Would you like to see a "Madison Love route" in the game? (Just an enquiry)


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hobobobb

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Question about this;
Do you want the Ella-Madison relationship to be made optional?

Optional as in the relationship between Ella-Madison still happens, but the player doesn't see it?
Or
Optional as in, there is not and has not been any type of sexual relationship between Ella-Madison?

I ask because the 'Optional' fisting scene was very much a case of choosing to "watch it happen" or just "look away" (which gave the impression that it still happened, it was just off-screen).

I would recommend that if you do decide to go ahead with this change (make it optional), you make it truly and clearly avoidable (as in it doesn't/didn't happen under that option choice).

Otherwise, you will likely find that you have done a lot of coding/rendering/rewriting to arrive at exactly the same problems/debates/issues with the game that you already have.

Best of Luck!
 

DeafPerv

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Question about this;
Do you want the Ella-Madison relationship to be made optional?

Optional as in the relationship between Ella-Madison still happens, but the player doesn't see it?
Or
Optional as in, there is not and has not been any type of sexual relationship between Ella-Madison?

I ask because the 'Optional' fisting scene was very much a case of choosing to "watch it happen" or just "look away" (which gave the impression that it still happened, it was just off-screen).

I would recommend that if you do decide to go ahead with this change (make it optional), you make it truly and clearly avoidable (as in it doesn't/didn't happen under that option choice).

Otherwise, you will likely find that you have done a lot of coding/rendering/rewriting to arrive at exactly the same problems/debates/issues with the game that you already have.

Best of Luck!
If the relationship itself is made optional, then nothing happens between them if you want it to be.
Either you enable the relationship or disable it.
 
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goulet1995

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if the ella/maddison relationship becomes avoidable is there still other unavoidable sharing/swinging/ntr including with other females?
 

Avaron1974

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And so it begins....

Once you change one thing they demand changes to other things and pretty soon it's no longer the story we had.

Taking bets now we end up with another generic harem game because once Madisons been changed, Jasons will be next, then his family, then the mother, then Lilia and then they will want the bad ends changed.

Then people hate multiple playthroughs so the 2 different harems will have to be joined and we are now down to 1 ending from the 4 planned.

Not saying that as a dig, saying that because it's what will happen.

The floodgates are open, now everything will need to be changed to keep them happy.

It was a good 4 years with a unique story, ahh well.
 

goulet1995

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And so it begins....

Once you change one thing they demand changes to other things and pretty soon it's no longer the story we had.

Taking bets now we end up with another generic harem game because once Madisons been changed, Jasons will be next, then his family, then the mother, then Lilia and then they will want the bad ends changed.

Then people hate multiple playthroughs so the 2 different harems will have to be joined and we are now down to 1 ending from the 4 planned.

Not saying that as a dig, saying that because it's what will happen.

The floodgates are open, now everything will need to be changed to keep them happy.

It was a good 4 years with a unique story, ahh well.
was that based on what i said i havnt played the game i just want to know what im signing up for before i do dont want suprises based on what your saying i assume there are LI's with other people that cant be avoided?
 

DeafPerv

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And so it begins....

Once you change one thing they demand changes to other things and pretty soon it's no longer the story we had.

Taking bets now we end up with another generic harem game because once Madisons been changed, Jasons will be next, then his family, then the mother, then Lilia and then they will want the bad ends changed.

Then people hate multiple playthroughs so the 2 different harems will have to be joined and we are now down to 1 ending from the 4 planned.

Not saying that as a dig, saying that because it's what will happen.

The floodgates are open, now everything will need to be changed to keep them happy.

It was a good 4 years with a unique story, ahh well.
Avaron,

Nothing changes from the planned endings.

Everything goes as planned.

What I'm adding is extra content on top of the existing ones.
 

DeafPerv

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if the ella/maddison relationship becomes avoidable is there still other unavoidable sharing/swinging/ntr including with other females?
There's none. The sharing part has already been made avoidable.
 

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I'm all for optional content. Let those who hate it avoid it and those who enjoy it continue to do so. As much as I dislike lesbian stuff, I'm probably just going to keep playing with their relationship on, just because it comes with an actual story and keeps things interesting.
 

Onetogo

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I'm conflicted. I understand why Madison is the way she is because of the abuse and degradation she gets and it's my nature to look first if the person is redeemable(Is there a path to redemption through love and kindness despite her crazy ways?). I'm a compassionate and forgiving person. Keep in mind I haven't played this game for some time and my memory is terrible(could be I never chose the other paths as well), but I don't remember Jason being killed; all I can remember is him diddling Tanya and his mom and sister and them being corrupted and insatiable(by the way not a fan of sharing them with Jason I don't remember the ntr being optional either, but please enlighten me.
 
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hobobobb

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And so it begins....

Once you change one thing they demand changes to other things and pretty soon it's no longer the story we had.

Taking bets now we end up with another generic harem game because once Madisons been changed, Jasons will be next, then his family, then the mother, then Lilia and then they will want the bad ends changed.

Then people hate multiple playthroughs so the 2 different harems will have to be joined and we are now down to 1 ending from the 4 planned.

Not saying that as a dig, saying that because it's what will happen.

The floodgates are open, now everything will need to be changed to keep them happy.

It was a good 4 years with a unique story, ahh well.

Who's 'They'?

For myself, I was asking for clarification on what 'optional' meant to the Dev (Which they answered, so thanks for that Dev)

Joking aside, as a general rule, I agree with the idea of a Dev doing "What they planned" even if it's not something I will $upport.

There are always exceptions for corrections/alterations of things like "plot holes", Technical issues and to fix some otherwise glaring omissions or jumps in/poorly described logic. Or in response to feedback for what might be a "better" way to do something, (both code and story-wise).

But I would agree that It is very much a slippery slope to start changing things at the whims of players. This is something to be done with an abundance of caution, to be sure.

However, in this case, I think the idea of making the whole Ella-Maddison 'thing' optional, seems more like adding a new play route or path, to an already existing game. Like the game had 4 way's to reach the end and the Dev is asking if a 5th would be welcome to players (and from the votes so far, this does seem to be the case).
 

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Is there a path where we get to have Ella, Madison and Lilith? Is the Ella, Selina, Veronica path only in the UK?

It's funny how despite Madison is portrayed as an antagonist to Ella and the MC's relationship, given the abuse she's endured herself, imho its entirely plausible for Madison to keep her girls together, but allow herself to open up to the MC and form a relationship between them all so there is no jealousy, anger or any of the kinds of abuse she was subjected to from her husband.
 
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Onetogo

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Is there a path where we get to have Ella, Madison and Lilith? Is the Ella, Selina, Veronica path only in the UK?

It's funny how despite Madison is portrayed as an antagonist to Ella and the MC's relationship, given the abuse she's endured herself, imho its entirely plausible for Madison to keep her girls together, but allow herself to open up to the MC and form a relationship between them all so there is no jealousy, anger or any of the kinds of abuse she was subjected to from her husband.
I think I would like a run at Madison myself if she can be redeemed. Needs to stop murdering people and stop being possessive and realize to share the MC with Ella will keep her daughters happy and remain in her life.
 

Crimsonfiend76

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I think I would like a run at Madison myself if she can be redeemed. Needs to stop murdering people and stop being possessive and realize to share the MC with Ella will keep her daughters happy and remain in her life.
I agree. If she (Madison) can be redeemed and understand the harder she tries to hold on to Ella, the more she risks losing her in her life, not to mention finding her own inner peace and happiness. That said, I'd be interested in a path where despite vowing never to share Ella with anyone, the MC is able to win her over, and offer to include her and Lilith into his mini-harem.

When I first played this last year, I hated both Ella and Madison. Madison for being the obvious antagonist standing in the way of the MC and Ella, and Ella herself for being complicit her carrying on a consensual relationship with her despite cheating on the MC who she claims to adore and be in love with. Recently, I've come to accept that despite her own betrayal, its a bit hypocritical of the MC to get that upset considering all the cheating he has done behind Ella's back, regardless of demonic/succubus influence. So in the bigger picture, if the MC can be the 'hero' and save not only his own mother, but Ella's mother from herself and sliding into further depths of jealousy and insanity, then just maybe she'd get her own happy ending as well.
 
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