Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.08] [Vénus Noire]

[T51bwinterized]

After reading through a couple pages of comments it seems like the predominant conversations are regarding three things:

1. How do I get to the 'good parts' of the game without playing the game
2. The classic and endless NTR debate
3. Release schedule/amount of content

Here's my take:
1. Well you could always play the game and actually read the text... That said, if the majority of people want to skip the gameplay maybe the gameplay could be made more fun? I'm not convinced it's the majority though, since the posters are the loudest voices, so there's a great deal of sample bias. But I'm trying to think of another game here with fun gameplay. They used to all be rpgmaker games, and I actually enjoyed Noxian nights, but I was just following a walkthrough to get all the scenes. They constant battles and grinding aren't really fun. Currently there are a lot of RenPy 'games' that are actually just visual novels with maybe a choice or two, but no real mechanics. SoC is unique in it's gameplay and mechanics, and I think they do work, and I really don't know how they could be 'spruced up' to be more engaging. You don't really have to grind (thank god), but you do have to accomplish certain goals. There can be a lot of time between scenes at times, and it would be great if every encounter had a CG or two with it as a little reward, especially ones that aren't dependent on getting the right dice rolls, but dependent on role-playing the character. And on that ridiculous run-on sentence, on to the next topic...

2. You could say all porn is ntr, unless you're watching your own sex tapes, it just doesn't rub it in. Now, writing that builds these characters and shows love and connection, then lust, corruption, and betrayal or corruption and sharing/slutification hit you a lot harder in the feels, but it's really a matter of perception and opinion. I personally love the Andras/Alexia storyline and the Greyhide/Alexia storylines. It's great seeing a path where Alexia is being corrupted externally, and Rowan is open to swinging and sharing. I hope there are more options eventually, like Rowan sharing Alexia around to gain power, or Rowan participating or being humiliated in a threesome with Andras and Alexia.

3. These devs release very high quality content consistently. I haven't seen another game with this level of polish, and they actually meet deadlines and have their shit together. Sure it's not perfect and there are scenes I don't really care about every month, but seeing as I don't have the time (or art skill, I mean my 5th grade teacher literally held up a picture I had turned in to the whole class and laughed at my best efforts) to develop my own game, or the wealth to personally fund the exact fetishes I want, I think I'll take what I can get. I think they're making something pretty novel and enjoyable, and their hard work shows.

Well, we actually are doing a full gameplay overhaul. This consists of going through and adding more areas where the events are effected by stats/levels/gameplay while at the same time removing elements of the gameplay that are less tightly put together.

Thanks for all of the praise.

Sorry, I'm both confused and there is a lot to unlock here. First, there are full corruption scenes? As opposed to high? Or do they mean the same thing? Also, what do you mean by "conditionals"? Let's say, for example, that you wrote the stores getting set on fire event or the orcs getting diseased event (which I seem to get every playthrough). So there would be small line changes or differences in outcome based off of Rowan's corruption? Because I haven't noticed them. Do all the writers do this? Or do you mean only for the requirements/writing for important events - I'm basically talking sex scenes here, but also apply for the big story events like Rastedel etc.

Full corruption as in high corruption. I might have not made that clear.

And yes, that's what I mean. Here is a small segment of text from the recent Abbey negotiation event.

"Another woman, this one with back length cum filled hair, was furiously jerking every orcish penis put in front of her. The speed of her hand movements were dizzying. Rowan noted to himself that a swordsman could only wish for that kind of finesse.

//If low corruption
Rowan found it hard to watch the scene in front of him. These had once been the daughters and wives of western Rosaria. Once they may have practiced dancing for festivals or had romances with the local boys.
Rowan: ...

//If Medium/High corruption
Rowan honestly didn’t pay the proceedings much mind. This was hardly the first orcish gangbang he’d seen by this point. It probably would not be the last.
Rowan: Hmmm."
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Lines like that FILL my events. It is not uncommon for there to be 20 or more conditional statements in a single average size event. At times, that is part of why some might argue that the game isn't that large. Like 20% of the content is decently easy to miss. There are also all kinds of events in the game with conditional triggers.

These exist in most of the writer's material and in most scenes that are above 500 words, and even some of those have one or two conditionals in them. It's not just story events or sex scenes. Me with my "20 or more conditional statements" is more then DM, Arioch, or Hooky do. However Rein actually writes more conditionals then I do.

 

[TheSexinati]

Me, after reading through all the new posts: "God damnit, every time I miss all the good shit!"

However Rein actually writes more conditionals then I do.

For a moment there, I though you were going to say "Rein does more ellipses than I do"...

Please don't kill me Rein...

 

[T51bwinterized]

Rein also does more ellipses then I do...

 

[Tydeusv]

Rein uses more ellipses than Louis-Ferdinand Céline (google it).

 

[DaddyGrond]

i loved and unlocked all the scenes in this game, its so fun not only the fucking but the storyline as well, so many options and stuff to do.

Only thing i am sad for is that i dont have Greyhide 3rd and Greyhide Alexia scenes, only the dinner and thats it... so sad about this.

 

[Johnny12]

i loved and unlocked all the scenes in this game, its so fun not only the fucking but the storyline as well, so many options and stuff to do.

Only thing i am sad for is that i dont have Greyhide 3rd and Greyhide Alexia scenes, only the dinner and thats it... so sad about this.

any chance you can post your save if you have everything unlocked ? thanks

 

[spitfire335]

I am having fun with the newer builds of the game. I always have my Rowan be rather dominant in the game. Cliohna has tried and tried again to mentally dominate him but he is too stalwart. I do think that she is beginning to have a growing fascination with Rowan. Hopefully down the line this can lead to more serious relationship with the sorceress. No X'Zaratl scenes for a while recently though.

 

[HK51]

Hey, guys, will the Rowan be able to turn tables onto twins somewhere down the story (maybe even killing them for all I care) or the world will always make him submit under them?

The choice of agreeing to serve 'em biding time for revenge looks promising.

 

[Devon Rehab]

I like the the idea of different levels of corruption giving scene variations. One of my favorite ones I've found so far is one of the village capture/negotiation events. You encounter a young girl who fallows you around and invites you to her home to eat with her family. At a low corruption Rowan thinks like the hero he's supposed to be, but at a high enough corruption level he has to hide his annoyance with the girl and thinks that if she keeps following around interesting looking strangers she's going to end up raped and/or murdered someday.

 

[rivon]

I don't care how you justify it, as I'm honestly not paying for it. The fact of the matter is you're releasing unfinished content. Justify it however you like, you're ripping people off. Do you know why patreons like Summertime Saga make so much money? It's not the art, or the content, or the fans having a say, it's the fans having the illusion of say. The patreon donators feel involved, but they're not involved any further than the order in which things are done. You should be scaling back on patreon input and simply use it as a guide. You'll have more consistent content, and that will bring in more fans. I would consider donating to the project as I enjoy NTR and I enjoy the art style. But between how poorly designed the game is, how heavily it seems to focus on randomness, and how incomplete things seem to be when you make releases, I am convinced not to. You basically put out a release with no content and now you're scaling back?

That's just false. While im not a fun of early access games in general and unfinished games in particular. I would rather see complete product (and buy it one steam). I do understand that it unrealistic to make such a project without founding on Patreon. In fact Summertime Saga with it's simplistic art and lazy developer illustrate fully that there is huge demand on the market for such games. Unfortunately people are to lazy/dumb to do there research and see what else available on Patreon and Patreon lack (Steam as well actually) good search engine. I did my research and i must say there are much worse adult games that get founded and actually get more money per month. Seeds of Chaos is not a perfect game, but people, who do it, obviously, doing their best which is commendable.

 

[BobBobbyBob007]

Try going in the forge and you'll find an option for that.

I go in the forge each days lol. Alexia still work at the forge.

 

[mochi]

Can i kill andras? I dont like other men in my games. All the waifus should belong to the MC.

 

[T51bwinterized]

Can i kill andras? I dont like other men in my games. All the waifus should belong to the MC.

You cannot kill Andras, the main antagonist, in the current game. Even if you could there would still be other men.

 

[mochi]

You cannot kill Andras, the main antagonist, in the current game. Even if you could there would still be other men.

There should be a way to kill them all pal. Only one person in the world should have all the girls. It would be more immersive that way.

 

[diebesgrab]

>kill all the men
>jezera and her army of succubi inherit the earth

I'm okay with this.

 

[T51bwinterized]

There should be a way to kill them all pal. Only one person in the world should have all the girls. It would be more immersive that way.

If you are looking for a harem simulator without nuance or conflict, I am sure that you can easily find such a game. They make tons of them.

This game has antagonists who are meaningful challenges, a hollistic world including a protaganist with depth, and women who are likely to respond to the notion of being collected like Pokemon.

 

[T51bwinterized]

>kill all the men
>jezera and her army of succubi inherit the earth

I'm okay with this.

Psh. As if Jezera would be able to get along with the Succubi at that point it'd be a bloodbath in a week...or a cum bath...

 

[crescentlegion]

You cannot kill Andras, the main antagonist, in the current game. Even if you could there would still be other men.

Forget killing Andras. CAN I FUCK HIM IN THE ASS YET AS ROWAN?

 

[T51bwinterized]

Forget killing Andras. CAN I FUCK HIM IN THE ASS YET AS ROWAN?

I would have to confer with my colleagues. I don't know. He could power bottom? That could be a thing?

Note: I don't handle ANY of the M/M

 

[crescentlegion]

I would have to confer with my colleagues. I don't know. He could power bottom? That could be a thing?

Note: I don't handle ANY of the M/M

At this point I will take anything as long Andras getting it in ass.