Then later on Rowan fucks Helayna, gets her pregnant and I am just 'This game has NTR, but it is so lol'.
My Rowan is always a fuckboy. Fucks everyone.
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My Rowan is always a fuckboy. Fucks everyone.
lol
Then Xzaratal impregnates Alexia and Rowan with Jeerza, Then Andras and Rowan impregnates Xzaratal . You're right btw lmaol. "it is so lol."
Andreas: WITH THAT SHE NEVER DOMINATED US!
Rowan: But she is a dickgirl.
Andreas: Ah shut the fuck up, Mister 'fucks Heaven and Earth', only reason I ever fuck your wife is because I know you are an unrepentant perverted bastard!
On that note I can imagine Xzaratal or Jeerza taking Rowans ass or sucking him off as hes watching Andras take his wife. If Jeerza she brags too Rowan not being Master material, watch and enjoy your wife love being taken my brother." If Xzaratal "let me take you, feel what your wife feels."
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Gotta ask, why is it that despite Andras, having already a huge catalogue, hes gotten seemingly (since I haven't actually played it just looking at the changelogs) more content then Jezera did in the handful of updates she was in despite having virtually no content before that? Is she due for a similar wave of scenes? Honestly feel like shes gotten the shortest stick for how important of a character she is, very underutilized imo.
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So guys, help me out here please.
This games has been on my radar for a long time & i tried it tomorrow, spent some hours into it and WTF is this game ?
They say NTR is avoidable, but it seems the whole point of the game is being a Cuck and watch your wife get fuked by EVERYONE at the same time being a sissy and forced to do act which are just aren't enjoyable ?
Like am i missing something ?
Is this game for people with NTR , Cuckoldery and Submission kink ?
It seems the whole point of the game is watch you wife fet fuked by everyone while you watch ? Even if you ignore the choices it still paints your wife as closet Slut ? Wtf is this ?
And so much text , so much useless text on unless events ?
So I'm genuinely curious, does the game get better ? Like does the Hero get to act like MC and dominates the twins and gets his revenge or is this just a gaint Cuckfest ?
Sorry for bitching , I'm curious and would really like answers. Thank you.
This games has been on my radar for a long time & i tried it tomorrow, spent some hours into it and WTF is this game ?
They say NTR is avoidable, but it seems the whole point of the game is being a Cuck and watch your wife get fuked by EVERYONE at the same time being a sissy and forced to do act which are just aren't enjoyable ?
Like am i missing something ?
Is this game for people with NTR , Cuckoldery and Submission kink ?
It seems the whole point of the game is watch you wife fet fuked by everyone while you watch ? Even if you ignore the choices it still paints your wife as closet Slut ? Wtf is this ?
And so much text , so much useless text on unless events ?
So I'm genuinely curious, does the game get better ? Like does the Hero get to act like MC and dominates the twins and gets his revenge or is this just a gaint Cuckfest ?
Sorry for bitching , I'm curious and would really like answers. Thank you.
Well, given your nickname on this forum I would have bet you liked NTR... My mistake. The devs would never, ever admit that, in fact, they will admit that the game doesn't have a lighter trace of rape even... So... If we are complete objective of what would be this game without all the ToS of Patreon and the bullshit of political correctness... Then, yes, we all know that, devs too even if they persist in deny it.
But as far this game was build, it gave the chance to try to comply nearly every kink, taste and public as more as possible, yes, even those who for some reason try to play this game avoiding as most as possible every form of NTR (by the wife and even from Rowan lol), so you can play building the story you want to be "canon". Now with that said, welcome, this game is just a first part of a planned "Trilogy of Chaos", so if you expect Rowan becomes powerful at the end of this story which is still a first part, is just too early, there are a whole lot discussions about that, you can search by:
Werden, Delane, Helayna, Alexia (who have tons of pages dedicated to her in discussions about how saint, slut, controller, insecure or hypocrite she can be), Rowan (there are discussions about how he could fall like that in the hands of the twins and there are arguments about if he could be a smoke seller in reality instead of a hero and how Rowan could or not be accurate in contrast to our real world), about dark elements in this game that are happening but (censored) not shown to us and we know because they are mentioned or directly shown but with the difference of the ppl involve are "willingly to participate" (something that most of us discussed as well) like rape (but there are other more darker like torturing and the like), there are even discussions about how Raeve Keep isn't accurate on our own history and how wrong the hilt of the sword of Rowan is... There's a ton of reading fun discussions here, welcome to be part of them; have in mind that Venus Noire team even if they deny all that accusations, the evidence is there in their game and we must applause their efforts to past ToS Patreon's Censorship for that.
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You know this is a visual novel, right?... A visual novel consists primarily of text supplemented by illustrations and music.
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You can avoid every cheating, sharing, gay etc scene. In principle. The problem is that there's not much to see or do in the game then.
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Thats the point bro.
I tried to ignore everything but even the succubus has a dick and wants to fuk the wife.
And all the dialouges options for wife make her seem like a hungry closet slut .
Even to get my wife pregnant she has to be naked in front of another dude wtf.
Like it's all NTR with Cuckoldery.
So frustrating especially when the art is good and the game takes itself so seriously but the writing and direction of the game is just not ir.
Short answer: no.
Longer answer: the game is a corruption game at its core. It puts you (and your wife) in a position of stress, of harsh decision and of being tempted to push your sexual limits in many directions, all the time. It is up to you to decide the level: you have the freedom on how and to which point to indulge in corruptive activities, for you and Alexia. Of course, the least you do that, the least content you see. But a relatively low corruption, 'lawful good' path is possible.
A couple of notes:
"just aren't enjoyable" for you. Many other people like them.
" so much text , so much useless text on unless events " made me chuckle, because, well, in theory people should enjoy a game with a lot of content. Although it makes me wonder which kind of game you are expecting to enjoy...
Also, the game is far from finished: it might be that Rowan gets his revenge on the twins but that is faaaaar away in the future.
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That man literally couldn't care less about Alexia's tits.
If that part made you uncomfortable, then maybe that isn't for you. And it's fine. Not everyone has to enjoy everything.
Agreed she still feels short of scenes with Rowan and Alexia. Be nice too see a bunch of new scenes of Jeerza with the two main characters 1st before a continuation of new Andras/Alexia/Rowan scenes.
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Well the later already happened so it kinda has to. Im worried its just gonna be another half handful again.
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By Useless text i mean the games just goes on and on for like tens of thousands of words for small insignificant activities & side quests that have almost no impact on the story .
Also, it been quite a while for this game , and any sort of Upper hand for MC is still "faaar" into future ?
So I like this game. The character's are pleasing and unique compared to each other , the art style is nice along with the coloring being done really well in some pictures, the story is well written and holds my attention but there is three complaints I have against this game. (this is going to be long)
1. Random events. So personally speaking I find this to be the most annoying part of the game. The reason being that I have been denied content because of this RNG BS plenty of time's for example whenever I go to the big orc camp and I want to see the pregnant lady the problem is that the chance to see her must be incredibly slim I spent over 20 minutes of save scumming to try and get that event until I eventually gave up on that event completely and that's not the only example for another one I only got to see that dranonic horse creature in the bar ONCE in my 5 playthrough even after going to the same exact spot over and over again to try and trigger it or when I wanted to get that village with the two lady's i couldn't trigger it either I don't know if they removed those scenes or they are going through rewrites but whatever all this RNG events just encourages save scumming and forces the Devs to make copious amounts of content to supply the player with different events every time all over the entire game but if they just had few interesting locations or special events that are clearly marked on the map they could probably cut back some work time developing thousands of random events. Also its pretty hard to plan when events are random never know if I'm going to need strength or climbing for events
2. Is corruption really necessary. Ok so I don't know if this is controversial but I find the corruption system stupid and limiting. There has been dozens on times where I have been locked out of choices because I was being to much of a jerk or too nice which isn't a great feeling because Corruption is really vague I never know when there Is choice I missed because of this system or what my corruption level is actually at or how much I need or don't need to get to the get the option to pick something. Not only that it hampers roleplaying for example I was trying to play a rowan stanchly against the twin but also do whatever necessary to get a leg up so everything is going fine I'm ready to assault the city and I want the wardens daughter but oh no my corruption isn't high enough to sleep with her. This made literally no sense I've did the deed with many other characters, tricked others, stole, killed but sleeping with the wardens daughter is way to evil I guess?! its just really limiting and annoying and it doesn't seem to offer much other than putting you on a more linear path for your character. Though for alexia it works pretty well since she doesn't make any major descion's and just changes her behavior slightly and how she views things making her more dynamic and interesting character than others also it seems it doesn't really force you down anything even when I had her at high corruption she still wasn't forced to sleep with andreas I still could keep her loyal or do whatever
3. I feel the game is lacking an optimal outcome path. okay So before I begin No im not advocating for a one path that is obviously better than anything else that would be boring. But what I am advocting for is there should be a path for good and evil algined characters to get a best result. Why you may ask and the reason being isbecause it gives the player satisfaction and a sense of triumph its also really nice to feel that going the extra mile was actually worth it and encourges the player to do more than just clicking through the game. So the reason I think this is a issue was the recent goblin update. So before that I had concerns during the big orc camp quest so I decided to help the noble lady to escape but before that I tried to help the camp and interact with the village so after doing that stuff, I saved the noble lady but then i lost half the tribe and was banished from visiting I thought that Sucks because the only way to even visit anymore was to not rescue her which I wasn't going to do There isn't even an option to sneak in but I thought that was fine because she was the main cause for the conflict and that was a punishment for my choices so I brushed past it. But my issues really started to arrive when I went to blackholt or whatever the goblin place is called. im going through the motions, I meet secretary goblin like her character and tries to be nice but she wants to kill her sister I don't want that to happen so I stop it but now secrtary goblin hates me which kind of sucks I had no option to to convince to her, or resolve the dispute without destroying our standing between each other which is pretty lame to be honest This encounter would be much more interesting if you say the right options, have a skill check or even get info from someone else to convince her without ruining our friendship and then if you fail that then give the conquence's it would be my own fault and it encourages me to do more and engage with the story so I can get the better outcome. but its still in development so I cant judge it to harshly But i want to bring this up to the devs anyway so they can avoid this if possible. I just don't want radestal to be like oh you chose that the chancellor that means the city is definingly going to burn regardless of your prepping or because you chose option A that means you cant do anything with option B C D and option E is going to die by getting their nuts eaten by geckos. I think it should be more like you chose option A but if you get a good skill check or made this choice while doing the prep work you can still interact with B and C still.
overall I do like this game I could Make another three paragraphs about how much I like this game But I really wanted to post my complaints with my reasoning on why properly. Sorry If I come across as rambling or crazy but I was bored and decided to do his on whim. even if nothing changes or people don't agree with me that's fine I don't dislike the game even with my complaints.
1. Random events. So personally speaking I find this to be the most annoying part of the game. The reason being that I have been denied content because of this RNG BS plenty of time's for example whenever I go to the big orc camp and I want to see the pregnant lady the problem is that the chance to see her must be incredibly slim I spent over 20 minutes of save scumming to try and get that event until I eventually gave up on that event completely and that's not the only example for another one I only got to see that dranonic horse creature in the bar ONCE in my 5 playthrough even after going to the same exact spot over and over again to try and trigger it or when I wanted to get that village with the two lady's i couldn't trigger it either I don't know if they removed those scenes or they are going through rewrites but whatever all this RNG events just encourages save scumming and forces the Devs to make copious amounts of content to supply the player with different events every time all over the entire game but if they just had few interesting locations or special events that are clearly marked on the map they could probably cut back some work time developing thousands of random events. Also its pretty hard to plan when events are random never know if I'm going to need strength or climbing for events
2. Is corruption really necessary. Ok so I don't know if this is controversial but I find the corruption system stupid and limiting. There has been dozens on times where I have been locked out of choices because I was being to much of a jerk or too nice which isn't a great feeling because Corruption is really vague I never know when there Is choice I missed because of this system or what my corruption level is actually at or how much I need or don't need to get to the get the option to pick something. Not only that it hampers roleplaying for example I was trying to play a rowan stanchly against the twin but also do whatever necessary to get a leg up so everything is going fine I'm ready to assault the city and I want the wardens daughter but oh no my corruption isn't high enough to sleep with her. This made literally no sense I've did the deed with many other characters, tricked others, stole, killed but sleeping with the wardens daughter is way to evil I guess?! its just really limiting and annoying and it doesn't seem to offer much other than putting you on a more linear path for your character. Though for alexia it works pretty well since she doesn't make any major descion's and just changes her behavior slightly and how she views things making her more dynamic and interesting character than others also it seems it doesn't really force you down anything even when I had her at high corruption she still wasn't forced to sleep with andreas I still could keep her loyal or do whatever
3. I feel the game is lacking an optimal outcome path. okay So before I begin No im not advocating for a one path that is obviously better than anything else that would be boring. But what I am advocting for is there should be a path for good and evil algined characters to get a best result. Why you may ask and the reason being isbecause it gives the player satisfaction and a sense of triumph its also really nice to feel that going the extra mile was actually worth it and encourges the player to do more than just clicking through the game. So the reason I think this is a issue was the recent goblin update. So before that I had concerns during the big orc camp quest so I decided to help the noble lady to escape but before that I tried to help the camp and interact with the village so after doing that stuff, I saved the noble lady but then i lost half the tribe and was banished from visiting I thought that Sucks because the only way to even visit anymore was to not rescue her which I wasn't going to do There isn't even an option to sneak in but I thought that was fine because she was the main cause for the conflict and that was a punishment for my choices so I brushed past it. But my issues really started to arrive when I went to blackholt or whatever the goblin place is called. im going through the motions, I meet secretary goblin like her character and tries to be nice but she wants to kill her sister I don't want that to happen so I stop it but now secrtary goblin hates me which kind of sucks I had no option to to convince to her, or resolve the dispute without destroying our standing between each other which is pretty lame to be honest This encounter would be much more interesting if you say the right options, have a skill check or even get info from someone else to convince her without ruining our friendship and then if you fail that then give the conquence's it would be my own fault and it encourages me to do more and engage with the story so I can get the better outcome. but its still in development so I cant judge it to harshly But i want to bring this up to the devs anyway so they can avoid this if possible. I just don't want radestal to be like oh you chose that the chancellor that means the city is definingly going to burn regardless of your prepping or because you chose option A that means you cant do anything with option B C D and option E is going to die by getting their nuts eaten by geckos. I think it should be more like you chose option A but if you get a good skill check or made this choice while doing the prep work you can still interact with B and C still.
overall I do like this game I could Make another three paragraphs about how much I like this game But I really wanted to post my complaints with my reasoning on why properly. Sorry If I come across as rambling or crazy but I was bored and decided to do his on whim. even if nothing changes or people don't agree with me that's fine I don't dislike the game even with my complaints.
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Consider that in this Dark Fantasy world in which both are trap as hostages and put to work for their enemies, they are visiting a gynecologist to have their baby (something that even Nasim doesn't seem to be really exited with the idea to involve Chaos Magic in the process, something that i will enjoy a lot in the future). Would you consider your girlfriend or wife NTR you when she tells you she need a date to the gynecologist?. If the answer is yes, then probably you have seen too much JAV movies about gynecologist helping wifes to be breed pal, i'm sorry.
Well, everyone has noted this for a long time ago, there are annoying events with Andrass involved early that need strength or a high diplomacy, if Rowan isn't successful, he or Alexia pay the consequences (and many times in a sexual way that as a player never intended in the first place). Over the map i do not care too much personally, but sometimes get annoying but is more sad when this event relies only in pure dice luck (randomize) when they could added some actual battles to some orc savages, thieves, animals and monsters, to add more dynamic and bestiary that could built more the world itself, but they preferred to adhere to be as most VN textual as possible, giving some dynamic by random possibilities in which Rowan will be successful or not. Many complaint here in the past of why Alexia has so many decisions that at the end will not change the dynamic of how Rowan works, well that must be because it will become more important in the future, given the state of their relationship a key role, but perhaps Rowan could rely into others by building relationships and deals with others, but in essence, the feeling of reward those Alexia Corruption Events could be an obstacle for the player as Rowan's Companion could in essence betray him in the future, it's like ruining your own playthrough by passing from hard to suicidal mode (but her porn is good).
I'll tell this, normally Dark Fantasy settings invites you to give in into your more inner deeper savage dark desires, doing so usually give short rewards with a high demand in the future, is not usual that this setting have happy endings with ppl with their hands taken chanting kumbaya, that will not happen, and every near "good" ending will never be complete satisfactory, the path for that is hard with lil rewards and painful in the end. If you have pay attention, this game, whatever the path you take seems it will not end well, a famine is beginning and the reason is not only by the war Da Twins began but by the abuse of magic that it's draining the life of the world itself, so even if Rowan and Alexia are virtuous and righteous as possible at the end of this whole saga of three games, it will not be complete satisfactory and you would end anyway taking bad decisions because Da Twins will not giving you more choices than that which will making you a bitter victory for the "good" side (if there's a "good" side because this is still a Dark Fantasy setting, being evil or good it doesn't mean that high powers that could manifest later will comply or be in alignment in what Rowan and Alexia could consider "good" or even you as a player consider "good").
Regarding events that doesn't trigger, it depends about your luck and the corruption the character have, the thing is the game have so many events that are mainly random, that the time given to make them appear have become short, as you stated some are random while visiting the towns, but others are inside Bloodmeed that only activates every week, and there are events that are bugged to the point to break all old savefiles or still need a rewrite or a change in art, we all hope for the best they fix them as most as possible to enjoy them. If you want a more Corrupted Rowan, steal every time you have the chance, cheat Alexia as there's no tomorrow, confess to her your love for Helayna, corrupt your wife by having a threesome with X'zaralt and later with Liurial, kill your mentor, fuck everything (alright, if your not into gay things, then fuck everything that looks as female, orcs, elves, dryads, including X'zaralt and specially the female driders), corrupt, seduce, enslave and kill if you have the opportunity, laugh as a madman during the preparations for Rastedel.
Well, as i said, never expect a sense of hope nor triumph in a Dark Fantasy setting, what you can expect is for the worst, or a conclusion apparently "good" but that comes with a great pain anyway that feels still like losing. As SoC is intended, the paths are there but they are not very clear sometimes, and there will be events no matter you as a player can do will not have a satisfactory resolution as Rastedel is, with lil preparations, few allies, a lot of pressure because of a high demanding bosses and miscalculation. The same is with Tue-San, yes, she wants her sister killed, so?, what you must understand is that there are ppl who have their own interest and agenda, and if you put in danger that or betray them after having an agreement with them or evolving feelings with them, they will not by any chance getting in a good way nor will be in disposition to be with you as they could in the beginning because you ruined the relation, you can't have all in life, in Dark Fantasy settings this is like the bread of every day, more common and likely results of your actions (like in the real world but in this setting you must expect to be more pessimistic).
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Keeping everything aside , does Alexia needs to have sex with the Succubus Monster leader ? To gain her favor for Rowan in future against the twins ? Do I need to make Alexia have sex with everyone , does it effect the game ?
Cause all her (succubus leader) events are revolving around Alexia , WTH everyone's events are revolving around Alexia trying to fuck her ♂
Also , trilogy ? There going to be 3 games ? This being 1st ? Boy it'll take 30-40 years and probably won't happen.
But Idea of another game is good after the 1st act (whatever it is) as bugs can be fixed and better game can be made. Because the bugs and things your and the comment above have mentioned regarding Random events, etc can't be fixed in this game anymore , too much time and resources will be needed.
I hope this 1st ACT wraps up soon , cause as frustrating as the writing is some times , the game is solid , I just hoped it wouldn't lean so much towards NTR.