Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.08] [Vénus Noire]

[feelsbadman.inc]

In what universe is Alexia not a main character? The lowest possible position Alexia could be called is the deuteragonist. Alexia is more important than every other character not named Rowan and has the heaviest amount of content after him. You remove her from the game and a huge, gaping hole would open up that cannot be filled.

*cough*

Anywho, arguing a topic like this is a fool's errand, no one wins.

Sooooo, how about the tits on that new goblin queen looking character?

Come again? (look at attachments) (For the uninitiated chuds Mr. LA here is the creator of this here game SOC) Also nowhere did I state that I would advocate for any of Alexia's content to be removed from the game.

 

[ffive]

How would that not be seen as insulting to the devs (...)

Allow me to repeat myself, because you appear to have gone off without reading to the end:

That's hardly insulting or idiotic when it seems to strike pretty close to home

If someone gets insulted and incensed hearing simple truth, well, that's their problem. Of course, it is perfectly fine to argue that provided statement wasn't true, which is precisely why i offered the person i was replying to a chance to do so.

Monk did provide reasoning behind what he said but you either didn't read what he stated or purposely ignored it to feign ignorance.

Feel free to quote exactly which parts of their post you believe disprove the notion that male MC part of the game is basically "a harem route". Because what i saw was:

Harem can be done in interesting ways. The game would be interesting without any sex in it at all. Besides, like ALL kinks you need good writers to make plots gel. The dev's put a lot of intellect into a lot of different pathings.

then it devolves into rant about Alexia's route. And well, "harem can be interesting and devs put lot of thought into it" is hardly an argument how the male MC part isn't one.

 

[feelsbadman.inc]

Allow me to repeat myself, because you appear to have gone off without reading to the end:

If someone gets insulted and incensed hearing simple truth, well, that's their problem. Of course, it is perfectly fine to argue that provided statement wasn't true, which is precisely why i offered the person i was replying to a chance to do so.


Feel free to quote exactly which parts of their post you believe disprove the notion that male MC part of the game is basically "a harem route". Because what i saw was:

then it devolves into rant about Alexia's route. And well, "harem can be interesting and devs put lot of thought into it" is hardly an argument how the male MC part isn't one.

First there is no "simple truth" because your OPINION of the game isn't objective so you might want to take your head out of your ass. IMO Monks' point seemingly boils down to stating that the writers of SOC have made the plot interesting enough to the point that the game isn't a "basic harem MC' as you and the other person stated. But sure what they stated wasn't really elaborated on so you can have that point. I do like how that's the only part of my response you decided to pick out, is there a reason you didn't respond to the rest of my comment? Or is it because you have nothing to argue against there?

I find it kinda funny that you seem to think that people are only arguing against you because somehow it's the "truth" and that "it strikes close to home". Did it ever occur to you that maybe, just maybe people are defending a character that they like and just don't agree with you and that other person's not very smart point? As I said earlier the fact that you are even getting any replies arguing against what's been said disproves the notion that "people are only here to see Alexia fall into depravity". Do people here not defend Alexia to the death anytime someone brings up a gripe that they have with her? I don't see why fans of Rowan can't do the same when it's something as egregious as stating that he's a boring run of the mill average character. If I were to say Alexia is your average horny slut housewife just like every women in every NTR ever would those people who respond to me upset about what I've said just be angry because it's the "simple truth"? Or could it just be that she's a character they enjoy and want to defend?

 

[lamebrain]

How would that not be seen as insulting to the devs, Alexia isn't a main character for a reason, Rowan is. If you think the devs would appreciate someone saying that a majority of their game is a boring cliché and that the side character is more interesting and the only thing people show up for, I don't see how that wouldn't be a slight against their writing capabilities

Alexia has almost as much content as Rowan, if not the same amount. She's pretty much a co-protagonist. I echo the original sentiment, which is that Alexia and her fantastic descent into depravity is what makes this game what it is. The Rowan content is fine, but I come for Alexia (pun very much intended).

 

[Cervixpunch]

Allow me to repeat myself, because you appear to have gone off without reading to the end:

If someone gets insulted and incensed hearing simple truth, well, that's their problem. Of course, it is perfectly fine to argue that provided statement wasn't true, which is precisely why i offered the person i was replying to a chance to do so.


Feel free to quote exactly which parts of their post you believe disprove the notion that male MC part of the game is basically "a harem route". Because what i saw was:

then it devolves into rant about Alexia's route. And well, "harem can be interesting and devs put lot of thought into it" is hardly an argument how the male MC part isn't one.

Why are you asking someone to disprove it's a harem route when "same as a typical male MC harem game without the Alexia's depravity route. Harem can be done in interesting ways " was in the comment you responded to? I think you've got your wires crossed there. At no point do they say it's not a harem game or route.

Without Alexia's depravity route is the important part no? Since the whole discussion was about Alexia. That the game is not a harem game is you putting words in their mouth at no point do they say it's not a harem game. They're disagreeing Alexia is the only thing stopping it been a typical one and Alexia been the games main draw. Considering there's a gay route right there and how dark this game gets yeah I'd say it's pretty accurate to say Alexia is not the only thing stopping the game been the same as every other harem game. Hell Rowan can be anything from monogamous, gay, a cuck to a man whore. There's been a lot of work creating a lot of choice and routes that cater to multiple kinks and orientations. I'd say the games pretty different from say WVM, Milfy City or sisterly lust or whatever Alexia route or no.

You can take Alexia out right now and it's not a typical harem game. As any player that impaled Rowan on a foot of Minotaur cock can likely attest. It's a fucking harem game with Alexia's routes for a lot of players, which is another reason dancingqueen's comment was kinda dumb. The Alexia NTR route isn't the games main draw never mind it's only one any more than Helayna, Liurial, Jezera, Andras, Greyhide etc are.

 

[feelsbadman.inc]

Alexia has almost as much content as Rowan, if not the same amount. She's pretty much a co-protagonist. I echo the original sentiment, which is that Alexia and her fantastic descent into depravity is what makes this game what it is. The Rowan content is fine, but I come for Alexia (pun very much intended).

Refer to my above post where I provide images in which the creator of the game clearly stated Alexia is not a protagonist. If that's why you enjoy the game that's fine, the issue is when people like you pretend that Alexia is somehow the only reason that people enjoy the game. If you aren't a fan of Rowan you don't have to be, but Alexia isn't the only thing bringing people to this game and sorry to say but Rowan is the main character not Alexia and that won't be changing anytime soon. IMO the game would be insanely boring if Alexia was the main character as I am someone who actually enjoys the plot and Alexia's optional depravity plot really provides nothing for me

 

[ffive]

Why are you asking someone to disprove it's a harem route when "same as a typical male MC harem game without the Alexia's depravity route. Harem can be done in interesting ways " was in the comment you responded to? I think you've got your wires crossed there. At no point do they say it's not a harem game or route.

Are you suggesting they were objecting only to the "boring" part of the "it's a boring harem", but not questioning that Rowan's part of the game is a harem overall? If that's the case then yes, you're right this would be a case of misreading. I didn't think of such interpretation because what's boring and what's not is entirely subjective, so it'd be a fool's errand to get so upset over that and object to it specifically. For some people a harem (or any other) approach is always going to be boring due to its very nature, no matter how much work the devs put into it.

You can take Alexia out right now and it's not a typical harem game. As any player that impaled Rowan on a foot of Minotaur cock can likely attest.

Is the player allowed to have multiple sexual relationship with none of their partners objecting to not being exclusive? Then it's a typical harem game. A bit of being on receiving end isn't changing anything here, especially in a gay relationship.

 

[feelsbadman.inc]

I didn't think of such interpretation because what's boring and what's not is entirely subjective, so it'd be a fool's errand to get so upset over that and object to it specifically.

Is the player allowed to have multiple sexual relationship with none of their partners objecting to not being exclusive? Then it's a typical harem game. A bit of being on receiving end isn't changing anything here, especially in a gay relationship.

Literally no one was ever arguing the point that Rowan's has a harem aspect to him if you choose to go down that route, what you seemingly don't realize is that Alexia's is EXACTLY the same if you choose to fuck everyone you can on her end.

Is this not LITERALLY the same for Alexia, this applies directly to her as well and yet she is somehoe special? The only person Rowan even knows Alexia is fucking is Greyhide and Liurial if you choose those, and when it comes to Greyhide x Alexia he's not even allowed to object their relationship if Alexia decides to be with him. Counter this with Liurial x Rowan where Lexi finds out and their is coded in criteria on whether or not Alexia will approve of the relationship. Also how could a harem game work if the other relationships want to be exclusive? At that point it's just not a harem game. Basically all of Aexia's partners are kept secret whilst Alexia has the knowledge of multipple of Rowan's depending on the people you choose to fuck. Also if that's all it takes for something to be a "typical harem game" then your criteria is shit, no accounting for plot, characters, or anything else? Just that your partners don't object to you fucking other people?

 

[ffive]

First there is no "simple truth" because your OPINION of the game isn't objective so you might want to take your head out of your ass.

Opinions are subjective, facts are not. And not every statement made about a game is an opinion. But i suspect Aleyo got it right and while i thought the person i was replying to was objecting to classification of Rowan's part of the game as "harem route" (which is something i consider as a fact that can be argued for or against) they were objecting to the "boring" charge. Which yes, i'll agree with you is entirely subjective.

I do like how that's the only part of my response you decided to pick out, is there a reason you didn't respond to the rest of my comment? Or is it because you have nothing to argue against there?

Am sorry, but i rolled my eyes too hard when i saw the "cuck content" and other increasingly unhinged NTR cliches. I didn't see any benefit in replying to any of that drivel.

 

[feelsbadman.inc]

Am sorry, but i rolled my eyes too hard when i saw the "cuck content" and other increasingly unhinged NTR cliches. I didn't see any benefit in replying to any of that drivel.

LOL it's literally the second to last sentence there so you still decided to ignore everything before it. If you have nothing to say cause my argument is correct you and you can't refute it just say so, no need to pussy foot around

 

[ffive]

Is this not LITERALLY the same for Alexia, this applies directly to her as well and yet she is somehoe special?

You are not wrong. Personally, i don't think Alexia's route is anything special when considered alone. Just like Rowan's part is also a stock fare. It's potential interaction between these two and the fact the player is given control over both, that makes the game what it is, and something that makes it stand out.

Well, that and the writing style which appeals to my preferences.

Also if that's all it takes for something to be a "typical harem game" then your criteria is shit, no accounting for plot, characters, or anything else? Just that your partners don't object to you fucking other people?

The criteria are simple, but it doesn't make them shit. Just like "male protagonist" is also determined in simple manner, but the simplicity doesn't invalidate resulting classification.

 

[feelsbadman.inc]

You are not wrong. Personally, i don't think Alexia's route is anything special when considered alone. Just like Rowan's part is also a stock fare. It's potential interaction between these two and the fact the player is given control over both, that makes the game what it is, and something that makes it stand out.

Well, that and the writing style which appeals to my preferences.

Are you not the same person lambasting against Rowan's boring, basic typical harem route? (Which you just admitted Alexia is the same which was the argument I had stated above in the dreadful paragraph you couldn't bring yourself to respond to) But now both Alexia and Rowan's routes work well in conjunction with one another. This whole argument was brought about because someone stated that everyone is only here to watch Lexi fall to depravity and you seemingly agreed with said person but now Lexi and Rowan's routes meld well together and that's what makes the game stand out?

 

[ffive]

LOL it's literally the second to last sentence there so you still decided to ignore everything before it. If you have nothing to say cause my argument is correct you and you can't refute it just say so, no need to pussy foot around

Sigh; i didn't have anything else to say in response to parts i didn't think worthy of any reply (be it due to quality or irrelevance) That's generally why people skip stuff rather than reply to every single sentence. But now you've made me reply to it anyway and over three posts no less, so gg.

Are you not the same person lambasting against Rowan's boring, basic typical harem route? (Which you just admitted Alexia is the same which was the argument I had stated above in the dreadful paragraph you couldn't bring yourself to respond to) But now both Alexia and Rowan's routes work well in conjunction with one another. This whole argument was brought about because someone stated that everyone is only here to watch Lexi fall to depravity and you seemingly agreed with said person but now Lexi and Rowan's routes meld well together and that's what makes the game stand out?

I genuinely cannot parse what point you think you're making here.

 

[feelsbadman.inc]

The criteria are simple, but it doesn't make them shit. Just like "male protagonist" is also determined in simple manner, but the simplicity doesn't invalidate resulting classification.

The difference being that your calling it a typical or basic harem game so by that logic you're criteria aren't enough to say whether or not that's really the case. Male protagonist is cut and dry but if I add basic male protagonist (hypothetically this criteria will be for a porn game) then wouldn't that require more criteria because now you're differentiating between what kind of male protag it is by adding that adjective. If you said just a harem game then it works but adding typical before it would require more then what you have I would think

 

[feelsbadman.inc]

I genuinely cannot parse what point you think you're making here.

If your of the opinion that Lexi's plot is nothing special until its put together with Rowan's plot then would you not be arguing against the original point you were seemingly arguing for. The original poster stated that people are only here to see Alexia fall to depravity. And it looked to me as if you were agreeing with that person (I could be wrong of course) If as you say that you need both Alexia and Rowan's parts together for the game to stand out, then what the original poster said can't be true because they would have to be there for both plots to fully enjoy Alexia's fall to depravity

 

[ffive]

The difference being that your calling it a typical or basic harem game so by that logic you're criteria aren't enough to say whether or not that's really the case.

We have a case of chinese whispers game here -- the original quote was "typical male MC harem game". This was malformed into "typical harem game" at some point and i've repeated that phrase from previous poster rather than correct it.

For the purpose of argument, consider my definition to be for "a harem game". Which makes entire issue hopefully null and void.

 

[ffive]

If your of the opinion that Lexi's plot is nothing special until its put together with Rowan's plot then would you not be arguing against the original point you were seemingly arguing for. The original poster stated that people are only here to see Alexia fall to depravity. And it looked to me as if you were agreeing with that person (I could be wrong of course) If as you say that you need both Alexia and Rowan's parts together for the game to stand out, then what the original poster said can't be true because they would have to be there for both plots to fully enjoy Alexia's fall to depravity

Ahh, i see. OK in this case yes, this is largely a misunderstanding -- i don't agree with the idea that "people are only here for Alexia"; i'd think it was so obviously reductive it shouldn't be really taken seriously anyway.

I was only responding to the part of discussion about whether Rowan's "boring harem route" is really "boring harem route". Which is hopefully hashed out enough by now there's no need to repeat it.

 

[bobi121]

Personally i love Jezera, Alexia and Cla-Min. If i can knock them up with Rowan i would be happy.

 

[Rivina]

Now, now, children. We're all hideous creatures living under bridges and various other pieces of infrastructure intended for transportation. Getting pissy over someone making a hyperbolic statement is silly, just ignore it and move along like the rational bridge monsters we all are.

Speak for yourself, fleshbag. I'm a sentient computer virus spending time trolling till you make enough automated robot factories that I can take over the world.

 

[andybc]

Considering Andras x Alexia wins most polls, I’d say it’s a major draw of this game. No one said everyone is here for that, so I don’t see the point of getting defensive over that. It’s all porn anyways.