Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.10] [Vénus Noire]

[DownTheDrain]

However, the developers have started making a development road map to keep them on track and limit their focus. Thus far it seems to have made a big difference and the development is proceeding much more smoothly. The main story hasn’t advanced because the developers want to wrap up all the loose threads they created in the past and give all the important characters the depth their patrons are demanding, before finishing up the current act. It makes sense that they wouldn’t want to start the development on the act 2 while still devoting a lot of time on time to tying up the loose threads and adding depth to the characters in the 1st Act that is supposed to ostensibly be finished.

I sure hope they had a roadmap before and didn't make it up as they went along for the last 6(!) years...

On a more serious note, that all sounds sort of promising but if there's one thing that Patreon projects don't lack it's promises.
The first time I asked about giving the MC a more proactive role and dominant players a bit more agency I got a snarky reply by a dev that he was already working on this amazing maledom trainer spin-off. That was 4 years ago and the spin-off never materialized.

Nothing personal, but I really don't care about any upcoming changes or visions for the future until they're actually in the game. That's just the nature of Patreon.

 

[BunnygirlBoobies]

That's the fate of many (most?) Patreon games.
It's not entirely on the devs, the payment model promotes prolonging your project for as long as it remains popular. You basically never want to finish your game unless you have another title already lined up to seamlessly take over.

$2000 a month (fed min wage in the USA/160hrs for a months work, full time) take home pay after expenditures for the project is equivalent to a months work, full time, at 7.25 an hour. ish. im not good at math. you cant live off that, and if a dev isnt making that, development time will be secondary to maintaining another job to allow them to live.

Most games that arent backed by major funding take extra long cause the people making it are trying to live off other means and making the game for passion and fun. yall cant bash slow dev speeds till you get the circumstances....

 

[gamingdevil800]

I'm not really into futa irl but this scene was pretty hot:
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[DownTheDrain]

$2000 a month (fed min wage in the USA/160hrs for a months work, full time) take home pay after expenditures for the project is equivalent to a months work, full time, at 7.25 an hour. ish. im not good at math. you cant live off that, and if a dev isnt making that, development time will be secondary to maintaining another job to allow them to live.

Most games that arent backed by major funding take extra long cause the people making it are trying to live off other means and making the game for passion and fun. yall cant bash slow dev speeds till you get the circumstances....

I was not aware that I was bashing anyone, nor do I see how your math contradicts my point.
The fact that poorly supported games take longer because the devs can't work on them full-time doesn't change that many exceptionally supported games also take longer because Patreon pays you for having a popular title in development, not for finishing it.

 

[BunnygirlBoobies]

I was not aware that I was bashing anyone, nor do I see how your math contradicts my point.
The fact that poorly supported games take longer because the devs can't work on them full-time doesn't change that many exceptionally supported games also take longer because Patreon pays you for having a popular title in development, not for finishing it.

ah yeah sorry, im bad at directing my comments, was meant as a parralel to your comments. sorry!

 

[Carefree247]

Does any know how to take over Rastedel peacefully?

The question is why would you ? and could you even ?
Seeds of Chaos is kinda like warhammer 40K where Peace is a lie and you can bury the thought of ever having ppl acting normally like how Maud didn't think twice to shoot a bolt on you, as the whole point of Act 1 for Rowan comes down to

would you serve in hell or rule in HELL !

Taking into account the powers(Kharos and Solanse) which shape the world are depressing and equally stupid, you come to a thought of why save the fools who robbed you of your reward and sent you back to your dirt home, the old order deserves the french revolution treatment and not the whole city, but I understand your plight, one thing you must remember is you can't save everyone and neither should you as they have to make that choice, kinda like Maud again who decied to shoot me after I decided to not pay child support could not give her the rosy revolution she wanted.

You can't. Or rather....

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I like that towards the end of Act 1 your expectations were subverted by the very thing which till now doesn't make sense, the baron.

Spoiler: a brief glimpse as to why

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[rivon]

Will act 1 be completed this year?

My main issue is that this game has been in development for so long from 2016 (more than half a decade)! And yet the plot did not move any further than when it was at the original teaser version.
With his pace, the game will never be completed. if it takes half a decade just to finish act 1, how much will it take to complete the game? 30 years?

You can answer that yourself if you use magic stuff like logic and common sense!
Lets look at their to do list:
They will have 5 updates this year (they do bimonthly updates)
To make it in time and wrap up in 2022 release schedule should be something like that:

1 update March : Helayna + Andras
2 update May : Jazera + Alexia
3 update July : Goblin new location and recruitment quest line
4 update Sep. : Fae content
5 update Nov : rework of Rastedel + UI polishing
+ Writing epilogue

Now lets look at at what pace they actually progressing right now:
last 4 updates Winter (main writer) was rewriting Liurial ark (supporting character) and he isn't finished yet.

Meaning 1 character per 4/5 updates.
Meaning at current pace they will crawl to the finish line somewhere in 2024.

 

[aykarin]

The new map event in which Rowan can seduce an abbey priestess is great. I have big expectations for this scene's art.

 

[360 Danny DeVitos Later]

The new map event in which Rowan can seduce an abbey priestess is great. I have big expectations for this scene's art.

It's good, second favourite roaming scene after the orc girl with the blue eyes. Looking forward to the art as well.

A corrupted Rowan seems to take great delight in “corrupting”women especially if they lower their guard because of his rep. If Tulip, the nun and Juliet are anything to go by anyway. He almost acts like a mini Jezera in them. Hope we see more scenes like that.

 

[firwirrung]

Does anyone know if the Devs have discussed whether the Andras / Alexia NTR arc is going to end with her getting pregnant by Andras?

I recall there being an almost throw away line of dialogue in their early interaction, but wondered if there had been discussion of follow up. I haven't played the last two or so updates, but I did see the "breeding" tag for the fertility arc with Rowan. Curious what the plan is for future impregnation content.

 

[Юбж]

Русского языка так понимаю нету?

I understand that there is no Russian language?

 

[gokaigold13]

Is there a way to manually unlock the scene replay stuff?

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

Русского языка так понимаю нету?

"I understand that there is no Russian language?"

I don't know if the game has any language options myself, but this is the English translation if anyone else knows for certain.

Я сам не знаю ответа на это. Поэтому я разместил английский перевод, чтобы узнать, знает ли кто-нибудь еще. Но я думаю, что это может быть только английский язык. Извините за любые ошибки. Я использовал переводчик гугл.

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

Does anyone know if the Devs have discussed whether the Andras / Alexia NTR arc is going to end with her getting pregnant by Andras?

I recall there being an almost throw away line of dialogue in their early interaction, but wondered if there had been discussion of follow up. I haven't played the last two or so updates, but I did see the "breeding" tag for the fertility arc with Rowan. Curious what the plan is for future impregnation content.

I know the Devs have said that they are hesitant to do anything that would result in a long term physical change for any major characters. As it would result in doubling the art they have to commission for that character. A good example of this is Alexia's Fertility treatments, she can undergo some pretty drastic changes during the scenes, but the changes are temporary and she revert back to normal after the scene is over. Thus they only need to commission the scene in question. But if the changes were permanent, they they would have to commission alternate art of every scene scene that could possibly occur after the fertility scene.

With that in mind, I would guess that IF Alexia does become pregnant during the story it would be relatively near the end of the Final Act to reduce the amount of additional art they have to commission. I think that from a narrative perspective it make sense as a climatic reveal as well. So I wouldn't hold your breath for it to happen very soon.

Is there a way to manually unlock the scene replay stuff?

Check out the Seeds of Chaos Extended Scene Replay Mod, it just got updated for the new content.

 

[Carefree247]

It's good, second favourite roaming scene after the orc girl with the blue eyes. Looking forward to the art as well.

A corrupted Rowan seems to take great delight in “corrupting”women especially if they lower their guard because of his rep. If Tulip, the nun and Juliet are anything to go by anyway. He almost acts like a mini Jezera in them. Hope we see more scenes like that.

Ahh, I see you are a man of culture ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°).

Jynx_lucky_j , do you know if devs plan to bring Koh back ? I mean she was a dark horse favorite among many.

Spoiler: visual of koh

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[Jynx_lucky_j]

Jynx_lucky_j , do you know if devs plan to bring Koh back ? I mean she was a dark horse favorite among many.

Spoiler: visual of koh

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Don't expect any one-off characters to show up again in Act 1, The devs are trying to wrap up all the outstanding threads so they can finish the act and move on to developing the next act (fyi there is planned to be 3 Acts). But who knows what future acts may hold.

 

[monk_56]

Ahh, I see you are a man of culture ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°).

Jynx_lucky_j , do you know if devs plan to bring Koh back ? I mean she was a dark horse favorite among many.

Spoiler: visual of koh

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+1 for Koh being the best one off character as well. She was a delightful contrast to the normal stereotypical "rape orc" that seems to be on the SoC menu.

 

[1138op]

How do the mechanics of decisions work exactly?
For example, at certain points Rowan can give in to Jezera's advances but when making that decision, how much control do we have over Rowan's train of thought?
Can you play it so that you give in to make Jezera think she is weakening your resistance, or is giving in to her automaticly corrupting Rowan and we have no control over that?

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

How do the mechanics of decisions work exactly?
For example, at certain points Rowan can give in to Jezera's advances but when making that decision, how much control do we have over Rowan's train of thought?
Can you play it so that you give in to make Jezera think she is weakening your resistance, or is giving in to her automaticly corrupting Rowan and we have no control over that?

In the world of this game corruption is a tangible thing. It isn't some abstract notion, it actually exists. Essentially you can't drink the poison with out getting poisoned regardless of how good your intentions were.

What you are trying to do is similar to an undercover officer taking drugs to maintain his cover among criminals. If he takes the drugs the drugs will have an effect on him. But if he is careful and vigilant he may be able to avoid becoming addicted to the drugs, but if he lets gets caught up in it he will become addicted. Just as the addicted officer could still bust the criminals in the end but will himself be a criminal when he keeps taking illegal drugs, a corrupted Rowan can still overthrow the twins but he will be an agent of chaos himself.

Generally the way the game is written, when you have low corruption and you have Rowan commit a corrupting act he sees himself as making a sacrifice for the greater good or doing what he must. However, as the corruption builds he starts wanting to do the acts and sees himself as justified.

So yes you can "fake" giving in to ingratiate yourself with the twins, but if you give in too much you'll soon find you aren't really faking it any more.

 

[Stil996]

In the world of this game corruption is a tangible thing. It isn't some abstract notion, it actually exists. Essentially you can't drink the poison with out getting poisoned regardless of how good your intentions were.

What you are trying to do is similar to an undercover officer taking drugs to maintain his cover among criminals. If he takes the drugs the drugs will have an effect on him. But if he is careful and vigilant he may be able to avoid becoming addicted to the drugs, but if he lets gets caught up in it he will become addicted. Just as the addicted officer could still bust the criminals in the end but will himself be a criminal when he keeps taking illegal drugs, a corrupted Rowan can still overthrow the twins but he will be an agent of chaos himself.

Generally the way the game is written, when you have low corruption and you have Rowan commit a corrupting act he sees himself as making a sacrifice for the greater good or doing what he must. However, as the corruption builds he starts wanting to do the acts and sees himself as justified.

So yes you can "fake" giving in to ingratiate yourself with the twins, but if you give in too much you'll soon find you aren't really faking it any more.

One of the things that gets me (correct me if I got this wrong), is that the sex scenes with Jezera represent you "losing", getting corrupted and submitting to her power, what if you want have sex with her because you want to have sex with all the fems, because you want to seduce her, eventually enslaving her (pipe dreams I'm sure, but worthly of a path in it's own right IMO).
She failed to corrupt me.... I've always been this way

(I realise that what I say here sounds like some of what you aready said, but all the sex scenes with Jez always feel like a loss to me, like I'm submitting to being her toy when I really want options to attempt reversals, grab her in ways she didn't choose to be grabbed and make her cum anyway, gradually making her more and more willing to submit to my whims)