VN Ren'Py Abandoned Science Of Lust [Intro] [Tora Productions]

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3dtab7

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Am I completely off my rockers in thinking you did the beautiful renders for Gates: the opening? My appologies if so.. also didn't know that iksanabot wrote those for LoP, esspecially LwT and it's expansions are some of my favourites of their offering, will most likely join you over on patreon once I've had a look at the demo. Thanks for sharing :)
You are correct! Mortze did in fact do the art for Gates: The Opening
 

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I don't know I get the 'mc as a melon' reference. I've played every Tlaero game (Phreaky and Mortze), and while they weren't typical alpha males they were the type of male a woman would seem to want in a game like this (not every man is Eric...). Think about your storyteller...

Also, djkunn - Hard fetishes? Er? Where? In what Tora Game?

I'm not sure Iksanabot will bring THAT feeling, but I'm intrigued by this duo. Let's see what they actually do together (after this; it is just an intro).
any lop games for example have some hard fetishes, like (gang bang , cheating, swings etc)
in seducing the throne they were kinda "free minded womans" (i dont like calling a woman whore or that kind of Word but damm... that game did have some scenes a bit too much for those of us that like more vanilla games)
and i was replying to mortze (the games he said him and his friend worked, dunno if tora worked on them)
 
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any lop games for example have some hard fetishes, like (gang bang , cheating, swings etc)
in seducing the throne they were kinda "free minded womans" (i dont like calling a woman whore or that kind of Word but damm... that game did have some scenes a bit too much for those of us that like more vanilla games)
and i was replying to mortze (the games he said him and his friend worked, dunno if tora worked on them)
I have no idea why "free minded womans" made me laugh. Thank you.
 

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Loved the Elsaverse games (not so much other Tora games,) but I did always agree with the common perception about the MCs being beta to the titular characters. Doesn't necessarily make them weak, but it did get repetitive given it was a basic theme in most everything Tlaero wrote. It was just her thing. I'll give this a quick spin and see how it goes.

{Edit} - OK, I tried. Doesn't really seem like my thing I guess. If this is indicative of the story to follow I won't bother, unfortunately. As for the girls, didn't really care for Sarah or Lilly, but both the girls in the gym were fine. Professor had a bit too much Miranda in her for comfort.
 
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Renders are good. Story is pretty cliche. MC is definately a beta although it sounds like we can change his personality more towards an alpha (though your either born with an A type personality or your not).

But from the devs past works I can guarantee you will eventually see NTR in some form or another (avoidable or not who knows at this point).

I am sure some will like this game but I have played enough games where the MC is a weakling and heard enough devs try to say "he can change" to know it wont. So this is gonna get a hard pass by me.

Most people arent badasses in real life and look to games to not be reminded of the parts of themselves they may not like so not having a strong MC is going to limit how popular your game will be. Just food for thought.

Good luck (y)
 

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This was funny lol, I liked it a lot. And I was curious how Serena would fit into this picture considering the events of Saving Chloe, especially considering she was my favorite of that story. I'm glad this intro made the timeline clear. Tlaero had been a big inspiration of mine for a few years now, so it really hurt to see her retire the name. But Mortze is still here delivering the only way he knows how and iksanabot wrote my favorite LOP game LWT (didn't care much for the sequel because it felt too rushed but I'm looking forward to the expansion later this year)

But I really like this so far. Tora P. is left in good hands if this new partnership is anything to go by.

The only thing I'd say I didn't like was the animations. If the animations aren't legitimate, I don't think you need to loop 2 images to simulate animations such as that last BJ scene. A lot of Ren'Py games do that already, but it never did sit well with me personally. I say either animate it properly, or leave the scene as a still image.
 

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I was hoping you would tell him he was wrong. Will/Does this mc have the "personality of a melon"?
Our idea for this game is that you will be able to customize the player's personality. That is, when making dialogue choices, certain choices will affect personality statistics. Each girl has a personality she prefers, so you get a relationship bonus with a girl for displaying the personality she likes. In addition, sometimes options in the game will not be available if it goes too far against past choices. However, you will always be able to make new choices to move your personality back in a direction that gives you the option that you want.

I might not have explained this clearly, but it will be explained very clearly in episode one when you actually define your character's personality early in the game (at least, the personality starting point).
 
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Nice introduction but the main character and his inner dialogue was certainly the worst part of it. I couldn't stop thinking about why he just didn't masturbate in a WC in the school... The other characters and their dialogue was good as well as the imagery (although a bit grainy sometimes).

Looking forward to the first "real" episode :)
I understand your criticism and see your point. Someone else has also found the naration to be a bit overbearing. I will try to pull back on that a bit in the full game. We are still kind of finding the voice for this game.
Regarding why he didn't just jack off in the bathroom - I guess you had to suspend your disbelief a bit. But also, some people feel more awkward about that than others. I jerk off every day but I've never jerked off in a public bathroom. I don't look down on others for doing it, but it just doesn't feel comfortable to me. And I am not at all shy.
 
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Wow, that project came out very fast. I thought it would take longer to you guys to assemble something. It's a good strategy, share a prototype sooner, get feedback earlier and define how the project will evolve.

Related to the graphics, I felt that some renders look a bit strange, it seems pixelated at first, but them it seems a different resource, especially in the classroom. It is the denoiser from Daz latest beta? I guess that the renders were made very fast, because you too should have just a few days since the game conception. The shower images, on the other side, seems great. Other images seems too bright. Teacher walking seems to have a cartoon effect.

Related to the narrative style, I think that the previous games always focused much more on the girl/woman that mc is pursuing. We heard very little about the male character. This one seems to be more focused on the male, specially because many girls are presented, there is no time to go deep in one of them. I believe that users loyal to Tora's games may miss this level of depth with a female character, the one that would be the mc target.

It is very good to see you guys around here, I wish a lot of success in this new initiative. It should not be easy at all to deal with Tlaero's departure.
Thanks MaxCarna, nice to see you here!
I very much want to develop the personalities of each girl. I will. This introduction was conceived of as just a way to show some images and to prove that we were serious about working together. In the full episodes, developing the characters will be a priority.

Best regards!
 

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Favorite Character: Favorite character visually right now is the professor. The two gals at the gym (MacKenzie and the other one) aren't bad. But I hope their personalities/characters will get fleshed out.

Least Favorite Character: Not a fan of Jordyn's look. Girl in the coffee shop is cute, but she reminds me a lot of Melissa from Acting Lessons, who had zero personality and I couldn't feel invested in.

Line of Dialogue: "Are you going to change too?" "Nah, I got to take a dump."

Favorite Scene: None yet, though I'm sure there'll be some good ones in the larger build. I would suggest making the professor's breasts sway at normal speeds--they're way too fast now.

Images: No favorite image but the renders look pretty good. MC running looks pretty weird and overly comical--might want to tone it down some.

Some other suggestions: More milfs. Keep the animations at normal speeds. Hope there'll be plenty of Steve for comic relief.

Hope this helps, best of luck with the game! Will keep an eye on it.
Thanks for the detailed feedback. I will see if I can make the animations look better slower. Also, we will keep in mind that there is such a thing as making an image too comical - we discussed that several times during development of the introduction. WE don't want to try TOO hard to make it funny. For the full episodes, we are going to try and find a balance between humour and drama that is similar to movies like Forest Gump, and Jerry MacGuire.
 

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I'm not familiar with other Tlaero games, but agreed on having reasonable, realistic male leads. I too would be worried about my boner if surrounded with such women.

That said, I did find some of the MC's physical anguish over having a boner to be way overdone. I don't think I've ever had a boner-driven bad day. 30 minutes, maybe.
Someone else mentioned the same thing. I understand. The idea for the introduction was that the MC had a 1-in-a-million boner. The kind of boner that only 1 in a milllion men might ever experience once in their life. So insistent, so large and hard, that it makes them sorry something is really wrong. It was supposed to be kind of funny, but it also will eventually tie into the larger story of the game. But I failed to write it well enough if you found it overdone. I've already said this in reply to another post: we're just trying to find our voice with this game. We'll listen to feedback, and improve.
 

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Pretty promising so far. Made me laugh a few times, poor guy, hits a bit too close to the truth. :p
Visuals are good, tho a bit too grainy in some scenes, bit too strong color contrast ( like it's on SweetFX, especially with "glowing" character eyes), and one or two odd facial expressions ( though really minor, and look kind of funny)
With gifs: I think very, very few VNs do it well and end up a waste of effort; I'd go with more plain pictures, from different angles.
Only major complaint is too much of descriptive: "You decide...you see...you go to ... etc". I'd tone it down a bit, use just plain monologue ( more), and let an image speak on its own ( at times).
Characters seem interesting, look natural, pretty good dialogue/introduction/variety.
Some music would also be welcome.
I'm noting all feedback that occurs more than once. Grainy images, and overbrearing narrative have been noted and we'll work on that. Music would be lovely, I agree. we'll see if it's in the budget after the first of June :)
Thanks for your feedback!
 

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Pandora wasn't that great for a tora games but playing a "loser" is kind of mind blowing in "porn" games filled with alpha males cause it's kind of delusional
I like games where you start off as nothing special, but work toward becoming very special, and irresistable to the women you want.
 
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Tiareo&Mortze have made some of my favorite browser games (even if I often had to manipulate the tabs to get the best score possible). And Iksanabot has been involved with some of LoP's "golden age" games. So this project is promising by default for me.

Only thing that worried me a bit is the Patreon poll thing. Usually when patreons are that involved in development, it affects the story and it ends up in "waifu of the month" releases.
Hmm, I understand. I don't want patrons to drive us in directions that we don't want to go, but on the other hand, I feel a strong need to reward patrons with something for their support. On the surface, the reward is that the game gets made, but that doesn't really work unless there is enough support to get the game made. It's something all developers who use patreon are probably struggling with. I'm open to ideas.

One thing is for sure, I won't make a game I don't like. If we don't get support except from people demanding stuff I don't want to write, that will just be the end of it.
 
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Who is Iksanabot? The artist?
I don't mind making fun of myself here - this surprised me, because I thought I was kind of famous in the adult game world.

Hyped , I am iksanabot, the writer, and I am coding the game too. I wrote a bunch of games for Lesson of Passion, most notably, Living with Temptation, Living with Temptation:Wife Gone Wilder, Living with Temptation: Foreign Affairs, and Seducing the Throne. Both LWT2 and STT have expansions coming out (this year, I think).
 
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