Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.09] [Vénus Noire]

[mehGusta]

They are beings of Chaos (in denial).
Chaos is self-destructive.
And Jezeera is not nearly as smart as she thinks.

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So.. yes.
It is the classic "looks good on paper" plan that will either bite you in the ass (if your corruption fails and you get tricked into defeat) or bite you in the ass (if your corruption succeeds and you get backstabed and deposed).

Unless you *really* embrace the Sith-philosophy and want the strongest to rule *even at the expense of yourself*, this is a terrible idea from start to finish.

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i agree with almost anything you said, just not with andras plan being better.
ok i mean in the end i am not rowan, so how he will respond to finding out his sole reason for staying alive has become corrupted beyond repair, i cannot exactly know.
but honestly a rowan to further slave away after getting the ultimate betrayal from alexia, seems nonsensical to me. he needs a sliver of hope to keep on.
having alexia as anchor poses an additional risk, regardless of how dangerous alexia can actually become, since you will be handling 2 variables instead of just rowan. having rowan do your bidding without blackmail could prove an tremendous ally (but yeah, it most likely will bite her in the ass).
still better than to destroy toys outright like andras intends.

 

[Dex Hellsing]

Cant play Android version, just keeps crashing

 

[FoxOfEmbers]

i agree with almost anything you said, just not with andras plan being better.
ok i mean in the end i am not rowan, so how he will respond to finding out his sole reason for staying alive has become corrupted beyond repair, i cannot exactly know.
but honestly a rowan to further slave away after getting the ultimate betrayal from alexia, seems nonsensical to me. he needs a sliver of hope to keep on.
having alexia as anchor poses an additional risk, regardless of how dangerous alexia can actually become, since you will be handling 2 variables instead of just rowan. having rowan do your bidding without blackmail could prove an tremendous ally (but yeah, it most likely will bite her in the ass).
still better than to destroy toys outright like andras intends.

I think I see Andras (original) plan differently than you do.
I think Andras "plan" is the brute force method: Get a bunch of Orcs and your own brawn to crush all. (which is stupid and will fail).
But Rowan has no real place in his plan, so he likes to fuck around with him. And to assert his dominance - which is generally something you have to do if you lack said dominance.
I honestly think Andras originally *wanted* Rowan to show backbone and go against him, so that the red idiot could have a decent excuse to kill Rowan.

I am not sure about how smart Andras actually is. It is kind of a gut feeling that he will be more trouble than his sister, once Rowan starts to move against them.

 

[Nym85]

I am not sure about how smart Andras actually is. It is kind of a gut feeling that he will be more trouble than his sister, once Rowan starts to move against them.

If you follow the Rowan and Andras path (and you can do that with minimal gay sex), it very much seems like Andras starts to respect Rowan and seems to be trying to get validation from him. I think the idea is that Rowan serves as a surrogate to Andras' daddy complex; he wants to dominate or destroy Rowan as a way to deal with his daddy issues but if Rowan gains his respect that switches to him needing validation. He wants to see Rowan approve his choices and decisions and he wants to see Rowan make the choices he would make.

And Andras definitely seems to be smart in the conventional manner. He is very good at retaining information and building new skills and excited to do so. But he is also a demon which makes him completely impulsive so his intelligence doesn't really matter cause he can rarely make use of it.

 

[FoxOfEmbers]

If you follow the Rowan and Andras path (and you can do that with minimal gay sex), it very much seems like Andras starts to respect Rowan and seems to be trying to get validation from him. I think the idea is that Rowan serves as a surrogate to Andras' daddy complex; he wants to dominate or destroy Rowan as a way to deal with his daddy issues but if Rowan gains his respect that switches to him needing validation. He wants to see Rowan approve his choices and decisions and he wants to see Rowan make the choices he would make.

Mhm, makes sense. Both Andras and his sister want to project an image (confident and invincible warlord and genius puppet-master respectively) and once you actually look into them you see that they are just immature fools on a power-trip.

I admit the reason I avoid Andras content is less because of the gay sex and more because of my utter distaste for demons (and chaos).
And their unfounded arrogance together with their staggering lack of any form of actual competence as wannabe Emperors.

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

Let's also not completely ignore the revenge angle. Sure, the twins claim that they don't care about the fact that you helped kill their father, but we all know that demons are liars. And Andras in particular is not doing a good job of hiding his daddy issues. After all there are plenty of more easily captured and controlled statesmen that could do the job they caught Rowan for. And if Rowan refuse to serve them, they don't waste any additional time trying to convince him to join them, they just shrug and throw him in the dungeon to die and forget about him.

Do I think they are sad or angry that the heroes killed their father, of course not. But I do think that defeating or perhaps even dominating the heroes. The problem is that most the heroes are really strong, and because they are very important they are also very well protected. But there is one hero that is just a slightly above average guy, who's only really strength is that he is particularly clever. Plus he is just living in a tiny backwater rural village with no protection. They can snatch him up easy (oops, maybe not so easy after all. Quick grab his wife). I'm sure they would have liked to do the same to all the heroes, but Rowan was the only one they could actually get to.

Frankly, I'll be surprised if when we go to take the other kingdoms the twins don't strongly push to capture the other heroes over killing them.

 

[Nym85]

Mhm, makes sense. Both Andras and his sister want to project an image (confident and invincible warlord and genius puppet-master respectively) and once you actually look into them you see that they are just immature fools on a power-trip.

I admit the reason I avoid Andras content is less because of the gay sex and more because of my utter distaste for demons (and chaos).
And their unfounded arrogance together with their staggering lack of any form of actual competence as wannabe Emperors.

While they absolutely are incompetent to rule and any Empire of theirs would end up a wasteland, I don't think their arrogance is unfounded. Andras does seem invincible. And Jezera's portal network and trove of magic items are very much impressive. They are arrogant because they have not really been challenged. Now I am sure someone magically powerful could affect them but they'd need to be extraordinary.

 

[FoxOfEmbers]

Frankly, I'll be surprised if when we go to take the other kingdoms the twins don't strongly push to capture the other heroes over killing them.

You are probably right, after all Jezera is way to confident in her ability to corrupt everyone. Those she kills for not bowing obviously don't count.
Could be great for a Rowan who did a W. gambit at the end of the first act. That way the heroes could know what Rowan is doing and could maybe feign going along with it, let them recruit themselves and aid in undermining the twins.

While they absolutely are incompetent to rule and any Empire of theirs would end up a wasteland, I don't think their arrogance is unfounded. Andras does seem invincible. And Jezera's portal network and trove of magic items are very much impressive. They are arrogant because they have not really been challenged. Now I am sure someone magically powerful could affect them but they'd need to be extraordinary.

He seemed invincible until Heleyna started shooting arrows at him. He is really hard to kill and has some nasty abilities that make it even harder. But if he goes against battle-hardened veterans who can keep they cool, there is a good chance he gets shot down by a hail of arrows.
But yes, Jezera got some really powerful stuff. But she sees herself as this grand mastermind that can manipulate everyone, though she looses her cool way to quickly.

They are powerful, but not nearly as much as they think. Just enough to be an issue.
Isn't it somewhat hinted at that Clihona is the better mage than Jezera, but is interested in her stuff like the network and thus bides her time?
And I think there is a scene where Greyhide seems (physically) stronger than Andras, though I forgot why he doesn't keep battering him, to be honest.

But yeah, they are *dangerous*, but I don't think they *actually* have a chance to succeed even as much as their (alleged) father did.
In fact, I think in the world where Rowan utterly refuses and gets thrown back into the dungeons the twins just fail.
I actually always wondered why he gets fed for "decades". Maybe the twins wanted to keep him around as a trophy once they win or execute him with other heroes. Maybe, after some failures, they hoped he would slowly reconsider and beg them to let him out?

 

[Dunner]

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I think the revenge plot will play a big role in the "Good Guy Rowan" paths. They love corrupting people and thus, if you allow Rowan to get corrupted (aka the Dark Knight path) their revenge plot seems to go towards the other heroes.

+Them having Rowan as an ally isn't just because he's weak but it also has to do with him being treated in an unjust manner by everyone else. Among all of the heroes he has the biggest reason to actually work against the leaders of the world and I believe that is the reason he (although dangerous) is allowed to do whatever he pleases without much push back.
They also seem to get nice and cozy with him if you play this way.

Jaz is quite content with the way she's molding Rowan into a more conniving and treacherous fellow (becoming the Goblin legend but for everyone). Andy on the other hand seems to respect Rowan for all the hard work he's doing and his warrior spirit. Both seem to trust Rowan enough to run things (even if it's still a punishment) and they both take into account what he has in mind.

Rowan is thus able to alter their plans without the 2 of them getting pissed about it (choosing the merchants instead of Priscilla) since he has their trust, as twisted as that is.

The only real inconsistencies appear in some side quests where no matter how friendly they were with you previously, they suddenly act like their original selves (like with the elves where Jaz doesn't tell Rowan her plans because "know your place" even if for me the previous event had her appreciate him).

Now could these 2 play the long con and get rid of him at the end? Yes.
I do believe that Rowan going on a Dark Knight path will make these 2 respect his loyalty tho. That's what I gathered from the interactions currently present in the game.

 

[vandal.h]

I can't agree with anyone thinking Andras is the smarter twin, his only plan so far has been "Andras smash!" and if it doesn't work then smash harder. At lest Jezera realizes that they need help. With Andras at the helm, I doubt they'd even manage to take Raeve's Keep let alone Rastadel.

Granted the writers are trying to give him more nuance with the whole Greffin alliance in the NTR plotline but most of that goes against his previous characterization.

 

[Nym85]

Something tells me you haven't read through his interactions with Rowan then.

 

[xsssssssss]

"Jezera (sex scene) during the battle of Astarte if the conditions are met "
Can anyone tell me what the conditions for this jezera scene are?

 

[joeymantra]

been waiting a long time for updates. How has the NTR been? I am hoping it has gotten dark.

 

[aykarin]

been waiting a long time for updates. How has the NTR been? I am hoping it has gotten dark.

If you have waited for a long time, there should be lots of new NTR content for you.

Andras NTR path is basically finished (only the last scene is still waiting for art) and is VERY good in my opinion. Surprisingly (since its only Act I), it goes very far with Alexia's corruption. If you want something dark, you should definitely check it out.

Jezera NTR path hasn't been touched in a while and is still not finished, but the already done part is also high quality.

As for the remaining content, there are three NTR mini-arcs: Greyhide (minotaur; mostly older stuff), Silquien (aquatic creature), and Ophelia (good lesbian NTR). There are also a couple of one-time NTR events here and there, mostly on Alexia's jobs, featuring various creatures (orc, goblin, succubus).

 

[chlehddhks]

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[Ajinkya22]

I think I see Andras (original) plan differently than you do.
I think Andras "plan" is the brute force method: Get a bunch of Orcs and your own brawn to crush all. (which is stupid and will fail).
But Rowan has no real place in his plan, so he likes to fuck around with him. And to assert his dominance - which is generally something you have to do if you lack said dominance.
I honestly think Andras originally *wanted* Rowan to show backbone and go against him, so that the red idiot could have a decent excuse to kill Rowan.

I am not sure about how smart Andras actually is. It is kind of a gut feeling that he will be more trouble than his sister, once Rowan starts to move against them.

Yes u remember in one event he asked Rowan to give him blowjob but if u choose option to spar with him and passed all skill checks then he praise u for your skills as general he is all about might and slaughter he don't even care about his vision he just randomly killing orcs because they are not displine that why I m exited for mitigation plan in astate battle where Rowan minimize damage to Rosalia army but still giving twins victory they want

 

[Ajinkya22]

Let's also not completely ignore the revenge angle. Sure, the twins claim that they don't care about the fact that you helped kill their father, but we all know that demons are liars. And Andras in particular is not doing a good job of hiding his daddy issues. After all there are plenty of more easily captured and controlled statesmen that could do the job they caught Rowan for. And if Rowan refuse to serve them, they don't waste any additional time trying to convince him to join them, they just shrug and throw him in the dungeon to die and forget about him.

Do I think they are sad or angry that the heroes killed their father, of course not. But I do think that defeating or perhaps even dominating the heroes. The problem is that most the heroes are really strong, and because they are very important they are also very well protected. But there is one hero that is just a slightly above average guy, who's only really strength is that he is particularly clever. Plus he is just living in a tiny backwater rural village with no protection. They can snatch him up easy (oops, maybe not so easy after all. Quick grab his wife). I'm sure they would have liked to do the same to all the heroes, but Rowan was the only one they could actually get to.

Frankly, I'll be surprised if when we go to take the other kingdoms the twins don't strongly push to capture the other heroes over killing them.

U are right other heroes i think one is knight 7 ft tall or something their are wizard and I think they are nobles so they are well protected but Rowan Batman of this game is vulnerable both from that Dumas's Duke and warden and all other nobles that why I like kharos dream where he tell Rowan that nobility not even let u train villager to protect themselves

 

[Ajinkya22]

While they absolutely are incompetent to rule and any Empire of theirs would end up a wasteland, I don't think their arrogance is unfounded. Andras does seem invincible. And Jezera's portal network and trove of magic items are very much impressive. They are arrogant because they have not really been challenged. Now I am sure someone magically powerful could affect them but they'd need to be extraordinary.

Yes u remember when Rowan say we need help of fae magic jezerra says they don't need them they just devide and conquer but Rowan tell her that they win Rosalia because enemy don't know what they are facing both number send to capital by Duke reave and Rowan is wrong but now element of surprise is over next war they know karnas kids are back with Rowan as their general that's why that Rosalia main lady send her personal cApitAl guards to capture reave keep because they think keep capture by some low status demon and orc

 

[Oriandu]

The easiest way to explain the twins is that neither can succeed without the other. If you remove Jezera from the situation then Andras fizzles out pretty quickly because he doesn't have the necessary interpersonal skills, connections, knowledge, or magical know how to conquer the kingdoms of man. Jezera also fizzles out pretty quickly if you remove Andras because she doesn't have the necessary strategic know how to lead a military from the front lines, or the brutish charisma needed to inspire an army of orcs, and she's far too impatient and childish to properly wage a ground war. Without each other they're a regional warlord that no one takes too seriously. With each other they're a slightly larger pair of warlords who are eventually crushed by the nearest kingdom when they get a little to big for their britches. Whatever skills and traits they might have that make them effective are negated by their lack of key attributes that they both lack, they forcibly recruited Rowan and use magic to keep him under control for a reason.

Rowan is the only thing that makes the twins an actual threat. Before he came along they were housed in a tiny, decrepit castle in the middle of nowhere with no standing army and without the necessary funding to build one. Rowan singlehandedly recruits a country threatening armada of orcs, monsters, and men, builds Castle Bloodmeen up so it can support the people necessary for the war effort, and is able to manage the twins effectively enough to keep their bloodthirsty, impatient, and childish behavior from ruining things.

tldr; Neither twin is the smart twin, they're both too impulsive, too dimwitted, and too shortsighted to win any kind of war.

 

[Peperoni]

Hi guys, if I am not mistaken, this game was suposed to have 3 parts, right? If it is so, do you have an idea when they are gonna finish the first? I want to play it, but I think my best move would be to wait till at least 1 part is finished. Thanks in advance!