Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.07] [Vénus Noire]

[T51bwinterized]

You're being extremely disingenuous here because I had more criticism than just that and went into detail other things. Though I do actually consider it to be ridiculous for how often you go out of your way to do that to humiliate the player character and how often its focused on in the game. Do you think the non-ntr players enjoy that sort of thing? I can try to break down my post, if you're having that much trouble reading through it. But I honestly think you're just using this as a way to dismiss criticism because you're not happy that I call a certain villain the creators dream bull. Because its how the character is written and how he comes off. Which based on the reception of the post, a lot of the things I complain about in the post is obvious to others and they agree. So I'm not the only person that thinks this way clearly.

No. Please. I would love for you to go into intricate detail about all of the things about this game that make you mad. Hopefully in a bullet-point list.

Can you like... just stop?

Let me have my fun.

 

[Ragingrager]

No. Please. I would love for you to go into intricate detail about all of the things about this game that make you mad. Hopefully in a bullet-point list.



Let me have my fun.

Well your projection of your own anger noted, but I'm not sure I see the point after this post. You obviously have nothing but utter contempt for this side of the playerbase and the people that expressed their agreement with the post. I'd be willing to make a less hyperbolic and more serious post and meet you half way, but its clear you have no intention to show any sort of sincerely to the other side of player bases feedback or myself. I also doubt my feedback up make it to anyone else who might be receptive. This all kind of just proves my point. Which is a shame because I honestly originally had a lot of high hopes for this game. But the Rowan actually winning path is clearly not something you plan on taking feedback on or seriously. Which the entire last part of that long post was about, just general hopes for it.

 

[T51bwinterized]

We take feedback. Most of the time people come in here like "I don't like so and so because of so and so reason" and I nod and note down what people dislike and then see what can be done. I'm trying to talk to Arioch about changing the way that the mid-corruption scenes triggered based on the specific criticism of some of the people here.

It's just that you're hilarious. So please continue talking.

P.S. Yes, yes. If you lay off hyberbole and personal insults, I'll take what you say way more seriously.

 

[errte13]

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I think you're not getting that the story is very bleak, like Berserk bleak. Rowan isn't going to dish OP move that kill armies left and right, he is outnumbered, outpowered, outwitted. He needs to slowly plan his victory, like a normal man, rather an OP protagonist of some shounen manga.

@T51bwinterized
If it's not a spoiler, what are the planned routes for this game?

 

[passing_through]

You obviously have nothing but utter contempt for this side of the playerbase

If I were a betting man I'd say your last few posts have been less about the pro-Rowan side and more about the self-insert side. Time and time again throughout multiple events he's described as being just the average, normal, everyday human. Obviously he's not going to be capable of slapping the brother's head off and will need more than just himself to accomplish the task of eventually beating the twins, you know, instead of the plot suddenly breaking everything up to that point and making a 180 to fulfill YOUR power fantasy. The NTR can be turned off, you can avoid it entirely when it's on, and you can grab multiple women during the story that have yet to even share a single scene with the brother and likely won't until far later in the year 2035 when this game gets to Act 3 where Rowan loses in some coup attempt in a one-off game over screen.

Even with the obvious power gap between Rowan and the brother it's the smaller acts of defiance given as dialogue options, the growing list of crimes made to solidify the wanting of the twins death, and the growing number of potential allies against them that make for a much better story than some unearned sudden boost of godlike strength to suddenly make you forget about ur smol pp.

 

[T51bwinterized]

I think you're not getting that the story is very bleak, like Berserk bleak. Rowan isn't going to dish OP move that kill armies left and right, he is outnumbered, outpowered, outwitted. He needs to slowly plan his victory, like a normal man, rather an OP protagonist of some shounen manga.

@T51bwinterized
If it's not a spoiler, what are the planned routes for this game?

The big three are three basic routes, but we're still settling the exact sub-routes. One route where Rowan remains the twins servant. And two routes where he remains in conflict of them. One where he's still relatively pure trying to stop evil. And one where he's corrupted to chaos but still hungers for vengeance.

 

[T51bwinterized]

If I were a betting man I'd say your last few posts have been less about the pro-Rowan side and more about the self-insert side. Time and time again throughout multiple events he's described as being just the average, normal, everyday human. Obviously he's not going to be capable of slapping the brother's head off and will need more than just himself to accomplish the task of eventually beating the twins, you know, instead of the plot suddenly breaking everything up to that point and making a 180 to fulfill YOUR power fantasy. The NTR can be turned off, you can avoid it entirely when it's on, and you can grab multiple women during the story that have yet to even share a single scene with the brother and likely won't until far later in the year 2035 when this game gets to Act 3 where Rowan loses in some coup attempt in a one-off game over screen.

Even with the obvious power gap between Rowan and the brother it's the smaller acts of defiance given as dialogue options, the growing list of crimes made to solidify the wanting of the twins death, and the growing number of potential allies against them that make for a much better story than some unearned sudden boost of godlike strength to suddenly make you forget about ur smol pp.

Yeah, I have some really cool plans for the day when I can write a Rowan in open rebellion. But, we're still in the gathering allies phase of that storyline.

 

[Ragingrager]

I think you're not getting that the story is very bleak, like Berserk bleak. Rowan isn't going to dish OP move that kill armies left and right, he is outnumbered, outpowered, outwitted. He needs to slowly plan his victory, like a normal man, rather an OP protagonist of some shounen manga.

@T51bwinterized
If it's not a spoiler, what are the planned routes for this game?

Oh no I completely understand that part, Rowan is in a bad spot that much is very clear. Its what I was referring to regarding this being unique. But as I mentioned in my other post, there are certain things that just show up constantly and don't really get addressed. He makes a joke about the dick thing, but the reason I mention is because it just keeps happening in the game to the point of like NTR manga parody. Its clearly something that is being used to degrade him or something Rowan is lacking if all of his antagonists flaunt this. Which is fine if Rowan can do something about it, you're going to keep bringing up this characteristic
then let the player do something about it. Clearly a world full of magic, even the wife( I believe) grows one that is bigger than Rowans. Maybe this is something he can do during the up coming revolt content half way, that would be fitting I guess and no other art would have to be changed then because it would just be how things are drawn going forward. Thats why I mention it, its something that endlessly happens in the game. It kind of casts a shadow over the other content Rowan is in.

As for slowly planning his way for victory, it honestly doesn't come off that way. His wife treats him unreasonably and he basically doesn't stand up for himself. he corruption seems to happen way to easily, everyone just gives in instantly. Rowan doesn't really seem like he's getting anywhere as much as just being able to avoid certain things. I'd happy to have a slow build up if there actually seems like there is a plan or something we are working towards. But that doesn't really get shown as taking place in a meaningful manner anywhere.

If I were a betting man I'd say your last few posts have been less about the pro-Rowan side and more about the self-insert side. Time and time again throughout multiple events he's described as being just the average, normal, everyday human. Obviously he's not going to be capable of slapping the brother's head off and will need more than just himself to accomplish the task of eventually beating the twins, you know, instead of the plot suddenly breaking everything up to that point and making a 180 to fulfill YOUR power fantasy. The NTR can be turned off, you can avoid it entirely when it's on, and you can grab multiple women during the story that have yet to even share a single scene with the brother and likely won't until far later in the year 2035 when this game gets to Act 3 where Rowan loses in some coup attempt in a one-off game over screen.

Even with the obvious power gap between Rowan and the brother it's the smaller acts of defiance given as dialogue options, the growing list of crimes made to solidify the wanting of the twins death, and the growing number of potential allies against them that make for a much better story than some unearned sudden boost of godlike strength to suddenly make you forget about ur smol pp.

Just see my reply above. I'd be happy to be wrong, but there isn't much progress in Rowan doing much. He's not really getting his own power, we aren't getting real hints of we are heading towards a victory over anyone. I'm fine with the long game if they're going to put as much detail, in the revolt in utterly destroying the Twins. Making the twins his bitch, like I said I'd want as much detail of Rowan corrupting Andras into a weak succubus or something. The same level of detail that Andras has on the MANY many many scenes of him fucking Rowans wife and the many many scenes of him making Rowan his bitch. Which just endlessly increases.
" On the visual novel side the game is inspired by the deep branched dialogue inspired by Obsidian, Bioware, and the Witcher games. These dialogues are designed to be meaningful, and often affect later meetings and events. "

Alright that sounds great, where is the meaningful choices where what we did actually does something that effects anything other than if you get cucked? Where are the scenes where you're building up towards that upcoming revolt or doing any sort of self improvement that is meaningful enough to corrupt the sister to your side during it? I'm just not seeing that aspect being portrayed well in the game so far.

This is what all lead to the original post I made, there aren't much hints of Rowan making progress as much it seems he's going sideways fast instead of forwards.

We take feedback. Most of the time people come in here like "I don't like so and so because of so and so reason" and I nod and note down what people dislike and then see what can be done. I'm trying to talk to Arioch about changing the way that the mid-corruption scenes triggered based on the specific criticism of some of the people here.

It's just that you're hilarious. So please continue talking.

P.S. Yes, yes. If you lay off hyberbole and personal insults, I'll take what you say way more seriously.

See all of the above replies in the post.

 

[flatsoup]

I just want to thank the Devs and writers for attempting this epic saga of smut, corruption, and demonic erotic.

You guys are doing much, much more than actual books/erotica that makes millions of dollars like 50 shades of grey.

Heck, even alpha-beta weird "wolf" porn/omegaverse makes millions of dollars and has huge fandom , and that's just mostly text

I'm wondering how the heck can visual erotic novels/games like these can become more popular, popular like wolf erotica at least

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[Ataman87]

See this sort of thing really only confirms what I stated in the post. The game just exists to spit on you the player really and there is no intention for proper resolution for anything I said. Its not even haterd, its utter disappointment. You guys ruin the player agency and the porn aspect for the people not interested in the NTR, to fuel the NTR part with no proper balance. The ability to "turn it off" doesn't change anything I stated in my previous post. I said it all with that in mind. The game heavily favors the NTR aspect over everything else, and the non NTR path is basically just tacked on to fund the other part. The character designs themselves show that and so does all of the writing. It honestly wouldn't be hard to correct any of this, I just know you have no intention of doing so and its sad. Because otherwise the game could be made into something actually unique.


Where is your confusion.

And how about the plethora of harem based games where there is no alternative as well. Like the "prime gem" on this site Summertime saga. All the scenes there is the mc fucking every girl in town. Is that your "unique" game ?! Were is the group sex there? Where is the swinging an cheating there? Where is your balance. This game as far as i can see is for people with other tastes , not the ones that insust on living their banal power alpha male fantasy. You wound not mid if Rowan was fucking every girl in caste (and he does) cheating on his wife do you ? But where Alexia (the othem mc in the game mind you) gets some action you cry NTR. As for you saying that the coruption happens way to fast . The way i see it Alexia and Rowan are lewd to begin whit its eastabliesh in the first scene 3 min in to the game. All they needed was a little push. And i especialy enjoy the way Alexia is getting in to it - the good noble little house wife that quckly shows her true nature of a horny frustrated slut. Good stuff.

 

[pabo]

The problem that people have with this is that the Jezera submission path automatically triggers before the Andreas one. If you follow the Jezera one, you are locked out of the Andreas one. It would be nice if whoever had more influence impacted the trigger, but we are where we are.

You are looking for "the_challenge". Make sure you are using the updated release, as the first 2.61 had it coded incorrectly. Have fun!

what scenes was this about? The very start when Rowan chooses who to serve and Andreas trying to get closer to Alexia?

 

[Ragingrager]

And how about the plethora of harem based games where there is no alternative as well. Like the "prime gem" on this site Summertime saga. All the scenes there is the mc fucking every girl in town. Is that your "unique" game ?! Were is the group sex there? Where is the swinging an cheating there? Where is your balance. This game as far as i can see is for people with other tastes , not the ones that insust on living their banal power alpha male fantasy. You wound not mid if Rowan was fucking every girl in caste (and he does) cheating on his wife do you ? But where Alexia (the othem mc in the game mind you) gets some action you cry NTR. As for you saying that the coruption happens way to fast . The way i see it Alexia and Rowan are lewd to begin whit its eastabliesh in the first scene 3 min in to the game. All they needed was a little push. And i especialy enjoy the way Alexia is getting in to it - the good noble little house wife that quckly shows her true nature of a horny frustrated slut. Good stuff.

You clearly misunderstood all of my posts, considering nothing I stated implied I considered something like Summer time saga as unique. Secondly Summer Time Saga doesn't claim to be aiming for anything other than it currently is and has no other routes, while this game does. As for the rest of you post, I also never claimed anywhere I wanted an power fantasy and you would know that if you read any of my posts properly etc.

You're clearly only into the cuck stuff and thats your thing then whatever, if Summertime saga claimed to have routes that catered to your thing and didn't I'd support that criticism, however it doesn't. So none of that is much of an argument relevant to any of my points.

 

[Rein]

I'll be honest nwith you people, I spend stupid amount of time complaining to Sommy to get the tits and aheago expressions right, but never once did I give even a moment to think about Rowan's dick.

 

[Ragingrager]

I'll be honest nwith you people, I spend stupid amount of time complaining to Sommy to get the tits and aheago expressions right, but never once did I give even a moment to think about Rowan's dick.

Those are important things to be fair and probably more important really to be focused on first. But the tool used to cause those ahegaos is important also and like I said in that most recent long post. I only bring it up, because its clearly something the game makes a keynote of with its design. I won't repeat myself much on that point, not sure how I can cover it more than there. If the game didn't keep showing things that way, I wouldn't notice. Which it seems like that was the point, which if this is another thing Rowan needs work on and grow so to speak like with everything else. Thats fine, Rowan drinking a potion or using magic to correct the issue when he starts rebelling is an easy plot point I guess. Fitting for a game with porn where women regularly grow dicks.

 

[pabo]

I think the level up menu should be changed and instead of gaining attributes through level up which you only get one you should be able to gain "feats" or "traits" through your adventures. for example if you can dominate Cliohna you should get the trait "unyielding" which gives a certain amount of mental defence. or if you submit you gain the trait "submissive" which forces certain dialog options. so you can't dominate over Cliohna while also taking Minotaur dick up the ass at the same time. That would go against the character you developed

A person can be submissive to females and dominant over males or vice versa. What's more, one can be dom/sub towards certain characters, and these dynamics can change over time, so it makes sense to not have these traits limiting character choices.

 

[diebesgrab]

Whose "Alexis"?

Presumably Rowam’s.

 

[Ragney]

I'll be honest nwith you people, I spend stupid amount of time complaining to Sommy to get the tits and aheago expressions right, but never once did I give even a moment to think about Rowan's dick.

The only dick I am thinking about is Alexia's

 

[Sewyoba]

The only dick I am thinking about is Alexia's

Imagine getting cucked not only by Andras, but his own wife as well

 

[belyak12]

Anyone have a save with like all the scenes unlocked? Love the art! Not so much the grinding haha.

 

[Error 22]

Does anyone else have wonky saves? Whenever I make a new save (or overwrite one), I'm unable to name it and it doesn't even show the time and date of the save. I'm using the Mac version if that's relevant.