Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.06] [Vénus Noire]

[Semantics]

The thing with TiTS and CoC2 is that they come from the team that made CoC. I don't know about you but first porn game I put any time in was CoC and I honestly believe that is true for the majority of the western audience. Plus both of those games pump out content at a crazy patch (multiple content patches in a month) but most importantly also have very clear niche kinks, namely transformation and futanari. The first excuses them from not having artwork; how could they? And having a niche you serve more than others means that people into that kink are most likely to follow you.

I chose the spread of games pretty precisely, honestly, including CoC/TiTS. (Though I'd imagine CoC being western players' first game might not be as large a percentage as you think. Keep in mind that most people in their 30s were 20+ before CoC existed - I think, it's hard to pin down an exact age for the game's start.) Those factors were part of my overall point (And previous completed games was part of what I meant when I said "prior good will"), that there's a lot more that goes into how much a game gets than "Incest, Harem, 3dcg: profit." There are a bevy of reasons each of the games mentioned earn the amounts they do, along with a fair bit of luck.

I think far too often people joke (Or seriously suggest) that you can just combine popular fetishes, good 3dcg, and Ren'py and boom, you've got a big-earning game. It's a lot more complex than that. If the devs gave Rowan some serious heat to pack, a mother and sister, and leaned a bit more into harem territory (Which, honestly, this game should already have the harem tag) SoC would not automatically out-earn most of the games listed above. It might not even get all that large of a bump. The equation's a lot more complex than that. Sadly, games don't always get the amount of money their quality "deserves," even when the content "merits" it.

(Also, CoC2 - not sure about TiTS - does have artwork. That's why I said "minimal." They solved the issue you bring up by simply having the art be PoV so the MC isn't shown, something I'm honestly surprised they didn't do sooner. There just isn't that much of it. And TiTS hasn't pushed out large amounts of new content for a while now due to the Javascript rebuild and resulting storm of bugs.)

 

[Nym85]

(Also, CoC2 - not sure about TiTS - does have artwork. That's why I said "minimal." They solved the issue you bring up by simply having the art be PoV so the MC isn't shown, something I'm honestly surprised they didn't do sooner. There just isn't that much of it. And TiTS hasn't pushed out large amounts of new content for a while now due to the Javascript rebuild and resulting storm of bugs.)

Oh haven't checked them in a while. While both seemed to have a decent amount of gay content at launch, it became clear that they didn't really care to add much of it (especially when CoC2 gave you a female version of the minotaur but never gave a male version of the orc companion and most of the gay plots suggested in the forums for TiTs never kicked off).

 

[perles75]

the amount of money a game makes on Patreon is rarely proportional to the actual quality of the game... so many factors are at play

 

[perles75]

Do people really like Summertime Saga art style better than SoC? What's more, do people really think Summertime Saga style is good? I honestly find it quite ugly.

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By looking at the screenshots, I wouldn't say it's ugly, but not mind-blowing either. Middle of the pack for me, it doesn't stand out in any way.
SoC art style is more evocative. (also fits better the dark mood of the game)

 

[Fleep]

I didn't say that Summertime Saga has a better art style than SoC. I said it has an "extremely inviting" art style, biiiig difference. Summertime Saga, for better or worse, is extremely consistent, well drawn, has a lot of variety in character design, and it's bright, cheerful, and fun. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant because it is objectively good, it's just not complex or particularly detailed. It's also a completely different genre. Using manga as a comparison point, Summertime Saga is One Piece and Seeds of Chaos is Monster. Both have very different art styles, but if someone told me Oda's art style is bad I would laugh... and not in a way that indicates I think what they said is funny. They would be the object of my laughter, it would be cruel, derisive, and insulting laughter. If you told me that Naoki Urasawa is a poor artist I probably wouldn't laugh at you, but I would certainly dismiss your opinion on pretty much everything. SoC's art style is not better than SS's, it's just different.

I didn't say that you said it was better, I asked if people like it better. If you say some style is "extremely inviting" and the other isn't it's not a stretch to think that you like the first one better. Even in your example is seems like you'd defend One Piece fiercer than Monster. But it doesn't matter, I don't find it "extremely inviting" either. It's hard to argue about tastes, but I find SoC style way more detailed and better colored, they play with perspective better, they portray their reactions and orgasming faces better, they make the characters prettier in general... and all that makes the art hotter (the whole point of having art in a porn game). I don't really know what can be inviting about SS, but if you enjoy it, go for it.

 

[Oriandu]

I didn't say that you said it was better, I asked if people like it better. If you say some style is "extremely inviting" and the other isn't it's not a stretch to think that you like the first one better. Even in your example is seems like you'd defend One Piece fiercer than Monster. But it doesn't matter, I don't find it "extremely inviting" either. It's hard to argue about tastes, but I find SoC style way more detailed and better colored, they play with perspective better, they portray their reactions and orgasming faces better, they make the characters prettier in general... and all that makes the art hotter (the whole point of having art in a porn game). I don't really know what can be inviting about SS, but if you enjoy it, go for it.

You quoted me and asked, so I spoke from my perspective. If you don't want me to do that... don't quote me.

 

[Fleep]

You quoted me and asked, so I spoke from my perspective. If you don't want me to do that... don't quote me.

I don't know where you read those things. I didn't say that you couldn't answer (?), I just explained why I thought you liked it better and then I gave my take.

 

[Oriandu]

I don't know where you read those things. I didn't say that you couldn't answer (?), I just explained why I thought you liked it better and then I gave my take.

You made an assumption, I corrected that assumption. Don't try to explain something for other people.

 

[obake]

I'm reminded of shadow of chernobyl whenever someone writes SoC

 

[Exotic_Otterq]

Till we see our goblin mami with physics defying pregnant milkers- all of the pregnancy play stuff is just noise.

Ain't that the truth. The setting and presentation seems to sell itself on a lot of consequences, and while there are some in the story, there's nothing with the sex scenes because a lot of stuff has to kinda just continue on instead of branching out. Apart from Delane's endings and where Helena ends up, I don't think any sex scene really does anything to the plot. I'm still waiting for Alexia to end up with someone else's kid somewhere along the line from all the hooplah she gets up to with people that aren't Rowan. Plus, like you said, not one person gets pregnant by Rowan when he fucks them. Maybe he needs virility treatments rather than Alexia needing fertility ones.

From what the authors have said, we probably won't see anything that drastic until the last section of the game to help keep things constrained so they don't have to write variants for everything. Might have a pregnancy swarm near the end of the game. Just every woman who Rowan fucked ending up with his kids right about the end.

 

[Mamaragan]

I want more Orc degrading Alexia, is it too much to ask?

 

[diebesgrab]

I want more Orc degrading Alexia, is it too much to ask? View attachment 1806226

I was going to say of course not, but then that face loaded in and I changed my mind.

 

[polo12]

I want more Orc degrading Alexia, is it too much to ask? View attachment 1806226

How about Futa Alexia degrading Orc?
Now THAT would be something...

100% corrupted Alexia punishes sissy Orc for spilling her tea.

 

[Payne]

I want more Orc degrading Alexia, is it too much to ask? View attachment 1806226

i want a lot of that. How do i get to see the current Orc Alexia scenes?

 

[Chalker]

>the game has optional NTR
>no the game has forced NTR even when disabled in the settings
>no the NTR is optional
>x25
so... which one is it?

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

>the game has optional NTR
>no the game has forced NTR even when disabled in the settings
>no the NTR is optional
>x25
so... which one is it?
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In earlier versions of the game durring the prologue there was a scene in which your spouse appears to be being won over by her demon captor, which lead a some people to conclude that it was leading to inevitable NTR. In the current version you can choose whether she is being won over or see's through the ruse.

However the demons will continue to proposition her through out the game. Every sex scene in the game is optional though, so she won't actually sleep with anyone unless you chose for her to do so. However, I've heard some people say they feel like even if they don't choose for her to cheat, they feel like it is happening off screen, though I personally disagree with that interpretation.

It can be a fairly dark game, and the protagonists are put into difficult situations, but in the end it is always in the players control whether or not they have sex. If you read the text it is generally super obvious where each choice will lead. However if you skip the text or just skim it you might not fully understand the consequences of some choices which may lead you into a sex scene that you didn't anticipate.

 

[FluffyBunnyCarrotStick]

There are so many things I like about this game and so many things that just frustrate me. As others have mentioned, there are just too many routes and unnecessary random side stories that go no where. It has a major feeling of 'throwing random stuff against the wall and see what sticks'. The dialogue is all over the place and in many situations does not fit the current narrative/progress of the characters' corruption. The side jobs for Alexia are strange as well. You can be corruption level 3 by the time you start those jobs, and she'll act as a timid little mouse in the beginning even after doing some major character changing things. You can tell that there wasn't a definite plan or direction for this game.

I just replayed through and reread everything (for about the 10th time now) and it's just painfully obvious that his is a 'chaotic' mess. I know they're trying to do clean up at this point, but they have A LOT of work ahead of them. I would rather see them disappear for 6 month and make a clean, properly planned story with logical connecting story elements and character 'corruption' elements, then what they're doing currently. It feels to me that they just keep adding building stories on top of a foundation made of sand. I only say these things because I do really want to see this story/game go somewhere, and I think they have a bunch of random elements that are enticing, but boy is it a mess at this point. Just my opinion overall.

 

[diebesgrab]

>the game has optional NTR
>no the game has forced NTR even when disabled in the settings
>no the NTR is optional
>x25
so... which one is it?
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I wrote the hideously outdated tentative guides for this game, for what that’s worth, and I can say with full confidence that the two protagonists, Rowan and his wife Alexia, cannot have sex in this game without the player making the choice for them (with the exception of a bad end or two), either on or off screen. A few important characters can, probably most notably Andras, Jezera, and Shaya (the two demon overlords and a literal prostitute).

Disabling NTR in the prologue simply removes the choices that lead to NTR sex scenes (as well as, by extension, the NTR storylines those scenes lead into). NTR, like virtually all sex in the game, is entirely avoidable regardless of whether it’s on or off.

 

[Chalker]

However if you skip the text or just skim it you might not fully understand the consequences of some choices which may lead you into a sex scene that you didn't anticipate.

So the option to remove the ntr-options leaves (some) ntr-options in the game? I get that it is avoidable, but isn't that also the case with the ntr toggled on?
If that's the case, that's a very odd gameplay decision the creators decide to go with.

 

[mehGusta]

So the option to remove the ntr-options leaves (some) ntr-options in the game? I get that it is avoidable, but isn't that also the case with the ntr toggled on?
If that's the case, that's a very odd gameplay decision the creators decide to go with.

no, it means that you can still avoid NTR even if you left it on.

ntr off = definitely no ntr.
ntr on = only ntr if you choose for it to happen.