains the current quality, other games will surpass it simply because they have better tools and support.

And don't come at me and say the game looks great now so it will still look great in 5 years. People thought GTA San Andreas was life like when it came out.

 

[Maccabbee]

Because of its anime style, HS ages better than DAZ's realism, so less need to upgrade. It can look bad if you use the basic version without any mod. The company that made it (Illusion) has been closed and so stopped its support. There is less mods for HS2 than for HS1 because it's newer, and HS2 is a little different than HS1 to use (such as lighting).

Alternatives seem to be Koikatsu (closer to 2D style than 3D, looks worse imho) and AI Shoujo (don't know much about it, way less assets/customisation? I don't know any AVN using it)

I am out of reactions, but thank you very much for this post. I appreciate gaining knowledge.

 

[torpedogoat]

You're missing the whole point completely.

The game looks great as is. No one is denying that. And Jestur can develop in HS1 until the day he dies if that's what he wants to do.

But five years from now, the game might not look as good. HS2 keeps improving, and HS1 modders who are keeping the engine alive will gradually move on to HS2. Even if Jestur maintains the current quality, other games will surpass it simply because they have better tools and support.

Switching to HS2 isn't going to magically improve all the existing renders of the game. I am not sure what you are asking for, but it seems to be either a lengthy remake of what's already in the game, meaning a delay of at least a year, or a break in image quality as you play through it. Neither is a good idea for a game that is as far advanced as this one and already has really good renders.

In case you are not aware: Ren'Py games don't ship with HS or Daz engines and render on the fly. They ship with pre-rendered images. And all existing images in the game were rendered with HS1. Even if we assume that the developer still has all the sources of these renders and they are really well organized (not a given), rerendering with HS2 would still be a huge project. And doing it because of future improvements to HS2 mods (the main application is as dead as Illusion, the company that used to develop it) would mean doing it in the future, when it's still more work because even more renders need to be redone. Why would he want to do that instead of starting a new game with HS2?

 

[Daermon420]

But five years from now, the game might not look as good.

This makes zero sense, you realize that right? If I download this game 5+ years from now for a replay it'll still look exactly like it did the first time I opened it, fantastic.

People thought GTA San Andreas was life like when it came out.

If you mean by comparison to other newer games out? This might be a problem if this game was going for a realistic look like GTA San Andreas in your example. Games like that age like milk because as other games get more realistic looking it becomes obvious how lacking the earlier ones were.

But this game isn't going for that at all. It's using a stylized look that will continue to look good, even in comparison to other games, if you like the style.

 

[innocentGameDev]

The whole visual novel was made with HS1. My first update was close to being done when HS2 was released. Also, when HS2 was first released, there were hardly any mods so I decided to stick with HS1.

If you started again today, without knowing either HS1, HS2 or DAZ, which one would you go for?