Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.06] [Vénus Noire]

[Ellioto]

While we’re waiting on release anyone have alexia x goblin

 

[aykarin]

Despite all of his obvious flaws, Andras is perhaps a better leader than Jezera. Sure, he is in many ways primitive and brutish, also has anger issues. But Jezera is even more incompetent: despite being good at scheming (and often succeeding at it), she is completely childish, irresponsible and seems to be less focused on her duties than Andras. The red demon spends most of his time in barracks, training and commanding orcs, while also supervises forge work and driders - overall he seems to be very focused on his duties. Jezera on the other hand tends to spend most of her time playing with maids or devising petty schemes. She doesn't seem to be taking her role seriously at all. While Andras often cooperates with Rowan on his missions (we can see it during orc tribe events and village occupation events), Jezera spends most of her time in her chambers. If Rowan contacts her during his missions, she is interested only when it looks enjoyable to her (e.g. how she helped Rowan with corrupting the traveling nun or how she came to the witch convent). In other times, she simply doesn't care. During the event with Darla the Huntress, when Rowan contacts Jezera to consult with her a possibility of recruiting a large group of mercenaries, she tells him to stop bothering her because she is currently having some fun. I don't remember Andras being ever so negligent, despite also liking to have fun.

Also, Jezera's schemes, even if they succeed, are often very one-dimensional. Sleeping with an enemy general is a nice idea, but can succeed only against a man of lesser character (I sincerely doubt that someone like Werden could have fallen for a trick like that). In the prologue, Jezera lures Rowan away from Arthdale to capture Alexia, but when Rowan returns she is caught by surprise and is nearly killed/wounded by him. Even Andras calls her out on that after he comes to rescue her. We could also argue that each of the twins has an area of responsibility. Andras is in charge of the military and munitions, Jezera is in charge of spies and foreign relations. But whereas Andras does his job very well, Jezera is only partially successful. She succeeds in gaining Ameraine as an ally in Rastedel but miserably fails during her negotiations with the dark elves. Also, despite being a spymaster, she completely fails to stop plotting of important castle staff members. Both Cliohna and Shaya manage to take Rowan (who is supposedly monitored by Jezera) under their control in their respective paths (the only one who can stop them is Rowan himself, not Jezera) and Cla-Min is running wild with corruption, counterfeit money etc.

 

[Semantics]

But whereas Andras does his job very well, Jezera is only partially successful.

There are points where Andras absolutely bungles his job. The scene with the contingent of orcs that followed Karnas. The scene where a failure by a squad of orcs results in Andras killing the survivors. I think there are a couple other scenes like those. (Maybe in the random orc village recruitment scenes? Can't remember for sure. There's also the post-field-battle scene where he executes tons of captives for shits and giggles, though I can't remember it in enough detail. I'm pretty sure even corrupt Rowan thinks it's wasteful and dumb though.)

The one thing I'll give to Andras over Jezera is that he seems more willing to learn, given the one scene where Rowan is stunned by Andras learning and adjusting. I don't recall ever seeing that with Jezera, though Jezera also seems like she wouldn't want Rowan to see her adjusting her ideas and tactics.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

I think they are too reliant on Rowan to do their tactical thinking for them. The wedge is cleverly there already imo, in that they each want to do thigns differently. I think in time one of them will try and overthrow the other due to lust for power.

Hmm that could be the wedge Rowan could created, help one take out the other.

But truth be told i don't see that happening anytime soon, despite the bickering they do seem very focused on their shared goal of conquest so far.

 

[Oriandu]

There are points where Andras absolutely bungles his job. The scene with the contingent of orcs that followed Karnas. The scene where a failure by a squad of orcs results in Andras killing the survivors. I think there are a couple other scenes like those. (Maybe in the random orc village recruitment scenes? Can't remember for sure. There's also the post-field-battle scene where he executes tons of captives for shits and giggles, though I can't remember it in enough detail. I'm pretty sure even corrupt Rowan thinks it's wasteful and dumb though.)

The one thing I'll give to Andras over Jezera is that he seems more willing to learn, given the one scene where Rowan is stunned by Andras learning and adjusting. I don't recall ever seeing that with Jezera, though Jezera also seems like she wouldn't want Rowan to see her adjusting her ideas and tactics.

There's also the fact that Andras is extremely brutish in his handling of practically everything. We may not see Jezera screw up all that much but that's in large part because Andras is a childish oaf while his sister is a calculating manipulator. Whatever mistakes Jezera makes are likely planned for, she doesn't seem like the type of character to act impulsively unless she has no other choice. Jezera fucks up and throws a temper tantrum when no one is around, whereas Andras is more likely than not going to choke a person out if any mistakes are made even if they're his own. Andras is playing checkers Jezera is pretending to play chess when in actuality her opponent is a taxidermy dummy and she's really playing solitaire.

I get the feeling that Jezera would last a lot longer waging a campaign against Rowan than Andras would. Andras' strategies would be straight forward and brutal assaults that would rely mainly on military might and Rowan knows how to defeat that kind of tactic. Jezera's strategies would center around manipulation, economic pressure, assassination, and backroom politics to soften her opposition before engaging in warfare. Rowan would still defeat her if he had the necessary forces, but she would take longer and cause more vital damage than Andras would.

Okay, now that the paragraphs are out of the way... Did someone se Cia'Min content in the next update?

 

[aykarin]

Okay, now that the paragraphs are out of the way... Did someone se Cia'Min content in the next update?

Yeah, Cla-Min starts trading with orcs in an orc camp and Rowan can help her with that. At the end there is a possibility of a sex scene. Overall it's quite good I think.

 

[Anonikus]

There's also the fact that Andras is extremely brutish in his handling of practically everything. We may not see Jezera screw up all that much but that's in large part because Andras is a childish oaf while his sister is a calculating manipulator. Whatever mistakes Jezera makes are likely planned for, she doesn't seem like the type of character to act impulsively unless she has no other choice. Jezera fucks up and throws a temper tantrum when no one is around, whereas Andras is more likely than not going to choke a person out if any mistakes are made even if they're his own. Andras is playing checkers Jezera is pretending to play chess when in actuality her opponent is a taxidermy dummy and she's really playing solitaire.

Am I completely misremembering things or didn't she blow any and all chances for a powerful Dark elf alliance because of a minor jab at her ego?

I always got the impression that for all of her successes there are plenty of plans that don't pan out do to her arrogance or childishness. She does have contingencies and by the nature of her dealings failures won't always be as visible but she shows strong inclinations to the same destructive temper tantrums when things don't go her way. It hurts her ego in a very different way than Andras' since she wants to be, or at least be seen as, a great schemer and expects herself to not allow bad situations to arise, unlike Andras who just gets angry at the world for not being as he wants/expects.

 

[xvergonha]

Can't wait to try the v2.65

 

[WatsonJohn]

Yes, There is a new Alexia F x F scene this release. No it doesn't involve Mary.




The NTR remains, as always, optional. Alexia can turn down Andras and Jezera, and if she does she canonically never sleeps with them.

I'm aware that people have complained that she's too open to Andras in the prologue, and while that's still not her agreeing to cheat on Rowan, we are just straight up rewriting that scene for the September release.

The choices won't carry over to the next chapter? So even if Alexia cheated on Rowan, the next chapter still assumes nothing really happened??

 

[XxxADOxxX]

Se Need a real Hero!!!

 

[jakerayyan18]

Can't wait for more Alexia x Andras scene!! love the NTR route hope she get pregnants with Andras's childrens in the future

 

[ronadan]

Can't wait for more Alexia x Andras scene!! love the NTR route hope she get pregnants with Andras's childrens in the future

same here. but based on what I read here, we're in the minority. People love to hate Andras. I don't care about him myself, but can't wait to see more major corruption events for Alexia, especially if he is the focus there

btw is there any chance we get to know more about the original Demon Lord? Andras and Jezara's father? or their mother? I would like to at least know how much each of them represents their father's methods. was he a cunning schemer? A ruthless conqueror? or a mix of both?

 

[Trapitalism101]

Can't wait for more Alexia x Andras scene!! love the NTR route hope she get pregnants with Andras's childrens in the future

I love you but I respectfully disagree.

The best NTR route is Greyhide, because he is adorable and deserves to have 2 new cockleeves/cumdumps.

 

[Oriandu]

Am I completely misremembering things or didn't she blow any and all chances for a powerful Dark elf alliance because of a minor jab at her ego?

I always got the impression that for all of her successes there are plenty of plans that don't pan out do to her arrogance or childishness. She does have contingencies and by the nature of her dealings failures won't always be as visible but she shows strong inclinations to the same destructive temper tantrums when things don't go her way. It hurts her ego in a very different way than Andras' since she wants to be, or at least be seen as, a great schemer and expects herself to not allow bad situations to arise, unlike Andras who just gets angry at the world for not being as he wants/expects.

Both of the twins are extremely childish, they're just childish in different ways and with Andras it's more obvious and more impactful on everything he does. With Jezera she does show how immature she is a few times throughout the story, but she's still far more likely to go through a situation showing little to no emotional response than her brother is and is capable of controlling herself far better. Their childish tendencies are part of why I view Rowan as absolutely integral to their plan. Ignoring the fact that Rowan is a talented warrior, a skilled strategist, and when necessary a shrewd negotiator, he's also able to keep a level head during difficult situations, he's observant, quick thinking, and very intelligent, and on top of all that he's an adult. If it wasn't for the overt sexual nature of the game it would not be hard to write Rowan into a paternal figure for the twins.

 

[gamingdevil800]

Within reason, but we still feel that we were inexpert with our portrayal of it. At the end of the day, sometimes if a scene is producing more varied reaction when we intended, it implies that the communication was imperfect. So, while we're clearing up and improving the rest of the intro (RIP Trap Door) we want to do a better job making that scene feel consistent with the rest of the Alexia NTR. One element of that is giving the player more control of her reaction to him.



That's a new CG for the "Confrontation" branch of the Shaya Finale. What's being portrayed is something of a spoiler.

 

[gamingdevil800]

Despite all of his obvious flaws, Andras is perhaps a better leader than Jezera. Sure, he is in many ways primitive and brutish, also has anger issues. But Jezera is even more incompetent: despite being good at scheming (and often succeeding at it), she is completely childish, irresponsible and seems to be less focused on her duties than Andras. The red demon spends most of his time in barracks, training and commanding orcs, while also supervises forge work and driders - overall he seems to be very focused on his duties. Jezera on the other hand tends to spend most of her time playing with maids or devising petty schemes. She doesn't seem to be taking her role seriously at all. While Andras often cooperates with Rowan on his missions (we can see it during orc tribe events and village occupation events), Jezera spends most of her time in her chambers. If Rowan contacts her during his missions, she is interested only when it looks enjoyable to her (e.g. how she helped Rowan with corrupting the traveling nun or how she came to the witch convent). In other times, she simply doesn't care. During the event with Darla the Huntress, when Rowan contacts Jezera to consult with her a possibility of recruiting a large group of mercenaries, she tells him to stop bothering her because she is currently having some fun. I don't remember Andras being ever so negligent, despite also liking to have fun.

Also, Jezera's schemes, even if they succeed, are often very one-dimensional. Sleeping with an enemy general is a nice idea, but can succeed only against a man of lesser character (I sincerely doubt that someone like Werden could have fallen for a trick like that). In the prologue, Jezera lures Rowan away from Arthdale to capture Alexia, but when Rowan returns she is caught by surprise and is nearly killed/wounded by him. Even Andras calls her out on that after he comes to rescue her. We could also argue that each of the twins has an area of responsibility. Andras is in charge of the military and munitions, Jezera is in charge of spies and foreign relations. But whereas Andras does his job very well, Jezera is only partially successful. She succeeds in gaining Ameraine as an ally in Rastedel but miserably fails during her negotiations with the dark elves. Also, despite being a spymaster, she completely fails to stop plotting of important castle staff members. Both Cliohna and Shaya manage to take Rowan (who is supposedly monitored by Jezera) under their control in their respective paths (the only one who can stop them is Rowan himself, not Jezera) and Cla-Min is running wild with corruption, counterfeit money etc.

Would just like to point out it's actually better to not let Cliohna and Shaya dominate you, turning the tables on them to make you an equal has better overall results. 100% with Shaya and definitely will with Cliohna too it may be important later on.

 

[Oriandu]

There's also the fact that the twins spend a decent amount of time knocking Rowan down a peg or two whenever they can to keep him under control, so not letting minor character dominate him is a good way to keep his development intact and remind the player that the twins are only really in charge so long as he's at a major disadvantage and that they wouldn't stand a chance against him if the power gap was smaller.

 

[Deleted member 3378174]

In times like these when the update has dropped and the thread is barren of links I ask myself...

 

[aykarin]

Would just like to point out it's actually better to not let Cliohna and Shaya dominate you, turning the tables on them to make you an equal has better overall results. 100% with Shaya and definitely will with Cliohna too it may be important later on.

You are right. If we look at things from the perspective of 'what actions can strenghthen Rowan's position and give him advantage for eventual future rebellion' then it's definitely worth to stand on even grounds with Cliohna and Shaya. In my previous message I just wanted to point out that Jezera as a castle spymaster is ignorant of these matters. She probably doesn't even know that both Cliohna and Shaya play their own game with Rowan and doesn't intervene in their efforts to subdue Rowan.

 

[cazala]

I have the fey emissary arrived in Bloodmeen, but where could I find them? They're not in living quarters.