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Just set your game details to private in your profile privacy settings. No reason for some random friend/family to see what you are playing. ;)
As I recall, while this hides the game you're currently playing and your play-time it sadly still shows you own a game if someone on your friend's list looks at the store page. I suppose there's always the fact that if they mention it, you can point out they were on that game's store page, but...not exactly the most comforting consolation.

I just use a second Steam account.
 
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As I recall, while this hides the game you're currently playing and your play-time it sadly still shows you own a game if someone on your friend's list looks at the store page. I suppose there's always the fact that if they mention it, you can point out they were on that game's store page, but...not exactly the most comforting consolation.

I just use a second Steam account.
I'd just tell them "yeah I was jerking off to it, so what?"
 

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Lord Arioch is a cuck?
He's the cuck.

Guys can I choose to only play as the girl or thats just some sections of the game?
Game has two protaganists, but the male protaganist has more screen time. If you're explicitly looking for female protaganists games, this is not one.

Will the mechanic overhaul likely be in the next update?
Presumably. But, that depends on that team's progress. They've been working hard on it and the test builds are looking nice.

Sorry if this has been asked before but there are 50 pages just on this topic.
I'm fine with NTR content as long as it doesn't lock me out of being able to do stuff with the other character myself, does this game do anything like that? Can you still have a good relationship with the wife if you follow the NTR paths?
Yes, you can still interact with the wife within reason. However, some scenes are exclusive to high relationship Rowan and Alexia, and I can't promise the current status quo will persist into next game.

If you merely mean, want the possibility of lending Alexia without it damaging relationship, some of the content like one of the Greyhide Routes fills that niche.

Has the developer mentioned when the game will be fully complete?
Soon (tm)

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Thanks for the report.

Curious on what the general state of things, roughly how long til completion, basically. Am pretty much waiting on that to play again.
It's going pretty well I'd say. We're going to reach a point where so much of the major material is done that key staff is going to move to SoC 2. But, some folks, including the art team will probably move over later. So the game is going to have diffrent "stages" of being done.

My is unwanted and unneeded review of the game thus far, and yes, I have supported the game on and off for 2 - 3 years on Patreon, before anyone asks or claims otherwise; this is just a better avenue to post a review.

Pros:

The experience this game provides is awesome. The setting is fantastic, the writing is fantastic, the art is fantastic. You can definitely see where the developers want the game to go, and what they want it to be. The game is massive as is and it's not even the end of Act I yet. I'm saying this even well knowing that my favorite aspects of the game have seemed to be more of an after thought to the dev team. Is the game worth playing? Yes. Is the game worth supporting? Yes. The game is awesome.

Cons:

Here's where things get tricky, and don't take "Cons" as in "THIS IS BAD REEEEEEEE!"; take it more like these are my subjective opinions as an avid gamer both sexual and non-sexual, as a game developer myself in the game industry (non-sex related), and my honest critique of the game.

The first con and the biggest, is the actual game play. The developers have repeatedly said on almost every platform of media available that they mechanics are getting an overhaul. My question is why? Removing the mechanics of the game wouldn't hurt the game (as it stands now) in the slightest. The stats are useful for random events and clearing certain CG checks (which tend to be random events) that you may never get in a play through despite having the proper stat level. Almost all the main events do not require a stat (if this isn't the case and there's hidden stats, such as Alexia's Corruption, that'll be tackled in a later con). I find myself doing the main things so that I don't get off'd at a certain week and then not even visiting the map at all. I'm not saying the random map events are useless or not needed, I 'm just saying they feel empty and I hope this is an aspect that gets some love in the mechanic overhaul. Either that, or just remove the stats. I once played to about week 150 and got the majority of scenes I wanted to see without even leveling up. Just doesn't seem consistent with what the game is portrayed as trying to be.

The second con, is hidden stats. I love living with my choices, and I love not being able to go back and fix an outcome to my liking, but having hidden stats that dictate what is and isn't going to happen is a game developer no-no. I get it, smoke and mirror it until you make it (I work in the game industry, I do get it), but hidden stats are absolutely a no-no. I can't think of a single game where hidden stats were well recieved. Give us an indicator of Alexia's corruption without needing the debugger. Give us indicators of relationships or progress with characters. So much of the game is centered around using stats and then they're just used poorly. As said before, I hope this is an aspect that gets some love in the mechanic rework.

Third: Items. Same thing with hidden stats or, well, just about all the stats. They're largely unused from what I've seen in my years of playing the game on and off. We'll see how things go with the mechanic rework, but honestly, the game would be just as good without them. I understand Cla Min would need to be able to sell something, but what she sold to begin with didn't change the game at all. Maybe you can buy materials from her, or eventually, quest items? Just a thought.

Fourth: This is probably the most personal out of the cons, honestly. Rowan was designed to be the main character. Alexia has become the main character. There's a recent comment on Patreon saying "If the scene has Alexia in it, you might as well just order the art." That sentiment isn't wrong. I would love to agree with the Greyhide fandom, but it's not Greyhide that's winning the polls, it's Alexia. Alexia and Tarek would win over Rowan and [Enter some side character here]. It's a bit late in the game to switch ideals and go for a more "Choose who you'd like to control" playstyle but if Act II is it's own separate game, it might be worth noting. Again, this is just my personal reflection and viewing from a very outside looking in perspective.

Fifth: The last con I have has to do with either random chance OR the structure of the writing. My most recent playthrough, I completed all the main quests needed, was working on upgrading every building, etc. Alexia was at high corruption and I chose to have her go the Andras route. After the scene after the actual sex scene, all side character scenes (for jobs and stuff, the ones that are repeatable) stopped. This is a criticism I had with another game I supported on and off over the years (Fleeting Iris) where it locks you in a path. This could have been bad RNG, and I hope it is, because locking players in a path is bad news. There's a difference with living with your choices and locking them into a path. A way around this would be 1) If you decide to lock the player to a certain path, put repeatable scenes for that path they are locked in, or 2) Don't lock the player in a path.


All in all: Great game. Looking forward to more updates. Keep up the good work.

Edit: Don't know how I missed the word "is" at the very beginning. Added it in, lest you all think I'm an illiterate twit.
First off. Thanks for your support man, we really appreciate it. Second, I want to applaud a thoughtful and specific critiques that kept things spirited and respectful. I read them over and on some areas you've highlighted some of the stuff we've discussed improving internally.

Regarding the mechanics rework, my request to you is to simply keep an open mind and try it out when you get the chance, ideally. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by some improvements, even if you might not think it solves everything. I look forward to hearing what you think afterwards.

Cheers to anyone who plays porn games on Steam.
I have friends and family on Steam and Discord however, so I usually play Patreon releases whenever I sub, and go Invisible on Discord in case there's integration.
Serious question, do you all ever plan to commercially release sans a platform? One time buy like Steam but without the account association?
We've discussed this as well. I think we actually do have an Itch.io version of the game for purchase, but I do not believe it updates automatically like steam does.

If Patreon and Itch aren't for you, and you can't buy on steam, I advise waiting for a more finished build. But, we'll take people with your particular plight in mind for sure.

As I recall, while this hides the game you're currently playing and your play-time it sadly still shows you own a game if someone on your friend's list looks at the store page. I suppose there's always the fact that if they mention it, you can point out they were on that game's store page, but...not exactly the most comforting consolation.

I just use a second Steam account.
Just say you play it for the story.
 

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Sorry if this has been asked before but there are 50 pages just on this topic.
I'm fine with NTR content as long as it doesn't lock me out of being able to do stuff with the other character myself, does this game do anything like that? Can you still have a good relationship with the wife if you follow the NTR paths?
The game lets you turn off the NTR content at the start.
But turning it off will only disable the wife content with other characters. You as the MC can still fuck around with whoever you like. The wife will not touch, flirt and do anything with anyone.
So be careful, I personally play a loyal Husband and Wife playthrough. Feels right to me with the game's setting.

Anyway, I suggest you dont bother reading this thread. A lot of people here are vocal how they just want to see the wife fucking everyone and everything. They just want her to betray and cuck the husband every step of the way. Reducing her to a simple whore.

So when there is a new update just check the changelog in the 1st page. And if you like check the last few pages to see what the devs have to share news for upcoming updates, overhauls, bug fixes etc ...
The devs here are Rein and T51bwinterized (you can use the search function here to see their posts only)
 
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Once the overhaul is done, will we be finally able to play the game without savescuming?
 

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Yes, you can still interact with the wife within reason. However, some scenes are exclusive to high relationship Rowan and Alexia, and I can't promise the current status quo will persist into next game.

If you merely mean, want the possibility of lending Alexia without it damaging relationship, some of the content like one of the Greyhide Routes fills that niche.
Thanks for the reply! That was the type of answer I was looking for.
Yeah I want a good relationship with Alexia but also let her have her fun also lol
 

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Will the choices of this chapter be carried over to the next? Will the next chapter consider Alexia not banging either twins despite having done so?
 

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Thanks for the reply! That was the type of answer I was looking for.
Yeah I want a good relationship with Alexia but also let her have her fun also lol
Ohh if you want a relationship between the husband and wife, but also want to share her from time to time. The you can just Turn OFF the NTR. Because even when its off, this does not disable the 3some scenes (Husband x Wife x Someone else)

(Assign the wife to the library, no ntr events happen there. Every other place has ntr events)

Recently the devs reworked one of the characters. She had a wierd name, but she is like a succubuss that can grow a dick with magic. There are scenes with her. (not sure if the husband can fuck this succubuss without the dick)
I have not played this route, so I can not tell you if the wife shows disloyal attitude in these scenes.

The other one I know about is Greyhide. You can share your wife with him.
He seems like a bro, but I have not gone this route.
I can not tell if the wife shows disloyal attittude in these scenes.

ANd if Im not mistaken you can share the wife with the Female Demon twin. But from what I have read, it can lead to lesbian ntr. And also cheating. The female demon twin will tell the wife to fuck other dudes behind your back "so she can practise and become good in bed so she can please you better".
Think this route is more of a slut training for the wife, rather than sharing.

Personally I never go for this sharing/swinging routes in any games, because it just comes down to NTR in the end.
MC gets humilated, his love interest just comparing him to others and how much better they feel than him.
Love interest shows more attention to the other character, rather than her man in group sex.
The love is gone between the love interest and her man because she cant wait for another encounter.
The love interest becames a simple slut and loses interest in her man.
Thats how usually sharing/swinging goes in such games. The relationships always ends up broken or weakend.
 

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Have not played this game in over a year. Are we any closer to finally being able to murder the twins or not? Will stay away until I get to torture them both to death.
 

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Have not played this game in over a year. Are we any closer to finally being able to murder the twins or not? Will stay away until I get to torture them both to death.
IIRC that won't be coming in this game, but in the sequel.

In other words, it's coming, but not yet.
 

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Will the choices of this chapter be carried over to the next? Will the next chapter consider Alexia not banging either twins despite having done so?
That's the plan, yes. We're looking at the best ways to handle that, but a game so steeped in player choice would be ruined of you couldn't use your choices for game 2.

Thanks for the reply! That was the type of answer I was looking for.
Yeah I want a good relationship with Alexia but also let her have her fun also lol
Ohh if you want a relationship between the husband and wife, but also want to share her from time to time. The you can just Turn OFF the NTR. Because even when its off, this does not disable the 3some scenes (Husband x Wife x Someone else)

(Assign the wife to the library, no ntr events happen there. Every other place has ntr events)

Recently the devs reworked one of the characters. She had a wierd name, but she is like a succubuss that can grow a dick with magic. There are scenes with her. (not sure if the husband can fuck this succubuss without the dick)
I have not played this route, so I can not tell you if the wife shows disloyal attitude in these scenes.

The other one I know about is Greyhide. You can share your wife with him.
He seems like a bro, but I have not gone this route.
I can not tell if the wife shows disloyal attittude in these scenes.

ANd if Im not mistaken you can share the wife with the Female Demon twin. But from what I have read, it can lead to lesbian ntr. And also cheating. The female demon twin will tell the wife to fuck other dudes behind your back "so she can practise and become good in bed so she can please you better".
Think this route is more of a slut training for the wife, rather than sharing.

Personally I never go for this sharing/swinging routes in any games, because it just comes down to NTR in the end.
MC gets humilated, his love interest just comparing him to others and how much better they feel than him.
Love interest shows more attention to the other character, rather than her man in group sex.
The love is gone between the love interest and her man because she cant wait for another encounter.
The love interest becames a simple slut and loses interest in her man.
Thats how usually sharing/swinging goes in such games. The relationships always ends up broken or weakend.
Yes, X'z and Greyhide are meant as clearly earmarked examples of sharing/swinging that are non-destructive. This is meant in contrast to the twins who *are* destructive.
 

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If I don't remember wrong, Rowan joins the Twins for Alexia's sake. I mean, you're able to name your reason for him to do it, but ultimately it always has to do with keeping her safe. If their bond breaks, or worse... if Rowan learns about his wife sharing her bed with one of her captors, what will prevent him from leaving the castle and its inhabitants on their own? The girl obviously isn't in dire need of a savior, his attachment to her will be broken or severely damaged, and taking off the necklace would probably just take a powerful enough mage.

If he still is a hero at heart, a redemption arc by defecting to the forces of Order would be the next logical step. He's got the experience, the motivation, the whole intel. If he's not, scorn would make him a fearsome rival for all the same reasons.
So what on Earth are the Twins playing at by seducing Alexia? There are thousands of other women ready to be bedded who would not endanger their campaign. One-upping Rowan and showing him his place could be easily done by taking one (or all) of his secondary LIs from under his nose and making him watch but weakening his bond to his wife is weakening their leverage over him.
Not a clever move at all...
 
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sorry for asking change log hasn't been updated i mostly play this game for ntr so how much ntr content did this update add?(I'm mainly interested in anderas asking too see if i should wait for the next update)
 

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The game lets you turn off the NTR content at the start.
But turning it off will only disable the wife content with other characters. You as the MC can still fuck around with whoever you like. The wife will not touch, flirt and do anything with anyone.
So be careful, I personally play a loyal Husband and Wife playthrough. Feels right to me with the game's setting.

Anyway, I suggest you dont bother reading this thread. A lot of people here are vocal how they just want to see the wife fucking everyone and everything. They just want her to betray and cuck the husband every step of the way. Reducing her to a simple whore.

So when there is a new update just check the changelog in the 1st page. And if you like check the last few pages to see what the devs have to share news for upcoming updates, overhauls, bug fixes etc ...
The devs here are Rein and T51bwinterized (you can use the search function here to see their posts only)
I didnt know that with ntr off you can still fuck everything as the male MC
 
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