Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.07] [Vénus Noire]

[issue28]

That was not a professional thing to say. That was a thing a perv will say which I never say I wasn't. I am on this site after all and I enjoy pervy things. Sue me. Why would I be professional when I am commenting on a pic from an erotic video game?

 

[Ataman87]

And in the next scene he probably fucks her in the ass while Rowan is watching behind the tree to right

Im hoping more in the line of them double teaming her. Alexia proposed to Greyhide " I can bring Rowan along" in one of the scenes in the forge. And borefore the editing of the treesome scene , bouth of them proposed " lets invited Greyhide under the covers next time". So it whoud be just a sensless tease not to have a treesome in some point.

 

[Retromancer]

Why would I be professional when I am commenting on a pic from an erotic video game?

Why indeed? Why would you even get into my trolling little argument as a "professional". Again, I call bullshit

 

[issue28]

That's your prerogative. If you enjoy being a troll more power to you friend.

 

[Meilancholiaa]

If I’m remembering correctly, as of two or three updates ago, that scene involves Rowan watching Andras defeating an orc champion, then gives you the option to have Rowan face Andras himself. The outcome of that fight is based on a d20 roll, and while the odds are stacked against Rowan (regardless of stats, as the few stat ups available don’t make a massive difference in these high DC challenges), it is possible to win, though you’ll likely need to savescum to get that outcome.

That said, the skill system and all roll-based checks are undergoing a massive overhaul and will be updated soon™. I imagine the check will still be tough, as Andras is supposed to be an extremely powerful individual compared to Rowan at this stage of the game, but it may scale better with Rowan’s level or whatever they end up using.

Ah, I see. Maybe I was misremembering or they redid the entire scenario. In any case, thanks for the write-up.

In regards to Rowan being fairly weak, is there an explanation for that? Iirc he was in the party of heroes that defeated the demon lord, right? If so, even if he wasn't the party's most powerful member, he should still be among the strongest humans in the setting I would think? I stopped playing back then because I think I was disappointed that this legendary hero was a total pushover in all respects.

 

[manscout]

Ah, I see. Maybe I was misremembering or they redid the entire scenario. In any case, thanks for the write-up.

In regards to Rowan being fairly weak, is there an explanation for that? Iirc he was in the party of heroes that defeated the demon lord, right? If so, even if he wasn't the party's most powerful member, he should still be among the strongest humans in the setting I would think? I stopped playing back then because I think I was disappointed that this legendary hero was a total pushover in all respects.

Rowan was the rogue/strategist of the party so definitely not a heavy hitter, and if I recall correctly, a lot of the power he had during their quest came from buffs and blessings that came from the more "godly" party members (forgot the name of the heroine that was the really super blessed one). Rowan was a competent fighter and a brilliant strategist, but without being powered by blessings of the goddess, he's still mostly a regular human being that has been retired from any serious fighting for many years.

 

[issue28]

I don't think he was a rogue... I mean he failed to see he was sitting on a freaking trap door. Even LV1 rogues have the detect trap ability... Plus as a strategist? After getting his ass kicked the first time by the demons he just goes ahead all by himself and in the open in their lair without a back-up plan?

 

[Meilancholiaa]

I don't think he was a rogue... I mean he failed to see he was sitting on a freaking trap door. Even LV1 rogues have the detect trap ability... Plus as a strategist? After getting his ass kicked the first time by the demons he just goes ahead all by himself and in the open in their lair without a back-up plan?

You're right, a renowned strategist wouldn't run in alone and without any kind of plan, even with his wife taken. And a master rogue (or even a novice rogue) wouldn't fall for the traps he has fallen for. Also, I know the twins threatened consequences if he brought his former friends with him, but not even sending a runner to inform them of the situation with the demons becoming active again in Bloodmeen castle made it hard to suspend my disbelief.

There just seems like a lot of situations where he acts like a complete greenhorn when he should have known better.

 

[sappho]

No one puts this much work into a scam, that defeats the purpose of scamming

 

[issue28]

I agree. My own issues with the game aside this is clearly not a scam. You can see how much was put into this game and the care of details. They clearly care about this game. But this games suffers from many other such games suffer. Too much ambition. Is not a bad thing per se but you will get a production time that is way longer than it should be. Another example is Echhi Sensei which is in production for 2 years now and they only made 1 month of a whole year of story and if it keeps it up like this will be finished in 24 years....

 

[aqd]

Oh i am not hating. Everyone should be a fan of what they like. I am just talking from a psychological point of view. NTR is made to make you feel worthless, like you deserve to be cucked and lose your girl to a superior specimen. It requires a lot of self loathing to be into that. If you are into that that's fine by me, is a free world, mostly.

You think everyone self-inserts? I enjoy the betrayal and the corruption of the female becoming more wanton and giving into lust a little at a time. I think that stems from real-world women being sexually reserved/repressed, typically playing the role of running from male advances to protect their 'integrity', so seeing them so swayed by their lustful desires they break the bonds of a relationship is where the excitement lies. Granted, I'm making some sweeping generalities, and when the female gets to full bimbo/slut she in no longer attractive. It's like a asymptotic curve, where a totally asexual woman is unattractive, and they get more and more attractive as they become more sexually engaged and corrupted, until the point it flips over and they are repulsive. I think I generally prefer female focused or female protag, but the netorare games often do a better job of focusing on the wife's corruption than netori, which seem more focused on the 'other man' and building harems.

 

[issue28]

You think everyone self-inserts? I enjoy the betrayal and the corruption of the female becoming more wanton and giving into lust a little at a time. I think that stems from real-world women being sexually reserved/repressed, typically playing the role of running from male advances to protect their 'integrity', so seeing them so swayed by their lustful desires they break the bonds of a relationship is where the excitement lies. Granted, I'm making some sweeping generalities, and when the female gets to full bimbo/slut she in no longer attractive. It's like a asymptotic curve, where a totally asexual woman is unattractive, and they get more and more attractive as they become more sexually engaged and corrupted, until the point it flips over and they are repulsive. I think I generally prefer female focused or female protag, but the netorare games often do a better job of focusing on the wife's corruption than netori, which seem more focused on the 'other man' and building harems.

I would agree with you if Alexia would have been the MC. I myself played a lot of female protag games with this type of topic and enjoyed them. But this is not the case in this particular case. The MC is Rowan, and the writing and world build it is well crafted that you can't help not to self-insert to some degree, as a male. Immersion is one of the most important things in most story based video games and general RPGs. If you cannot achieve self-insert than that particular RPG failed in my opinion. It's not the case here which is why by playing it I have some issues with it. The quality of the writing can be good even if I don't agree with what it says.

 

[rickpool98]

Does anyone have a save with this scene i know i have seen the walkthrough but i cant get it to trigger for some reason some help would be appreciated

 

[HatlessHobie]

is there any sort of alexis pregnancy scene implemented and does anyone got a save? ntr is tolerable

 

[poodles]

I only want more Alexia x Greyhide (or other naughty NTR scenes). Is that too much to ask for ?

 

[diebesgrab]

Immersion is one of the most important things in most story based video games and general RPGs. If you cannot achieve self-insert than that particular RPG failed in my opinion.

I disagree 100%. I don’t want to feel like I’m the main character in a story when I read a book, watch a movie, or play a video game; I’ve never even self-identified as a character I created in a pen and paper RPG. In any story, I just want to see the story play out, or enjoy the interactions between characters. If a character, including the protagonist, is likeable and understandable, I’ll empathize with him or her, but I don’t see myself as the main character. I understand that some people get a kick out of pretending, and that’s fine, but “immersion” is an entirely optional facet of a story-based game, and mostly a marketing meme as far as I’m concerned.

 

[dhuemnptai]

I would agree with you if Alexia would have been the MC. I myself played a lot of female protag games with this type of topic and enjoyed them. But this is not the case in this particular case. The MC is Rowan, and the writing and world build it is well crafted that you can't help not to self-insert to some degree, as a male. Immersion is one of the most important things in most story based video games and general RPGs. If you cannot achieve self-insert than that particular RPG failed in my opinion. It's not the case here which is why by playing it I have some issues with it. The quality of the writing can be good even if I don't agree with what it says.

Well, most of the NTR events are from the POV of Alexia and the player chooses if she is cheats or not. She kinda is a second protagonist in this game. I love the NTR events because it's fun seeing the slow corruption and seduction of Alexia, how the demons and circunstances made the pure housewife, who's absolutely in love with her husband, begging on the knees of the demons.
I don't feel the dread of

LOL. 4 years! I thought this game was only a year or two old? 4 years! I take back my other post. these dudes are clearly just scammers. 4 years and they don't even have a picture for a bastard sword or iron breastplate. I wonder how long they'll be able to stretch this out before most of their patrons wise up

Well, for two years the game didn't made any profit and didn't had half the team it has today. The game has almost 900 CGs now and so many events that is impossible to achieve all of them in a single playthrough.

 

[T51bwinterized]

I don't think he was a rogue... I mean he failed to see he was sitting on a freaking trap door. Even LV1 rogues have the detect trap ability... Plus as a strategist? After getting his ass kicked the first time by the demons he just goes ahead all by himself and in the open in their lair without a back-up plan?

You're right, a renowned strategist wouldn't run in alone and without any kind of plan, even with his wife taken. And a master rogue (or even a novice rogue) wouldn't fall for the traps he has fallen for. Also, I know the twins threatened consequences if he brought his former friends with him, but not even sending a runner to inform them of the situation with the demons becoming active again in Bloodmeen castle made it hard to suspend my disbelief.

There just seems like a lot of situations where he acts like a complete greenhorn when he should have known better.

yes, Rowan was the parties strategist. He's a very good fighter, especially when it comes down to skirmishing and light armor. But, he can't out duel a demon, and he's not such a master that he can outfight multiple knights at once.

Oh yeah. The trap door. I actually kinda agree with you, and the trap door is basically a relic of writing from years ago. If we ever get the chance to polish that bit, the trap door (and some of the other stupidities of his plan in the prologue) aren't surviving. No promises if we'll get the chance.

LOL. 4 years! I thought this game was only a year or two old? 4 years! I take back my other post. these dudes are clearly just scammers. 4 years and they don't even have a picture for a bastard sword or iron breastplate. I wonder how long they'll be able to stretch this out before most of their patrons wise up

We put out 20k to 40k of words of writing per month, nearly 7-10 CGs per month, and 3-6 Sex Scenes per month and we have for years. Were this the side of a normal game, we'd be cranking a full game out every 4 months. Our present material would be 10 to 15 games worth of content.

The item images are in their present state because that content is slated for removal.

I only want more Alexia x Greyhide (or other naughty NTR scenes). Is that too much to ask for ?

Ask and ye shall recieve. We're working on more Greyhide for the upcoming Patreon release.

I would agree with you if Alexia would have been the MC. I myself played a lot of female protag games with this type of topic and enjoyed them. But this is not the case in this particular case. The MC is Rowan, and the writing and world build it is well crafted that you can't help not to self-insert to some degree, as a male. Immersion is one of the most important things in most story based video games and general RPGs. If you cannot achieve self-insert than that particular RPG failed in my opinion. It's not the case here which is why by playing it I have some issues with it. The quality of the writing can be good even if I don't agree with what it says.

I disagree 100%. I don’t want to feel like I’m the main character in a story when I read a book, watch a movie, or play a video game; I’ve never even self-identified as a character I created in a pen and paper RPG. In any story, I just want to see the story play out, or enjoy the interactions between characters. If a character, including the protagonist, is likeable and understandable, I’ll empathize with him or her, but I don’t see myself as the main character. I understand that some people get a kick out of pretending, and that’s fine, but “immersion” is an entirely optional facet of a story-based game, and mostly a marketing meme as far as I’m concerned.

This game is designed to be enjoyed both on a level of self-insertion and on a level of vicarious enjoyment and both methods of engagement are fully supported. It is entirely possible for someone to enjoy the material without self-insertion, even if it's legitimate for someone else to self-insert.

I just don't think you're right about RPGs. There are multiple avenues by which people can enjoy games. I don't think immersion is a gimick or unimportant. And I think that it'd be a mistake to ignore the ways people engage with charachters through identification. But, the alternative perspective that over values it is too narrow and leads to problems understanding why some people enjoy the games they do.

On a personal level, I enjoy NTR stories from the perspective of, like, a malevolent god wreaking havoc on the lives of these poor mortals. It's why I prefer NTR stuff not be from the guy's perspective most of the time (and why Rowan is basically a non-entity in the Jezera x Alexia NTR scenes I write)

Well, most of the NTR events are from the POV of Alexia and the player chooses if she is cheats or not. She kinda is a second protagonist in this game. I love the NTR events because it's fun seeing the slow corruption and seduction of Alexia, how the demons and circunstances made the pure housewife, who's absolutely in love with her husband, begging on the knees of the demons.
I don't feel the dread of

Well, for two years the game didn't made any profit and didn't had half the team it has today. The game has almost 900 CGs now and so many events that is impossible to achieve all of them in a single playthrough.

We treat Alexia as the Deuteragonist and often use her to help drive the arc, as well as to frame events from her PoV. It's entirely deliberete and we design the game that way on purpose. I actually know some female players who said they self-insert as Alexia at times when playing. It all depends on how any individual person wants to enjoy the game.

 

[poodles]

yes, Rowan was the parties strategist. He's a very good fighter, especially when it comes down to skirmishing and light armor. But, he can't out duel a demon, and he's not such a master that he can outfight multiple knights at once.

Oh yeah. The trap door. I actually kinda agree with you, and the trap door is basically a relic of writing from years ago. If we ever get the chance to polish that bit, the trap door (and some of the other stupidities of his plan in the prologue) aren't surviving. No promises if we'll get the chance.



We put out 20k to 40k of words of writing per month, nearly 7-10 CGs per month, and 3-6 Sex Scenes per month and we have for years. Were this the side of a normal game, we'd be cranking a full game out every 4 months. Our present material would be 10 to 15 games worth of content.

The item images are in their present state because that content is slated for removal.




Ask and ye shall recieve. We're working on more Greyhide for the upcoming Patreon release.




This game is designed to be enjoyed both on a level of self-insertion and on a level of vicarious enjoyment and both methods of engagement are fully supported. It is entirely possible for someone to enjoy the material without self-insertion, even if it's legitimate for someone else to self-insert.

I just don't think you're right about RPGs. There are multiple avenues by which people can enjoy games. I don't think immersion is a gimick or unimportant. And I think that it'd be a mistake to ignore the ways people engage with charachters through identification. But, the alternative perspective that over values it is too narrow and leads to problems understanding why some people enjoy the games they do.

On a personal level, I enjoy NTR stories from the perspective of, like, a malevolent god wreaking havoc on the lives of these poor mortals. It's why I prefer NTR stuff not be from the guy's perspective most of the time (and why Rowan is basically a non-entity in the Jezera x Alexia NTR scenes I write)



We treat Alexia as the Deuteragonist and often use her to help drive the arc, as well as to frame events from her PoV. It's entirely deliberete and we design the game that way on purpose. I actually know some female players who said they self-insert as Alexia at times when playing. It all depends on how any individual person wants to enjoy the game.

Hell yes. Can’t wait. Honestly, Alexia x Greyhide is in my like top 5 of all sex scenes/pairings for lewd games. Really excited to see where that goes. It’s the kinkiest shit ever, and I love it. Great work.

 

[Balrual]

Just wanted to say, this is my favorite adult game I've found thus far. I do find the RNG frustrating at times (maybe have a more linear game type further down development?). I've had two completely different major story events trigger from the save when I reloaded, so I was confused.

Am I impatient for new content? Fuck yea, but I want it when it's ready, not XYZ date. Maybe have a Rowan/Alexia seduce X character with repeatable option when their mutual corruption is at a certain point? Just throwing it out there.

Thanks T51 & team.