i downloaded the newest version of the game and i dont see anything new looks like 04.08 but its called 04.09 just me ?
Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.13a] [Vénus Noire]
Anybody know when the official Android port will be released? Can't install the other port here since it was "built for an older version of Android".
Kisama33
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There's even an “official“ port in the 1st place? Always though every Android port was fan-made but I may be wrong.
One can be found in Patreon if you're a backer iirc, and another in the dev's itch.io site, although that one hasn't been updated in years now.
Is it just me? Or does new Alexia scenes is just a blackscreen for Android? If you guys have a better apk, can you share it?
Kisama33
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That's the usual, CGI's sometimes are not ready by the time they finish the update so they release it without them, they are added later in the next update.
They are beings of Chaos (in denial).
Chaos is self-destructive.
And Jezeera is not nearly as smart as she thinks.
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So.. yes.
It is the classic "looks good on paper" plan that will either bite you in the ass (if your corruption fails and you get tricked into defeat) or bite you in the ass (if your corruption succeeds and you get backstabed and deposed).
Unless you *really* embrace the Sith-philosophy and want the strongest to rule *even at the expense of yourself*, this is a terrible idea from start to finish.
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mehGusta
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i agree with almost anything you said, just not with andras plan being better.
ok i mean in the end i am not rowan, so how he will respond to finding out his sole reason for staying alive has become corrupted beyond repair, i cannot exactly know.
but honestly a rowan to further slave away after getting the ultimate betrayal from alexia, seems nonsensical to me. he needs a sliver of hope to keep on.
having alexia as anchor poses an additional risk, regardless of how dangerous alexia can actually become, since you will be handling 2 variables instead of just rowan. having rowan do your bidding without blackmail could prove an tremendous ally (but yeah, it most likely will bite her in the ass).
still better than to destroy toys outright like andras intends.
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Cant play Android version, just keeps crashing
I think I see Andras (original) plan differently than you do.
I think Andras "plan" is the brute force method: Get a bunch of Orcs and your own brawn to crush all. (which is stupid and will fail).
But Rowan has no real place in his plan, so he likes to fuck around with him. And to assert his dominance - which is generally something you have to do if you lack said dominance.
I honestly think Andras originally *wanted* Rowan to show backbone and go against him, so that the red idiot could have a decent excuse to kill Rowan.
I am not sure about how smart Andras actually is. It is kind of a gut feeling that he will be more trouble than his sister, once Rowan starts to move against them.
If you follow the Rowan and Andras path (and you can do that with minimal gay sex), it very much seems like Andras starts to respect Rowan and seems to be trying to get validation from him. I think the idea is that Rowan serves as a surrogate to Andras' daddy complex; he wants to dominate or destroy Rowan as a way to deal with his daddy issues but if Rowan gains his respect that switches to him needing validation. He wants to see Rowan approve his choices and decisions and he wants to see Rowan make the choices he would make.
And Andras definitely seems to be smart in the conventional manner. He is very good at retaining information and building new skills and excited to do so. But he is also a demon which makes him completely impulsive so his intelligence doesn't really matter cause he can rarely make use of it.
Mhm, makes sense. Both Andras and his sister want to project an image (confident and invincible warlord and genius puppet-master respectively) and once you actually look into them you see that they are just immature fools on a power-trip.
I admit the reason I avoid Andras content is less because of the gay sex and more because of my utter distaste for demons (and chaos).
And their unfounded arrogance together with their staggering lack of any form of actual competence as wannabe Emperors.
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Let's also not completely ignore the revenge angle. Sure, the twins claim that they don't care about the fact that you helped kill their father, but we all know that demons are liars. And Andras in particular is not doing a good job of hiding his daddy issues. After all there are plenty of more easily captured and controlled statesmen that could do the job they caught Rowan for. And if Rowan refuse to serve them, they don't waste any additional time trying to convince him to join them, they just shrug and throw him in the dungeon to die and forget about him.
Do I think they are sad or angry that the heroes killed their father, of course not. But I do think that defeating or perhaps even dominating the heroes. The problem is that most the heroes are really strong, and because they are very important they are also very well protected. But there is one hero that is just a slightly above average guy, who's only really strength is that he is particularly clever. Plus he is just living in a tiny backwater rural village with no protection. They can snatch him up easy (oops, maybe not so easy after all. Quick grab his wife). I'm sure they would have liked to do the same to all the heroes, but Rowan was the only one they could actually get to.
Frankly, I'll be surprised if when we go to take the other kingdoms the twins don't strongly push to capture the other heroes over killing them.
Do I think they are sad or angry that the heroes killed their father, of course not. But I do think that defeating or perhaps even dominating the heroes. The problem is that most the heroes are really strong, and because they are very important they are also very well protected. But there is one hero that is just a slightly above average guy, who's only really strength is that he is particularly clever. Plus he is just living in a tiny backwater rural village with no protection. They can snatch him up easy (oops, maybe not so easy after all. Quick grab his wife). I'm sure they would have liked to do the same to all the heroes, but Rowan was the only one they could actually get to.
Frankly, I'll be surprised if when we go to take the other kingdoms the twins don't strongly push to capture the other heroes over killing them.
While they absolutely are incompetent to rule and any Empire of theirs would end up a wasteland, I don't think their arrogance is unfounded. Andras does seem invincible. And Jezera's portal network and trove of magic items are very much impressive. They are arrogant because they have not really been challenged. Now I am sure someone magically powerful could affect them but they'd need to be extraordinary.
You are probably right, after all Jezera is way to confident in her ability to corrupt everyone. Those she kills for not bowing obviously don't count.
Could be great for a Rowan who did a W. gambit at the end of the first act. That way the heroes could know what Rowan is doing and could maybe feign going along with it, let them recruit themselves and aid in undermining the twins.
He seemed invincible until Heleyna started shooting arrows at him. He is really hard to kill and has some nasty abilities that make it even harder. But if he goes against battle-hardened veterans who can keep they cool, there is a good chance he gets shot down by a hail of arrows.
But yes, Jezera got some really powerful stuff. But she sees herself as this grand mastermind that can manipulate everyone, though she looses her cool way to quickly.
They are powerful, but not nearly as much as they think. Just enough to be an issue.
Isn't it somewhat hinted at that Clihona is the better mage than Jezera, but is interested in her stuff like the network and thus bides her time?
And I think there is a scene where Greyhide seems (physically) stronger than Andras, though I forgot why he doesn't keep battering him, to be honest.
But yeah, they are *dangerous*, but I don't think they *actually* have a chance to succeed even as much as their (alleged) father did.
In fact, I think in the world where Rowan utterly refuses and gets thrown back into the dungeons the twins just fail.
I actually always wondered why he gets fed for "decades". Maybe the twins wanted to keep him around as a trophy once they win or execute him with other heroes. Maybe, after some failures, they hoped he would slowly reconsider and beg them to let him out?
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I think the revenge plot will play a big role in the "Good Guy Rowan" paths. They love corrupting people and thus, if you allow Rowan to get corrupted (aka the Dark Knight path) their revenge plot seems to go towards the other heroes.
+Them having Rowan as an ally isn't just because he's weak but it also has to do with him being treated in an unjust manner by everyone else. Among all of the heroes he has the biggest reason to actually work against the leaders of the world and I believe that is the reason he (although dangerous) is allowed to do whatever he pleases without much push back.
They also seem to get nice and cozy with him if you play this way.
Jaz is quite content with the way she's molding Rowan into a more conniving and treacherous fellow (becoming the Goblin legend but for everyone). Andy on the other hand seems to respect Rowan for all the hard work he's doing and his warrior spirit. Both seem to trust Rowan enough to run things (even if it's still a punishment) and they both take into account what he has in mind.
Rowan is thus able to alter their plans without the 2 of them getting pissed about it (choosing the merchants instead of Priscilla) since he has their trust, as twisted as that is.
The only real inconsistencies appear in some side quests where no matter how friendly they were with you previously, they suddenly act like their original selves (like with the elves where Jaz doesn't tell Rowan her plans because "know your place" even if for me the previous event had her appreciate him).
Now could these 2 play the long con and get rid of him at the end? Yes.
I do believe that Rowan going on a Dark Knight path will make these 2 respect his loyalty tho. That's what I gathered from the interactions currently present in the game.
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I can't agree with anyone thinking Andras is the smarter twin, his only plan so far has been "Andras smash!" and if it doesn't work then smash harder. At lest Jezera realizes that they need help. With Andras at the helm, I doubt they'd even manage to take Raeve's Keep let alone Rastadel.
Granted the writers are trying to give him more nuance with the whole Greffin alliance in the NTR plotline but most of that goes against his previous characterization.
Granted the writers are trying to give him more nuance with the whole Greffin alliance in the NTR plotline but most of that goes against his previous characterization.
"Jezera (sex scene) during the battle of Astarte if the conditions are met "
Can anyone tell me what the conditions for this jezera scene are?
Can anyone tell me what the conditions for this jezera scene are?