Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.13a] [Vénus Noire]

[ffive]

So yeah when you don't have a main story, you don't need to do fantasy world building, you only do straight scenes, you don't do monsters it is just easier. The art is probably easier too, so much more you can sample.

I think you should probably check out ORS before you casually dismiss it as "much simpler without a main plot". You might realize just how silly you look making such claims.

(just the amount of interlocking variables and how they all affect the supposed non-existent main story alone is bordering on insane)

 

[maroder]

Personally I consider goblin and Astarte advancement as main story advancement.

they both are plus fey.

 

[Nym85]

they both are plus fey.

Are fey central to the plot? I still don't see it. They do not interact with Astarte and Rastedel in any way. I could see them becoming a major plot point in Act 2 I suppose but in Act 1 they feel like three more castle routes for milf, werewolf and catgirl (well foxgirl in this case) fantasies.

 

[Duskwolf]

It's been a few years (5+) since I played this game and was wondering if it's worth my time.

For context, when I last played the gameplay loop of castle management, discovery and conquest was interesting but the RNG was not conducive to a fun gameplay experience. I get that RNG/skill check events are a thing in this kind of game but there weren't sufficient tools to mitigate negative outcomes/skill checks. Worse still, the tools you did get were contigent on resources aquired via exploration which was RNG. I hate save scuming to but it felt necessary back then just to get a good roll. Without stat customization you were at the mercy of RNG and I just couldn't take it when the content I wanted was so sparse.

Have they fixed that issue, or is this game still just RNG simulator with lots of NTR and Gay porn?

It don't want to openly dismiss this game without asking others because it did have potentially fun gameplay buried under RNG bullshit and it catered to some of my more niche 'interests'. That said, it had way too much of stuff I didn't like, so I'm on the fence about picking this game back up.

So, Worth my time? Or am I better off just looking up the art?

 

[maroder]

It don't want to openly dismiss this game without asking others because it did have potentially fun gameplay buried under RNG bullshit and it catered to some of my more niche 'interests'. That said, it had way too much of stuff I didn't like, so I'm on the fence about picking this game back up.

RNG is still there BUT in my personal opinion is much better . you do get enough skill points to pass most check and even if you don't i dont bother to reload for failed checks in most situation(there are few exceptions it can be avoided if you know what you are doing). if i remember right in previous versions there was much much much more stats and you even got fewer skill points
now there is 8 stats and you get 5 skill points from level up and you can also buy single stat upgrades. same thing with management it actually dose things now and some very big events depend on it.

about NTR side depends. currently there are 2 main ntr plotlines (depending on your definition )but in reality they make very small part of overall scenes. same with gay scenes they are there but i would not say they represent majority of content.

generally its great game but its not for everyone some people will like it some wont you have to decide for yourself

 

[daimnyeskachatigry]

I created this account just to occasionally download games, and never planned to ever write comments. But here I am, because the situation with the game has pushed me over the edge.

I've been following the development since around the time of COVID, and SoC really impressed me. I remember even creating a Patreon account and supporting the developer for about a year. But after a year of regular charges to my card, the game development went completely off track. The game stopped developing in terms of plot. Many secondary and tertiary characters appeared who have no gameplay impact, just porn for the sake of porn. And what's more, at some point you start getting confused about who you're in a relationship with and at what stage. Stability issues - the game crashed on random events before, and it still crashes now. They added a huge number of niche fetishes, which at some point started to cause irritation. And so on.

The SoC developers at some point realized that instead of releasing their game, it would be more profitable to engage in an eternal work-in-progress, and sit on a gold mine with endless money. I went to their Patreon page, and they get 9k+ euros per month, which is equivalent to almost 10k dollars. That's not including Steam sales. Not a bad monthly income for a game that hasn't even approached stage 0.9 beta in 9 years of development.

And this isn't just a problem with SoC. As soon as money starts flowing to a developer, the development speed significantly drops down. The same problem exists with Moochie and his PhotoHunt, which has been in development since the closure of his first project, BigBrother. He didn't want to finish the first game, and he doesn't intend to finish the second one either. It's most profitable to work for about two or three days a month, release an update, earn about 6-7k bucks from it, and spend the rest of the time doing whatever you want. Brilliantly devised. LonaRPG is the same story, but at least its development is already at stage 0.9.8, and I hope to see the game's release this year.

The entire adult game industry today boils down to a broke developer creating their game out of enthusiasm, releasing it in some digestible form, and then dropping the ball and digging gold from their donors until support finally dies out. Then they release another one, dig money from a new flock, and the cycle continues. And it's sad because we as players become unwitting hostages to the situation.

I´m disappointed about modern adult gaming (especially SoC) and see no future in it.

 

[Kisama33]

I created this account just to occasionally download games, and never planned to ever write comments. But here I am, because the situation with the game has pushed me over the edge.

I've been following the development since around the time of COVID, and SoD really impressed me. I went to their Patreon page, and they get 9k+ euros per month, which is equivalent to almost 10k dollars. That's not including Steam sales. Not a bad monthly income for a game that hasn't even approached stage 0.9 beta in 9 years of development.

Are sure you are in the right thread? What's this SoD you are talking about? If you are in the right thread (maybe that's how people address the game and I don't know about it) I hope you understand that even if they are making 10k+ whatever money, that is still to be distributed to a bunch of people.

Finally I just want to address what is probably a misunderstanding that many people have and that appears to be you case (sorry if that's not the case), version 0.9 doesn't mean the game is 1 update away from the final release, it doesn't work like that, you can have v0.1cbeing followed by v1.0 (full release) or even v.0.3464 and still be X new updates away from a final release.

 

[daimnyeskachatigry]

Are sure you are in the right thread? What's this SoD you are talking about? If you are in the right thread (maybe that's how people address the game and I don't know about it) I hope you understand that even if they are making 10k+ whatever money, that is still to be distributed to a bunch of people.

Finally I just want to address what is probably a misunderstanding that many people have and that appears to be you case (sorry if that's not the case), version 0.9 doesn't mean the game is 1 update away from the final release, it doesn't work like that, you can have v0.1cbeing followed by v1.0 (full release) or even v.0.3464 and still be X new updates away from a final release.

Yes, you're right, I simply made a typo when I wrote SoD instead of SoC (Seeds of Chaos). I've corrected my previous comment so that others won't be confused.

Regarding game versions, I know they can be named differently and reflect various stages of development. With SoC, there's a certain logic to the naming: v0.4.10 (current version), v0.4.09, v0.4.08... v0.4.01, v0.3.13, v0.3.12, etc. Therefore, I can assume that the game isn't even close to being completed.

 

[maroder]

Yes, you're right, I simply made a typo when I wrote SoD instead of SoC (Seeds of Chaos). I've corrected my previous comment so that others won't be confused.

Regarding game versions, I know they can be named differently and reflect various stages of development. With SoC, there's a certain logic to the naming: v0.4.10 (current version), v0.4.09, v0.4.08... v0.4.01, v0.3.13, v0.3.12, etc. Therefore, I can assume that the game isn't even close to being completed.

you are assuming a lot of things and most of them are wrong
game 1 will most likely be finished sometimes roughly near start of next year if developers can continue delivering content with same speed.

 

[sorjs53]

you are assuming a lot of things and most of them are wrong
game 1 will most likely be finished sometimes roughly near start of next year if developers can continue delivering content with same speed.

The first part could've easily been finished 6 months ago instead of all the porn content that gets released. The devs literally could've finished the first part and then add new content before moving onto the second game. There's literally a WIP ending that they could've completed and then work to add new scenes to actually get people interested in doing new playthroughs. At some point you need to realize that there's no actual story content being pushed out because it's all just sex scenes and a few bug fixes they happen to find while implementing scenes

 

[maroder]

The first part could've easily been finished 6 months ago instead of all the porn content that gets released. The devs literally could've finished the first part and then add new content before moving onto the second game. There's literally a WIP ending that they could've completed and then work to add new scenes to actually get people interested in doing new playthroughs. At some point you need to realize that there's no actual story content being pushed out because it's all just sex scenes and a few bug fixes they happen to find while implementing scenes

okay tell me what content has been worked on for last 6 months because i have a feeling that you don't really know

 

[JoeSte91]

game 1 will most likely be finished sometimes roughly near start of next year if developers can continue delivering content with same speed.

I've heard that said every year.

 

[Akabakka]

okay tell me what content has been worked on for last 6 months because i have a feeling that you don't really know

let's be real, does the multiple additions over at least the last two years, like the new tavern and various jobs scenes, some Andras NTR scenes here and there, the "Alexia get a big boob transformation and tries to be a dominatrix again" scenes, the Heleyna rework , other scenes reworked, a few fey scenes here and there, feel like a progression to you ?

Don't get me wrong, i appreciate most of those, they are fine... but in the context of the whole main plot being completely halted, and the fabled Astarte path still not available, it kinda feels like filler content. And sadly so despite their quality. So yeah while I'm not as mad and salty than some commenters, i kinda agree that this is content that could just have been added instead after completing part 1 .

So yeah it's also hard to believe that game 1 will be finished as soon as you believe, when it feels that nothing but "sidequests", stands in the way of it being done already.

 

[Kisama33]

Regarding game versions, I know they can be named differently and reflect various stages of development. With SoC, there's a certain logic to the naming: v0.4.10 (current version), v0.4.09, v0.4.08... v0.4.01, v0.3.13, v0.3.12, etc. Therefore, I can assume that the game isn't even close to being completed.

I can bet that there will not even be a v.0.5. And even if it does it will be followed right away by v1.0 considering how much is left to be done for this Act, the other 2 Acts will be their own games (I think) and the new gameplay structure will allow a faster development (hopefully).

Still I assume the whole thing (all 3 Arcs) are still years away of being concluded so that feeling will remain for as long as it will take to do so (though in my case that doesn't really bother me that much).

 

[Dazai Suya]

Any Walkthrough Mod that highlights dialogues yet with latest?

 

[maroder]

let's be real, does the multiple additions over at least the last two years, like the new tavern and various jobs scenes, some Andras NTR scenes here and there, the "Alexia get a big boob transformation and tries to be a dominatrix again" scenes, the Heleyna rework , other scenes reworked, a few fey scenes here and there, feel like a progression to you ?

Don't get me wrong, i appreciate most of those, they are fine... but in the context of the whole main plot being completely halted, and the fabled Astarte path still not available, it kinda feels like filler content. And sadly so despite their quality. So yeah while I'm not as mad and salty than some commenters, i kinda agree that this is content that could just have been added instead after completing part 1 .

So yeah it's also hard to believe that game 1 will be finished as soon as you believe, when it feels that nothing but "sidequests", stands in the way of it being done already.

there has been total wait for drum rolll 2 alexia job even in past 2 years.
Most work has been done to Goblins arc which was planed from start and just never was implemented, then fey witch are also main plot line. and after that on reworked Astarte which is significantly better (i remember people bitching that Astarte did not give you any choices ) and after that most work went to finishing other character storyline and at these time most of them are done. there was alexia rowan scenes done for different corruption level which i support

also currently one path of astarte is already fully done with different branches and rewards depending on your playstyle
currently there are not too much things left. from what i can remember goblin and Astarte are biggest ones.
and goblins are already very close to finish. Astarte will most likely take some more time
andras ntr arc is alredy over or at max 1 event is left
helyana arc also should be close to finish
and there is one incursion event left that needs finishing touches.
i maybe some things but there certainly are not impossible amount of content left to be done

 

[Nym85]

there has been total wait for drum rolll 2 alexia job even in past 2 years.
Most work has been done to Goblins arc which was planed from start and just never was implemented, then fey witch are also main plot line. and after that on reworked Astarte which is significantly better (i remember people bitching that Astarte did not give you any choices ) and after that most work went to finishing other character storyline and at these time most of them are done. there was alexia rowan scenes done for different corruption level which i support

also currently one path of astarte is already fully done with different branches and rewards depending on your playstyle
currently there are not too much things left. from what i can remember goblin and Astarte are biggest ones.
and goblins are already very close to finish. Astarte will most likely take some more time
andras ntr arc is alredy over or at max 1 event is left
helyana arc also should be close to finish
and there is one incursion event left that needs finishing touches.
i maybe some things but there certainly are not impossible amount of content left to be done

I mean they entered the year saying they hoped to be done by the end of the year and now they already moved the goalpost to early in 2026. My best bet is that the first Act 2 built is May 2026. And that's a long shot imo.

 

[Leonhart245]

Will there be any new animations added to the game?

 

[1king45wolf]

can you betray Tue-Row?

 

[Rein]

can you betray Tue-Row?

Not yet. But soon.

Also, you monster!