Ren'Py Rogue-like: Evolution [v1.6f] [Oni]

[armond]

So, if I understand correctly, The Null Hypothesis is developing much faster despite having a smaller budget. It's transitioning from a mod to a full-fledged game that doesn't even resemble its original code anymore. It looks better, runs smoothly, and has a story (Juggernaut is freaking awesome). How on earth is anyone still supporting RL-E? Probably just out of sentiment... And just like CS went from a mod to a giant on Steam, I hope TNH delivers just as well.

I guess you're in the null honeymoon phase

 

[Humalien]

I guess you're in the null honeymoon phase
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Sure, I get that grinding and long-term hard work are important, but spending 8 years on a game that only has a few repetitive romantic storylines... even Duke Nukem Forever looked more ambitious in its trailers (all of them from 1997 to 2011...). RL-E doesn't even have a storyline... It's cool to finally get Emma Frost into bed, but... that's it. 8 years of work, and that's all. If houses were built as slowly as Patreons create games, we'd be fighting bears for available caves.

 

[FriendlessPanda]

Sure, I get that grinding and long-term hard work are important, but spending 8 years on a game that only has a few repetitive romantic storylines... even Duke Nukem Forever looked more ambitious in its trailers (all of them from 1997 to 2011...). RL-E doesn't even have a storyline... It's cool to finally get Emma Frost into bed, but... that's it. 8 years of work, and that's all. If houses were built as slowly as Patreons create games, we'd be fighting bears for available caves.

It all goes back to Oni not wanting anyone helping him. TNH has a team working on it, while Oni go-horses everything because he doesn't want help. And it's not for a lack of volunteers, many have offered to help for free.
As I see it they are completely different games. TNH is very linear and history driven, while RLE is much more of a sandbox with no real history. Both are great games, but TNH is only fun once you finish the story, meanwhile in RLE all you do is having fun with the girls.
I like both for what they are, but TNH still has a ton of potential to grow, while RLE has peaked and there's not much room for improvement, especially because Oni gives zero fucks (pun intended) to what his fan base wants and is not willing to improve on his work.

 

[salscou]

So, if I understand correctly, The Null Hypothesis is developing much faster despite having a smaller budget. It's transitioning from a mod to a full-fledged game that doesn't even resemble its original code anymore. It looks better, runs smoothly, and has a story (Juggernaut is freaking awesome). How on earth is anyone still supporting RL-E? Probably just out of sentiment... And just like CS went from a mod to a giant on Steam, I hope TNH delivers just as well.

Its not like i give Oni any money, but RLE is special in how it works as a sandbox and shines with all the interactions you can come across randomly.
Besides, while i like how null is coming up, i really dislike how sappy and like a lame bitch the MC sounds in dialogue.

 

[primavera9925]

So, if I understand correctly, The Null Hypothesis is developing much faster despite having a smaller budget. It's transitioning from a mod to a full-fledged game that doesn't even resemble its original code anymore. It looks better, runs smoothly, and has a story (Juggernaut is freaking awesome). How on earth is anyone still supporting RL-E? Probably just out of sentiment... And just like CS went from a mod to a giant on Steam, I hope TNH delivers just as well.

TNH is a game for people who dislike RLE not for its development woes or art, but for its formula. It does nothing for me.

 

[Semondemon]

Why do you people want story in your porn game!? Do you REALLY need context as to why a girl is sexy & you bang her cos she likes you?
Why are you attempting to be so involved in something? Just go read a fucking book oh my God. In fact there's thousands of books for men of erotic content.
I have nothing to say about null hypothesis outside I find it a snoozefest, most dialogue choices quite boring. The actual IF you get to it sex at best is slightly rubbing yourself awkward it's a jpeg in a jpeg moving while RLE is the same null uses live2d and it looks janky as fuck to me.

 

[SerHawkes]

Its not like i give Oni any money, but RLE is special in how it works as a sandbox and shines with all the interactions you can come across randomly.
Besides, while i like how null is coming up, i really dislike how sappy and like a lame bitch the MC sounds in dialogue.

The MC is the biggest bitch in that game. Even when we try to stand up for ourself, hospital ward. Try to help someone, hospital ward. Help a granny cross a street? Hospital ward. Not to mention the dialouge is meh and cringe at times. Nor the fact that Jean has this cringey 'big sis-little bro' dynamic which makes zero sense. Laura wanting to be top does make sense but comes off as too strong. Rogue being submissive seems most natural and ACTUALLY isn't cringe.

 

[DBongus]

The passive aggressive opinionated youth MC of NH kills a lot the game's enjoyment for me. He yaps a lot of regurgitated feel good nonsense. They added 3 different ways to "play" him but all of them read mostly the same way and there's no consequence to anything which is a shame

Oni's game is lacking in a lot of ways but its ludonarrative is on point. You don't need much dialogue to convey how our boy Zero can be a huge dick, a sweet guy, a weird pervert or a combination of all of the above, you can play him in different ways and the game reacts accordingly, even if it's a bit rudimentary. In that way actions speak louder than words

 

[salscou]

The MC is the biggest bitch in that game. Even when we try to stand up for ourself, hospital ward. Try to help someone, hospital ward. Help a granny cross a street? Hospital ward. Not to mention the dialouge is meh and cringe at times. Nor the fact that Jean has this cringey 'big sis-little bro' dynamic which makes zero sense. Laura wanting to be top does make sense but comes off as too strong. Rogue being submissive seems most natural and ACTUALLY isn't cringe.

I do like how Laura just drags you around and implies shes constantly stalking you around just to make sure youre safe, then again, seeing how every month Null ends up in the hospital, thats a fair precaution.

 

[SerHawkes]

I do like how Laura just drags you around and implies shes constantly stalking you around just to make sure youre safe, then again, seeing how every month Null ends up in the hospital, thats a fair precaution.

Yeah I don't need a yandere with knives thank you. Protective I'm fine with. Overly stalking, not so much. Then again considering how we are made out to be the weakest bitch possible, fault lies with Ron and co on that.

 

[leathermax]

The TNH and RLE dichotomy is like that of fanfic vs game.
In one, you are dragged by the hand through someone else's in depth fantasy made into illustrated text. In the other, you play an actual fucking videogame.
Mfs b like: Oh, but TNH has a story, goes fast and Oni's a bitch.
And what a story, fam, what a story. Oni might be a bitch, but he's not a Bitch. You know who's a Bitch? Null.
In fact, you know what would be a funny af mod that I'd actively want to play? Zero in TNH. He'd be bedding hoes left and right and skipping their tedious "I wanna bring into my game all the bland and boring things that I believe constitute a real relationship" like he was on a repopulation speed run.

 

[Deepsea]

Besides, while i like how null is coming up, i really dislike how sappy and like a lame bitch the MC sounds in dialogue.

And asking for consent on every action. In RL, you can make out and go to sucking tits with the girl nodding or some other non-verbal cue. Simple, easy, keeps scene rolling. With Null it's, "Can we make out? Can I suck you tits? Can you get on your hands and knees?" It's very unsexy.

 

[FacelessVixen]

...And here I am nutting to both games because RLE's Jean, Null's Laura, and both Rogues make my pee-pee hard.

 

[armond]

And asking for consent on every action. In RL, you can make out and go to sucking tits with the girl nodding or some other non-verbal cue. Simple, easy, keeps scene rolling. With Null it's, "Can we make out? Can I suck you tits? Can you get on your hands and knees?" It's very unsexy.

Last chick I fucked, I spit on her ass hole and stuck the tip of my thumb in her ass. She loved it, said it surprised her and she'd never done it before and if I asked she would have said no, but my being a man about it made it even hotter. Chicks like men.

 

[bobby1227]

And asking for consent on every action. In RL, you can make out and go to sucking tits with the girl nodding or some other non-verbal cue. Simple, easy, keeps scene rolling. With Null it's, "Can we make out? Can I suck you tits? Can you get on your hands and knees?" It's very unsexy.

In Rogue-lite selecting a position/action is you asking for consent of "hey, I wanna touch your boobs/ass/whatever." It's implied by selecting the option. Then if consent isn't given and you try to force her, then she just slaps you hard, leaves the room and just doesn't talk to MC at all for days.

If your going to add a lot of story dialogue, might as well add some non-verbal lines as well.

Though I don't got a horse in the race, Just figured I toss that out there that there is a consent system in place in Rogue-lite. It's just masked under the action/game mechanic system [if you can call it that] itself.

 

[salscou]

In Rogue-lite selecting a position/action is you asking for consent of "hey, I wanna touch your boobs/ass/whatever." It's implied by selecting the option. Then if consent isn't given and you try to force her, then she just slaps you hard, leaves the room and just doesn't talk to MC at all for days.

If your going to add a lot of story dialogue, might as well add some non-verbal lines as well.

Though I don't got a horse in the race, Just figured I toss that out there that there is a consent system in place in Rogue-lite. It's just masked under the action/game mechanic system [if you can call it that] itself.

The difference is the delivery, and the presence of choice.
Yes, in RLE, you can ask for consent before doing something, or you can go YOLO and stick your thump up Emma Frost's butthole and damn the consequences because you have balls.
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[FacelessVixen]

And asking for consent on every action. In RL, you can make out and go to sucking tits with the girl nodding or some other non-verbal cue. Simple, easy, keeps scene rolling. With Null it's, "Can we make out? Can I suck you tits? Can you get on your hands and knees?" It's very unsexy.

I'll take this over Squirrel Girl.

 

[jvbatman]

Play both games. They're great. Don't define yourself by which game you jack off to more.

 

[mashi81]

i actually prefer rogue like to the null hypotesis.. both are great.. still i would love for rogue like to have an endgame

 

[Casted420]

...And here I am nutting to both games because RLE's Jean, Null's Laura, and both Rogues make my pee-pee hard.

Truly the correct way - the enlightened centrist way.
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