VN Ren'Py Seducing the Devil [v0.13] [DeafPerv]

[Deleted member 2412505]

Was it not blind? How did she / you know?

When you choose Selina path.....
......

 

[Alpha Beta Omega]

After all these WT mod and WT mod Fix,

Still ERROR and TRACEBACK !!!!

 

[slitherhence]

4, Cherry thinks that by avoiding lust and staying true to either Ella or Selina you can weaken Lileva enough for you and cherry to defeat her and that will save Rachel I think either that or its just to make her weak enough that cherry can easily defend her? not 100% sure which.

So then the goal is to not have sex... in a porn game. ::facepalm:: I mean basically the whole game is one long drawn out Bad End. If you play the game well you get robbed of sexy times. You have to fail at the game to see the porn.

Why do people keep making Bad End focused games? Oh right... puritanical indoctrination teaching sexuality is evil and thus requires punishment. FFS. And the art and character designs in this are fucking hot as hell. And curvy demon babes are like... in the top ten of my fetishes. Yet the more I play this and the more I learn about it... the less I want to play. :-(

Obviously, the dev can do whatever they want with their own game. It's just disheartening. Too few games with well made renders and sexy characters _and_ a plot that doesn't sound like something a 13yo came up with... and now here's one but it wants to punish you for pursuing the smut.

 

[KingWeWuz]

So then the goal is to not have sex... in a porn game. ::facepalm:: I mean basically the whole game is one long drawn out Bad End. If you play the game well you get robbed of sexy times. You have to fail at the game to see the porn.

Why do people keep making Bad End focused games? Oh right... puritanical indoctrination teaching sexuality is evil and thus requires punishment. FFS. And the art and character designs in this are fucking hot as hell. And curvy demon babes are like... in the top ten of my fetishes. Yet the more I play this and the more I learn about it... the less I want to play. :-(

Obviously, the dev can do whatever they want with their own game. It's just disheartening. Too few games with well made renders and sexy characters _and_ a plot that doesn't sound like something a 13yo came up with.

Honestly enough, I think it has less to do with moral religious themes and more to do with tempting you, the player, with choices and incentives to get into a bad end. If the writer simply put "bad end or good end?" There'd be no motive. While I agree with the idea of allowing all paths to be fun and sexy, I don't agree that puritans indoctrinated the dev into fleshing out the story the way he did.

 

[Issecha]

I downloaded the walkthough mod, it seems to work (since it appears in the choices), but i can't find the gallery in the main menu, anyone can help ?

 

[slitherhence]

Honestly enough, I think it has less to do with moral religious themes and more to do with tempting you, the player, with choices and incentives to get into a bad end. If the writer simply put "bad end or good end?" There'd be no motive. While I agree with the idea of allowing all paths to be fun and sexy, I don't agree that puritans indoctrinated the dev into fleshing out the story the way he did.

So... where's the bad ends for being a bad person? Be an asshole... get a sexy pic, game over. Steal from someone... get money, game over. Murder people... get their stuff, game over. Nope. It's be a pervert... get a sexy pic, game over. If it really wasn't about puritanism then it wouldn't only happen with being overly-lewd. I suppose mind-control games do subvert this sometimes with "be a doormat... get a sexy pic, game over," but still.

And trying to motivate people to fail means you've already failed to understand what a game is. If all a game's bad choices are so obvious that the dev needs to motivate people to take them then the problem isn't that players aren't motivated... it's that dev sucks at writing. And I don't think the writing in StD is anywhere close to that bad. For example, it was trying to save Cherry that got her corrupted... you took the apparent best choice and it turned out bad. That's life, often enough... and that you potentially don't see it coming is good writing. However, what would have been more in line with the nature of a game is if there had been something you could do earlier on to learn that this was the wrong choice and use that knowledge to take another path with delayed gratification. Like maybe repeated blowjobs will keep her alive and sane... and later on you can find a way to have sex without it corrupting her. I realize there has to be some negative outcomes that are unavoidable... what I'm asking for is that the positive outcomes don't involve avoiding sex in a game about sex. The example i'm giving with Cherry is just meant to prove that such can be accomplished... that Bad Ends aren't the only way.

A perfect example is the Little Sisters in Bioshock. Harvest one (the bad choice) and you get a large surge in Adam (the single most important resource in the game) on the spot. Save one and you get nothing... until later on the Little Sisters leave an even bigger cache of Adam and some free plasmids. Now imagine if rescuing a little sister had no reward at all and harvesting gets you a burst of Adam but fifty scavengers come out of the wood work all at once to kill you for it. It becomes a lose-lose... better to just ignore the Little Sisters entirely... in that case the only way to win is not to play. A good game developer never, ever wants that to be true.

THAT is a game: Challenge -> Successful Application of Skill (even simple empathy) -> Reward -> Rise and Repeat. The whole point is to tap into the brain's built-in serotonin reward cycle. The only reason pron games can even get away with Bad Ends is that they tap into our mating instincts instead... and being the dumb apes we are we will engage in all sorts of stupidity for a chance at pussy/dick.

Like I said, the dev can do whatever they want. And given the current porn-game market they will probably still be successful. I just tire of being _punished_ for successful application of skill by being denied the very thing that got me to play the game to begin with.

P.S. It's also noteworthy that Bioshock fed the serotonin loop but wasn't afraid to force bad outcomes down your throat occasionally. Would you kindly? You can't not kill Andrew Ryan... and absolutely nothing good comes of it in the story. But it creates drama and sets up the rest of the game's central antagonist. The point is Bioshock feeds the serotonin loop the rest of the time. As does every other successful non-porn game.

 

[KingWeWuz]

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I am not disagreeing with any of that. I am saying I don't think the developer's possible religious upbringing is inspiration for the plot.

 

[slitherhence]

I am not disagreeing with any of that. I am saying I don't think the developer's possible religious upbringing is inspiration for the plot.

*sigh* I never said it was. I am talking about bias and it's unconscious effects... not religion and conscious decisions to draw inspiration from it. One doesn't have to be religious to have an unrecognized bias against sexuality. Puritanical beliefs are part of US culture as a result of it's puritan origins. Janet Jackson shows a nipple during the Superbowl half time show and the US loses it's collective shit leading to fines in excess of $10,000 for as little as saying "shit" on TV and radio and every major Hollywood director swearing off R rated film for nearly two decades. It took 12 years to get the rid of the fines and it took Deadpool to teach Hollywood that an R rating is not a death sentence for film profits.

And yes, I'm aware that horror movies and certain dramas were still R rated. But generally there was a dramatic reduction in R rated fair... especially for blockbuster films... after the Janet Jackson half-time nipple incident.

 

[Canto Forte]

You hav ta draw determination and stamina out of it ... try harder to land your dream babe ...

So... where's the bad ends for being a bad person? Be an asshole... get a sexy pic, game over. Steal from someone... get money, game over. Murder people... get their stuff, game over. Nope. It's be a pervert... get a sexy pic, game over. If it really wasn't about puritanism then it wouldn't only happen with being overly-lewd. I suppose mind-control games do subvert this sometimes with "be a doormat... get a sexy pic, game over," but still.

And trying to motivate people to fail means you've already failed to understand what a game is. If all a game's bad choices are so obvious that the dev needs to motivate people to take them then the problem isn't that players aren't motivated... it's that dev sucks at writing. And I don't think the writing in StD is anywhere close to that bad. For example, it was trying to save Cherry that got her corrupted... you took the apparent best choice and it turned out bad. That's life, often enough... and that you potentially don't see it coming is good writing. However, what would have been more in line with the nature of a game is if there had been something you could do earlier on to learn that this was the wrong choice and use that knowledge to take another path with delayed gratification. Like maybe repeated blowjobs will keep her alive and sane... and later on you can find a way to have sex without it corrupting her. I realize there has to be some negative outcomes that are unavoidable... what I'm asking for is that the positive outcomes don't involve avoiding sex in a game about sex. The example i'm giving with Cherry is just meant to prove that such can be accomplished... that Bad Ends aren't the only way.

A perfect example is the Little Sisters in Bioshock. Harvest one (the bad choice) and you get a large surge in Adam (the single most important resource in the game) on the spot. Save one and you get nothing... until later on the Little Sisters leave an even bigger cache of Adam and some free plasmids. Now imagine if rescuing a little sister had no reward at all and harvesting gets you a burst of Adam but fifty scavengers come out of the wood work all at once to kill you for it. It becomes a lose-lose... better to just ignore the Little Sisters entirely... in that case the only way to win is not to play. A good game developer never, ever wants that to be true.

THAT is a game: Challenge -> Successful Application of Skill (even simple empathy) -> Reward -> Rise and Repeat. The whole point is to tap into the brain's built-in serotonin reward cycle. The only reason pron games can even get away with Bad Ends is that they tap into our mating instincts instead... and being the dumb apes we are we will engage in all sorts of stupidity for a chance at pussy/dick.

Like I said, the dev can do whatever they want. And given the current porn-game market they will probably still be successful. I just tire of being _punished_ for successful application of skill by being denied the very thing that got me to play the game to begin with.

P.S. It's also noteworthy that Bioshock fed the serotonin loop but wasn't afraid to force bad outcomes down your throat occasionally. Would you kindly? You can't not kill Andrew Ryan... and absolutely nothing good comes of it in the story. But it creates drama and sets up the rest of the game's central antagonist. The point is Bioshock feeds the serotonin loop the rest of the time. As does every other successful non-porn game.

In game or IRL ... you need to fight and you need to fight all the time and all the way.
Most Gf you need to bang before any relationship hapends, rule of thumb in games.
Something like ..oh .. slipped, how clumsy of her, landed on your ... Bang oN!

 

[KingWeWuz]

*sigh* I never said it was. I am talking about bias and it's unconscious effects... not religion and conscious decisions to draw inspiration from it. One doesn't have to be religious to have an unrecognized bias against sexuality. Janet Jackson shows a nipple during the Superbowl half time show and the US loses it's collective shit leading to fines in excess of $10,000 for as little as saying "shit" on TV and radio and every major Hollywood director swearing off R rated film for nearly two decades. It took 12 years to get the rid of the fines and it took Deadpool to teach Hollywood that an R rating is not a death sentence for film profits.

And yes, I'm aware that horror movies and certain dramas were still R rated. But generally there was a dramatic reduction in R rated fair... especially for blockbuster films... after the Janet Jackson half-time nipple incident.

I see, that's what you meant. I do not believe the plot of this story is geared in any way either consciously or unconsciously via religious themes that have integrated themselves within our society. I think it's just the writer trying to offer an incentive that can compete against "good ending."

Though I will agree it's not a good direction for a porn game.

 

[Heavy Sleeper]

So... where's the bad ends for being a bad person? Be an asshole... get a sexy pic, game over. Steal from someone... get money, game over. Murder people... get their stuff, game over. Nope. It's be a pervert... get a sexy pic, game over. If it really wasn't about puritanism then it wouldn't only happen with being overly-lewd. I suppose mind-control games do subvert this sometimes with "be a doormat... get a sexy pic, game over," but still.

And trying to motivate people to fail means you've already failed to understand what a game is. If all a game's bad choices are so obvious that the dev needs to motivate people to take them then the problem isn't that players aren't motivated... it's that dev sucks at writing. And I don't think the writing in StD is anywhere close to that bad. For example, it was trying to save Cherry that got her corrupted... you took the apparent best choice and it turned out bad. That's life, often enough... and that you potentially don't see it coming is good writing. However, what would have been more in line with the nature of a game is if there had been something you could do earlier on to learn that this was the wrong choice and use that knowledge to take another path with delayed gratification. Like maybe repeated blowjobs will keep her alive and sane... and later on you can find a way to have sex without it corrupting her. I realize there has to be some negative outcomes that are unavoidable... what I'm asking for is that the positive outcomes don't involve avoiding sex in a game about sex. The example i'm giving with Cherry is just meant to prove that such can be accomplished... that Bad Ends aren't the only way.

A perfect example is the Little Sisters in Bioshock. Harvest one (the bad choice) and you get a large surge in Adam (the single most important resource in the game) on the spot. Save one and you get nothing... until later on the Little Sisters leave an even bigger cache of Adam and some free plasmids. Now imagine if rescuing a little sister had no reward at all and harvesting gets you a burst of Adam but fifty scavengers come out of the wood work all at once to kill you for it. It becomes a lose-lose... better to just ignore the Little Sisters entirely... in that case the only way to win is not to play. A good game developer never, ever wants that to be true.

THAT is a game: Challenge -> Successful Application of Skill (even simple empathy) -> Reward -> Rise and Repeat. The whole point is to tap into the brain's built-in serotonin reward cycle. The only reason pron games can even get away with Bad Ends is that they tap into our mating instincts instead... and being the dumb apes we are we will engage in all sorts of stupidity for a chance at pussy/dick.

Like I said, the dev can do whatever they want. And given the current porn-game market they will probably still be successful. I just tire of being _punished_ for successful application of skill by being denied the very thing that got me to play the game to begin with.

P.S. It's also noteworthy that Bioshock fed the serotonin loop but wasn't afraid to force bad outcomes down your throat occasionally. Would you kindly? You can't not kill Andrew Ryan... and absolutely nothing good comes of it in the story. But it creates drama and sets up the rest of the game's central antagonist. The point is Bioshock feeds the serotonin loop the rest of the time. As does every other successful non-porn game.

the thing is, people make a lot of assumptions how the game is going to end. When in reality we are only 55% the way there, with more player's choice in the coming updates. dev's quote https://f95zone.to/threads/seducing-the-devil-v0-10-deafperv.10660/post-5723670

If you want a very spoiler heavy vision of the end here from the dev

Spoiler: big ending spoiler

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but if you don't want spoilers, Cherry's attitude plays a more important role then who you sleep with. But the "bias" is not from the dev's, but the people who play it and assumed that the dev mean "sex bad" while so far the only "punishment" we've got is the antagonist saying "I'm winning" while we are still half way through the game.

So yes, you can have a good ending and a harem.

 

[slitherhence]

the thing is, people make a lot of assumptions how the game is going to end. When in reality we are only 55% the way there, with more player's choice in the coming updates. dev's quote https://f95zone.to/threads/seducing-the-devil-v0-10-deafperv.10660/post-5723670

If you want a very spoiler heavy vision of the end here from the dev

Spoiler: big ending spoiler

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but if you don't want spoilers, Cherry's attitude plays a more important rule then who you sleep with. But the "bias" is not from the dev's, but the people who play it and assumed that the dev mean "sex bad" while so far the only "punishment" we've got is the antagonist saying "I'm winning" while we are still half way through the game.

I hope you're right. I keep meaning to make another run at this game but after that last few times were so disappointing I've had a hard time working up the motivation. Then LWtbo's comment kinda triggered me... and off the races we go. ::shrug::

 

[Gilgamesh_Dinger]

I will check back when it's either 75% or Completed...I would support but then I would probably not have enough for my internet bill .-.

 

[LWtbo]

I hope you're right. I keep meaning to make another run at this game but after that last few times were so disappointing I've had a hard time working up the motivation. Then LWtbo's comment kinda triggered me... and off the races we go. ::shrug::

My comment was just a quick answer to another person's question trying to be vague and yet informative.
Basicly That is the just of the choice Cherry gives you she wants you to be faithful'ish to either Ella or Selina

How can we protect Rachel?

and my answer was

4, Cherry thinks that by avoiding lust and staying true to either Ella or Selina you can weaken Lileva enough for you and cherry to defeat her and that will save Rachel I think either that or its just to make her weak enough that cherry can easily defend her? not 100% sure which.

which while not the full plot of the game is essentially what the game suggest as to how you save Rachel.
I never said or would I even presume to say what the endings are even if I knew them but I was asked how you save Rachel.
And according to the game that's how by doing what Cherry wants and if you ignore Cherry and follow Lileva then you lose Rachel.
So I don't know about you but my conclusion from that is if you want to save Rachel you have to do as Cherry state's.
Since not doing so means you will lose Rachel but that is the only Bad thing mentioned in the game as far as I could tell and that's only bad if you want Rachel.

The game makes no other comment as to if there is any other bad end's from the MC fucking everything that moves in the game only that he will lose out on Rachel if he do's there by leaving it up to you the player how they play it.

Just Saying.

 

[thealucid]

How does Rachel get pregnant? Indirectly or directly from the MC?

 

[Canto Forte]

How would you say devil”s advocate pacino got his spawn inside fenomenal babe charlize?

How does Rachel get pregnant? Indirectly or directly from the MC?

Was it by kianu infestation or by jokes of the mind?

 

[thealucid]

How would you say devil”s advocate pacino got his spawn inside fenomenal babe charlize?


Was it by kianu infestation or by jokes of the mind?

There was some post talking about MC getting a blowjob from an angel who then spat his cum into Rachel. Wasn't sure if that was serious or not.

 

[LWtbo]

How does Rachel get pregnant? Indirectly or directly from the MC?

Not sure if this is what your talking about but if you mean when Rachel was pregnant with Cherry.
Thats easy to answere before rachel disapeared she used the oldfashioned method she fucked her son the MC.
Which you might of gleened from looking behind the door's after daddy was stuffed out.

If that was your question hope that answeres it for you

 

[Canto Forte]

Great answer! Great answer! This family feud is heating up pretty neatly.

 

[TSL_JOK4R.]

finally the game is getting the attention it deserves