Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.08] [Vénus Noire]

[T51bwinterized]

The "threes company" event where Alexia meets Lurial for the first time could use some rebalancing love.

event('threes_company', triggers="week_end", conditions=('liurialSex == True',),  group='ruler_event', run_count=1, priority=pr_ruler)

The first problem is that the event setup only has a trigger of Rowan following the time honored tradition of banging his secretary the first time she throws herself at him. It's only until we are inside the scene where we start seeing code checks for a minimum level of Alexia's corruption being 51 before the threeway becomes possible (Rowan's offer to share Lurial when he fesses up to sexing her). A check of the NTR flag is nowhere to be seen here either, yet that gets checked for the Grayhide threeway event.

In all of my playthroughs to date, Alexia has never been corrupt enough to allow for a little swinging fun here. In my latest where I kept a keen eye on things while figuring out what was needed to get the Greyhide threeway, Alexia was only at 26 corruption when "threes company" fired a few weeks after the Greyhide threeway is triggered. I've always had to jump into the console to force her up to hotwife levels and avoid the spat and relation drop that occurs otherwise. With her at 26, I had to do:

change_corruption_actor('alexia',25)

to almost double her levels up to 51. I suggest either cutting that check in half to be just more than 25 or to keep it at over 50 but also have another check of whether the couple chased after Greyhide in order to have that threeway even though they both knew that Jezera had spiked their drinks again. Cut the corruption check in half in that case and add some more to the passage where they talk about discovering a new found interest in swinging.

It's going to be a heavy subject of my focus when we get to the Liurial finale.

 

[05841035411]

The "threes company" event where Alexia meets Lurial for the first time could use some rebalancing love.

event('threes_company', triggers="week_end", conditions=('liurialSex == True',),  group='ruler_event', run_count=1, priority=pr_ruler)

The first problem is that the event setup only has a trigger of Rowan following the time honored tradition of banging his secretary the first time she throws herself at him. It's only until we are inside the scene where we start seeing code checks for a minimum level of Alexia's corruption being 51 before the threeway becomes possible (Rowan's offer to share Lurial when he fesses up to sexing her). A check of the NTR flag is nowhere to be seen here either, yet that gets checked for the Grayhide threeway event.

In all of my playthroughs to date, Alexia has never been corrupt enough to allow for a little swinging fun here. In my latest where I kept a keen eye on things while figuring out what was needed to get the Greyhide threeway, Alexia was only at 26 corruption when "threes company" fired a few weeks after the Greyhide threeway is triggered. I've always had to jump into the console to force her up to hotwife levels and avoid the spat and relation drop that occurs otherwise. With her at 26, I had to do:

change_corruption_actor('alexia',25)

to almost double her levels up to 51. I suggest either cutting that check in half to be just more than 25 or to keep it at over 50 but also have another check of whether the couple chased after Greyhide in order to have that threeway even though they both knew that Jezera had spiked their drinks again. Cut the corruption check in half in that case and add some more to the passage where they talk about discovering a new found interest in swinging.

?

If Rowan says "I need to keep her loyal", Alexia only needs a corruption of 30 to go along with it; failing that, it still passes so long as she's been unfaithful in the past (using the "AlexiaUnfaithful" flag). If Rowan says "She was in trouble, and needed protection", it's an autopass so long as you've slept with Jezera (it uses the "AlexiaJezeraSex" variable instead of the NTR flag), and again passes so long as your corruption is over 30. The only time you need to be over 50 is if Rowan says "You can use her too if you like".

Basically, so long as Rowan at least tries to justify it, and Alexia isn't low corruption (or has strayed a bit), you go to the threesome event.

 

[Drexelhand]

I remember hearing that the Alexia-Andras event didn't make it into the last update? Is that going to be in this next one? Or we gotta wait till May?

 

[williamsiow97]

How fix this problem ?

 

[BloodKnight202]

Is there an ending planned where Rowan takes power without being too corrupted? Not like he has to be completely pure or anything just that he doesn't go full demon.

 

[phupdup]

But that "use her too" line is the swinging option which should have a much lower entry bar if the couple has done the threeway with Grayhide. Also with the new Xzaratl content in place, those choices should also come into play in lowering the bar.

?

If Rowan says "I need to keep her loyal", Alexia only needs a corruption of 30 to go along with it; failing that, it still passes so long as she's been unfaithful in the past (using the "AlexiaUnfaithful" flag). If Rowan says "She was in trouble, and needed protection", it's an autopass so long as you've slept with Jezera (it uses the "AlexiaJezeraSex" variable instead of the NTR flag), and again passes so long as your corruption is over 30. The only time you need to be over 50 is if Rowan says "You can use her too if you like".

Basically, so long as Rowan at least tries to justify it, and Alexia isn't low corruption (or has strayed a bit), you go to the threesome event.

 

[Rein]

I talked with winter recently about how all these threesome relationships should interact with one another. It's a bit of a conundrum, especially when it comes to liurial and helayna, where alexia isn't an active participant at the start. We will revisit the logic behind liurial threesome once the details are fleshed out.

 

[05841035411]

But that "use her too" line is the swinging option which should have a much lower entry bar if the couple has done the threeway with Grayhide. Also with the new Xzaratl content in place, those choices should also come into play in lowering the bar.

I don't really agree. Greyhide is their friend, whom they both know and trust, and even then it was a big issue for them at first; X'Zaratl is subtly using succubi powers to remove inhibitions and make them trust her, and isn't keen on doing that for anyone else. These are distinctly different situations.

Rowan isn't offering anything similar with that option; he's describing Liurial as an object of pleasure for Alexia's use, without anything sort of emotional component. He outright describes her as "more of a possession" and tells Alexia "what's mine is yours", as though Liurial's opinion was irrelevant.

There's a big difference between letting in a third person that you know and trust (simply adding a physical component to what was already a close relationship) and just doing whatever feels good because it's convenient and you've already been given a green light.

And, well, Rowan kind of comes across as a pretty big dick in that option. It'd be weird to me if it was persuasive with an Alexia who wasn't pretty well corrupted.

It'd be one thing if there wasn't another way to progress through that event, but there are two other options the player can take which lead to the same result. I don't see much issue in taking one of those options instead.

I could sort of see adding a fourth option, about how Liurial was someone that Alexia would like, but... Not with Rowan having gone ahead and slept with her before Alexia even met her. That seems like something that non-highly-corrupt Alexia should take issue with regardless.

 

[phupdup]

Now that we have more of a story arc with Xzaratl, the old "Xzaratl Guilt Solution" should get looked at for a rewrite. This is the event where the succubus lets Alexia have a little fun with a bullwhip if her husband is game.

event('xzaratl_guilt_solution', triggers="week_end", conditions=('week >=4',
        "castle.buildings['sanctum'].lvl >= 1", 'avatar.guilt > 10'), depends=('xzaratl_s_advances',), group='ruler_event', run_count=1, priority=pr_ruler)

For whatever reason this didn't trigger for me on my latest playthrough until even well after "Demon Bastards" had run. It was jarring to go back from the couples "hey, why not" attitude I choose for them when interacting with Xzaratl to the early game stage "it's evil thing!" all over again.

I guess this event got missed when the initial introductoin to the succubus involving some stalking and basically kidnap was rewritten as a more cordial seduction followed by head scratching afterwards.

 

[Rein]

Now that we have more of a story arc with Xzaratl, the old "Xzaratl Guilt Solution" should get looked at for a rewrite. This is the event where the succubus lets Alexia have a little fun with a bullwhip if her husband is game.

event('xzaratl_guilt_solution', triggers="week_end", conditions=('week >=4',
        "castle.buildings['sanctum'].lvl >= 1", 'avatar.guilt > 10'), depends=('xzaratl_s_advances',), group='ruler_event', run_count=1, priority=pr_ruler)

For whatever reason this didn't trigger for me on my latest playthrough until even well after "Demon Bastards" had run. It was jarring to go back from the couples "hey, why not" attitude I choose for them when interacting with Xzaratl to the early game stage "it's evil thing!" all over again.

I guess this event got missed when the initial introductoin to the succubus involving some stalking and basically kidnap was rewritten as a more cordial seduction followed by head scratching afterwards.

It's being rewritten for the next release.

 

[xXlotus0]

More games with descriptive sex scenes?

 

[05841035411]

Speaking of Liurial... I had an idea.

So, Liurial works as Rowan's secretary because he promised to protect her, while Jezera threw her to the wolves after getting bored with her, yes? And Jezera would probably consider her a decent asset now that she's in a sensitive position, yes? And depending on your choices, Alexia can become her friend, yes? And also depending on your decisions, Alexia can become Jezera's follower/toy/pet/agent, yes?

So...

Wouldn't it make for an interesting event if, as part of later Jezera NTR events, she trains Alexia in the art of cultivating assets by having her bring Liurial back into the fold? First by meeting up with her as part of a normal-ish affair (only one actual scene, but with a longer relationship implied), and then with an unexpected threesome with Jezera; one where Jezera apologizes for the "test" she put her through by abandoning her, praises her for her fortitude and cleverness in thriving on her own, rewarding her for her efforts, and ending with an implied threat if Liurial chooses not to see her again.

And of course, it works (somewhat). Liurial, recognizing the delicacy of her position, decides to share minor things that don't particularly matter, or provide paperwork proof of things that are already widely suspected but unproven. To begin with, at least. Because don't these kinds of things always start with the promise that you're only going to do "a little bit"? But, well, Jezera does know just how to reward someone like Liurial when she's brought something she likes...

And so Rowan continues going out every week, never suspecting that the two people closest to him are sharing everything they know with his captor. The only hints he ever learns are occasionally being praised and scolded for things that Jezera should have no way of knowing - but Jezera always learns things she should have no way of knowing, and loves to taunt him with it, so that's just normal, right?

In my imagination, it's a series of three events, and "canonically" would end at the "just a bit" of information sharing stage for the sake of convenience; that would ensure it doesn't break anything storywise, and prevent a bunch of unnecessary branching.

 

[Back]

Poor Rowan. Damn. ^^'

 

[aykarin]

In regards to Liurial, I would love to some more of Alexia dominating her. We have only one (although great) scene so far, during maid job. Alexia is in a very uncomfortable position, surrounded by perceived enemies and dangers. It would be only logical that frightened and at least slightly corrupted Alexia finds solace in asserting her dominance over those of weaker status than her. Liurial, who basically becomes Rowan's fucktoy, and also acts submissively towards Alexia - would be perfect for that. Through time spent in Bloodmeen, Alexia learns typical "might makes right" mentality. Those stronger, like Jezera or Andras (and even some of the castle NPC) need to be adored, whereas those weaker, like lesser servants, slaves or Liurial, need to be dominated. It would be really enjoyable to see Alexia changing her mindset into typical "might makes right" attitude.

 

[derpyturdmeister]

Seeds of Chaos is not a NTR game.

It's a fantasy eroge with delusions of grandeur and an integrated NTR plotline, but it's not a NTR game.

I thought i would check this thread to see the if any new juicy drama popped up. But this was hilarious. I mean you could not possibly write this while keeping a straight face right ? Because *giggles* Rowan is like the biggest cuck on adult gaming let alone F95. We all know he will be wearing a skirt and become a sissy court jester by the end.

 

[diebesgrab]

I thought i would check this thread to see the if any new juicy drama popped up. But this was hilarious. I mean you could not possibly write this while keeping a straight face right ? Because *giggles* Rowan is like the biggest cuck on adult gaming let alone F95. We all know he will be wearing a skirt and become a sissy court jester by the end.

“Source: Trust me, bro.”

 

[Rein]

I thought i would check this thread to see the if any new juicy drama popped up. But this was hilarious. I mean you could not possibly write this while keeping a straight face right ? Because *giggles* Rowan is like the biggest cuck on adult gaming let alone F95. We all know he will be wearing a skirt and become a sissy court jester by the end.

 

[05841035411]

Poor Rowan. Damn. ^^'

Hey, if Rowan didn't want to be NTR'd by his own wife, he shouldn't have betrayed humanity to conquer the world on behalf of a lusty demoness - much less spend all his time out in the field while said demoness can spend so much time getting closer to his people in the castle >_> .

But hey, it's not all bad; if he's loyal to Jezera, this'll just make her trust him more. Sure, she'll find out that Rowan's spending too much money on the slaves, but... I'm certain that she assumes that anyway. Uncovering minor secrets like that gives her more confidence that he's not planning on sabotaging them in larger ways.

 

[T51bwinterized]

Speaking of Liurial... I had an idea.

So, Liurial works as Rowan's secretary because he promised to protect her, while Jezera threw her to the wolves after getting bored with her, yes? And Jezera would probably consider her a decent asset now that she's in a sensitive position, yes? And depending on your choices, Alexia can become her friend, yes? And also depending on your decisions, Alexia can become Jezera's follower/toy/pet/agent, yes?

So...

Wouldn't it make for an interesting event if, as part of later Jezera NTR events, she trains Alexia in the art of cultivating assets by having her bring Liurial back into the fold? First by meeting up with her as part of a normal-ish affair (only one actual scene, but with a longer relationship implied), and then with an unexpected threesome with Jezera; one where Jezera apologizes for the "test" she put her through by abandoning her, praises her for her fortitude and cleverness in thriving on her own, rewarding her for her efforts, and ending with an implied threat if Liurial chooses not to see her again.

And of course, it works (somewhat). Liurial, recognizing the delicacy of her position, decides to share minor things that don't particularly matter, or provide paperwork proof of things that are already widely suspected but unproven. To begin with, at least. Because don't these kinds of things always start with the promise that you're only going to do "a little bit"? But, well, Jezera does know just how to reward someone like Liurial when she's brought something she likes...

And so Rowan continues going out every week, never suspecting that the two people closest to him are sharing everything they know with his captor. The only hints he ever learns are occasionally being praised and scolded for things that Jezera should have no way of knowing - but Jezera always learns things she should have no way of knowing, and loves to taunt him with it, so that's just normal, right?

In my imagination, it's a series of three events, and "canonically" would end at the "just a bit" of information sharing stage for the sake of convenience; that would ensure it doesn't break anything storywise, and prevent a bunch of unnecessary branching.

I've actually had this idea before. Which is a compliment, btw, because my ideas are great. But, the basic problems with it are what you'd expect. It creates a multi-state that the game would have to deal with for a long stretch of run time. The basic problem is, that not only would it depend on a specific state, it would also have to be preventable by someone who doesn't want their elf Waifu NTRd. And if it was done, it'd have progressive effects throughout the entire game. That's not a hard no, but it's not entirely practical either.

 

[05841035411]

I've actually had this idea before. Which is a compliment, btw, because my ideas are great. But, the basic problems with it are what you'd expect. It creates a multi-state that the game would have to deal with for a long stretch of run time. The basic problem is, that not only would it depend on a specific state, it would also have to be preventable by someone who doesn't want their elf Waifu NTRd. And if it was done, it'd have progressive effects throughout the entire game. That's not a hard no, but it's not entirely practical either.

Thank you ! I honestly expected that it just wouldn't fit into the game's plans, and it would be an idle fantasy forever. I'm glad to hear that it was something already considered.

Here's my thoughts on making it more practical...

As far as being preventable, I think it would be best to leave it as a choice for Alexia; she can say yes when Jezera proposes it, advancing Liurials NTR event, or she can say that it seems too risky if it fails, in which case she's sent to seduce some Prothean woman instead. It'd be a bit strange for Jezera to listen to Alexia's opinion here, but if Jezera only saw Liurial as a way of training Alexia, I don't think it would be unreasonably strange.

As far as the greater impact goes, I'd suggest leaving Liurial in a sort of "dual loyalties" state after the event chain ends, instead of taken fully to Jezera's side. While she may be willing to reconcile with Jezera, she's still smart enough that she knows that Jezera can't be fully trusted - especially since she was abandoned before. If she does anything to lose Rowan's trust, she'll have burnt her last bridge and her value to Jezera, leaving her on her own again. This might not be entirely satisfying if viewed as a Liurial event, but if it's instead considered part of Alexia's growing corruption, well... I'd still be happy with things "only" going this far, at least.

By leaving her in this "dual loyalties" state, though, it should make things much easier for future events; if it seems like she should have informed on Rowan, but it would create too many problems for the plot... Well, that's just another occasion where she felt like the risks outweighed the rewards, and she chose to keep her head down instead. And it's not as though she suddenly hates Rowan; if she thinks that mentioning something too dangerous (like, say, something that would hint at a possible rebellion) would get him killed instead of "just" scolded or punished, that's another case where I could see her staying silent. In general, this would still involve creating the occasional minor variation (like, say, making Liurial a bit more eager to listen to Jezera in "Jezera Rowan Stressed" - especially since it would be helping both her bosses), but such a solution shouldn't cause too many problems to the greater story.

Of course, one could still include a couple of minor events for a seduced Liurial as well, if development time permits - maybe in terms of consequences (such as a corrupt Rowan gaining a point of favor for some particularly underhanded dealings Liurial reported on, or a pure Rowan losing money when Jezera raids the treasury on the grounds that they must have a surplus if Rowan's "wasting" money on making sure people don't starve), possibly bonding with Alexia over their shared spying escapades, or perhaps showing unusual interest in certain aspects of Rowan's work... But I think minor scene variations would probably be enough to make it feel like a "real" change, since Liurial tends to blend into the background already.

Either way, though, thank you again for having considered this possibility in the past !