Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.13a] [Vénus Noire]

[Rein]

the ending is kinda the same (not talking about the relationships, of course, only about the actual story), with you getting all depressed about the things you did to the city (despite the game allowing you to be more excited for the battle in the end). it would be much better to have more substantial corruption, with the main character actually enjoying the carnage and destruction. will give an actual character development

That's fair. I tried to add variable text to make corrupt Rowan more frustrated at what he perceives as a personal failure rather than depressed, but we did have to railroad things a little to actually finish the damn act.

I stand by that decision, I think the sex scenes during the comfort segment were worth it.

 

[c4tx]

12a again made broken exist saves and it crushing with "'Library' object has no attribute 'bg'" error after update just from 11a.

lost time again... waiting for final now if it ever will be released ofcourse.

maybe there is some way to fix it without a new game?

I had problems using saves from version 10 in version 12, and I thought that perhaps it was caused by a change they did to the save system in version 11 (or so I remember)

Could you tell me if you had this problem previously, because I was going to start a new game using version 13 to avoid the problems of my saves in 4.10

If this is going to happen again and again in multiple version, perhaps I should wait more, no?

(Also, the biggest problems happened completing the research and loading the castle map when a new week starts)

 

[f95_user]

I had problems using saves from version 10 in version 12, and I thought that perhaps it was caused by a change they did to the save system in version 11 (or so I remember)

Could you tell me if you had this problem previously, because I was going to start a new game using version 13 to avoid the problems of my saves in 4.10

If this is going to happen again and again in multiple version, perhaps I should wait more, no?

(Also, the biggest problems happened completing the research and loading the castle map when a new week starts)

It is the second time I encountered the saves are broken by an update. Tested version 13 and there even more errors appeared.

 

[Rein]

Always save at castle screen between versions, only way to maintain compatibility

 

[kathy32]

I stand by that decision, I think the sex scenes during the comfort segment were worth it.

understandable, developing such paths can be very complicated. the scenes are indeed great. one minor issue, not enough alexia x andres scenes towards the end! (jk, game is still great)

 

[Rein]

understandable, developing such paths can be very complicated. the scenes are indeed great. one minor issue, not enough alexia x andres scenes towards the end! (jk, game is still great)

More to come.

 

[diebesgrab]

More to come.

But not more Alexia x Jezera?

 

[YellowShoes]

If anyone's missing the non-patreon version, you may try this temporary solution:
1) Download

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and extract it. It's a folder with non-patreon images from 0.4.12. (You can use your own copy if you have one laying around ofc.)
2) Copy included np folder to Seeds' /game (not /images!) directory.

That did it for me. The version is recognized as non-patreon now. It doesn't include images from those two new Alexia x Greyhide scenes though (if they're included to the game at all).

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i tried this, it still starts as the patreon version, i can trigger the events wtih unren console and the pictures are now there, but its still the patreon version, and the events dont occur naturally

 

[Seeker8074]

What's going on with everyone nowadays? Why is there such a strong desire for NTR scenes involving Andras and Alexia, especially when Andra's behavior toward the player-controlled protagonist makes you want to execute him through the screen?

 

[The Australian Guy]

What's going on with everyone nowadays? Why is there such a strong desire for NTR scenes involving Andras and Alexia, especially when Andra's behavior toward the player-controlled protagonist makes you want to execute him through the screen?

Because NTR is hot, and people want to see more of it.

 

[Seeker8074]

Because NTR is hot, and people want to see more of it.

I'm fine with NTL and lesbian NTR in this game, but when it comes to a character like Andras, whom I genuinely want the protagonist to slash to death with a sword, NTR can go to hell. The only way I'd accept it is if the protagonist later discovers the truth, becomes corrupted, and seeks revenge, making both Andras and Alexia pay the price. I can't stand the idea of the protagonist having to endure humiliation while playing a game.

If this game were purely NTR-focused and the protagonist were portrayed as an irredeemable cuck loser, I wouldn't care. But that's not the case. What's even more frustrating is that the artist seems increasingly intent on making the NTR scenes with Andras more sexually appealing. This feels unfair to me—why can't they create equally enticing CGs for players who can't accept this direction? Why not let Rowen become an absolute dominator over his wife? Isn't the main goal of playing a porn game to enjoy attractive erotic CGs? However, the significant disparity in the appeal of the CGs between the two routes makes me feel like the artist is subtly coercing players into accepting NTR. It ultimately feels like a betrayal. If the artist loves NTR so much, they should just make the game entirely NTR-themed.

 

[Hatsume Kill]

What's going on with everyone nowadays? Why is there such a strong desire for NTR scenes involving Andras and Alexia, especially when Andra's behavior toward the player-controlled protagonist makes you want to execute him through the screen?

I'm fine with NTL and lesbian NTR in this game, but when it comes to a character like Andras, whom I genuinely want the protagonist to slash to death with a sword, NTR can go to hell. The only way I'd accept it is if the protagonist later discovers the truth, becomes corrupted, and seeks revenge, making both Andras and Alexia pay the price. I can't stand the idea of the protagonist having to endure humiliation while playing a game.

If this game were purely NTR-focused and the protagonist were portrayed as an irredeemable cuck loser, I wouldn't care. But that's not the case. What's even more frustrating is that the artist seems increasingly intent on making the NTR scenes with Andras more sexually appealing. This feels unfair to me—why can't they create equally enticing CGs for players who can't accept this direction? Why not let Rowen become an absolute dominator over his wife? Isn't the main goal of playing a porn game to enjoy attractive erotic CGs? However, the significant disparity in the appeal of the CGs between the two routes makes me feel like the artist is subtly coercing players into accepting NTR. It ultimately feels like a betrayal. If the artist loves NTR so much, they should just make the game entirely NTR-themed.

Different strokes for different folks. Some people like the humiliation and power dynamic while others don't.
If you don't like NTR with andras, just... don't choose that option lmao. No one is forcing you to watch the scene.
Don't get mad that the game is not specifically catered exactly the way you want.

I will never understand people that bitch about NTR lol. They go out of their way to play a game with NTR, choose the NTR option, then come here to bitch about how they got NTRed and how much they hate NTR.

 

[Seeker8074]

Different strokes for different folks. Some people like the humiliation and power dynamic while others don't.
If you don't like NTR with andras, just... don't choose that option lmao. No one is forcing you to watch the scene.
Don't get mad that the game is not specifically catered exactly the way you want.

I will never understand people that bitch about NTR lol. They go out of their way to play a game with NTR, choose the NTR option, then come here to bitch about how they got NTRed and how much they hate NTR.

First of all, I have never chosen the NTR route with Andras in this game, so your statement only makes me feel your arrogance. How dare you assume that I played Andras's NTR route and then came back to complain? I only started playing this game recently. After finishing the game, I used the one-click unlock feature to view the entire gallery and noticed the difference in the attractiveness of the erotic CGs between Andras's NTR route and the route I played. I believe most people don't even need to click into the details—just by looking at the covers, they can tell that the level of eroticism between the two is not comparable. It's precisely because I understand that the game isn't designed solely for me that I feel even more disgusted. There are players who can accept NTR with Andras and those who cannot, but the gap in the appeal of the CGs, even setting aside the thrilling taboo aspect of NTR, is still significant. Isn't this unfair? I have no idea how you can so self-righteously take the moral high ground and criticize my sense of unfairness.

 

[Hatsume Kill]

First of all, I have never chosen the NTR route with Andras in this game, so your statement only makes me feel your arrogance. How dare you assume that I played Andras's NTR route and then came back to complain? I only started playing this game recently. After finishing the game, I used the one-click unlock feature to view the entire gallery and noticed the difference in the attractiveness of the erotic CGs between Andras's NTR route and the route I played. I believe most people don't even need to click into the details—just by looking at the covers, they can tell that the level of eroticism between the two is not comparable. It's precisely because I understand that the game isn't designed solely for me that I feel even more disgusted. There are players who can accept NTR with Andras and those who cannot, but the gap in the appeal of the CGs, even setting aside the thrilling taboo aspect of NTR, is still significant. Isn't this unfair? I have no idea how you can so self-righteously take the moral high ground and criticize my sense of unfairness.

Dude you're just proving my point you gotta calm tf down it's just a porn game lol
What, the andras scenes are hotter and that makes you mad? Well tough shit. Go play a different game that's catered to your tastes. Life ain't fair. Not every porn game was made for you and only you. Other people enjoy kinks you don't. That's life.

 

[falsapersona]

Dude you're just proving my point lol
What, the andras scenes are hotter and that makes you mad? Well tough shit. Go play a different game that's catered to your tastes. Life ain't fair. Not every porn game was made for you and only you. Other people enjoy kinks you don't. That's life.

They def have many scenes, Andras and Alexia may be the pair of characters that have more scenes together but that is partially because they are the core of NTR route. Personally, I don't mind NTR if is well written but Andras is too much of a prick, so even when I play a corrupted Alexia I find that rejecting his advances is way more entertaining than go on with the cuckoldery

 

[Seeker8074]

Dude you're just proving my point you gotta calm tf down it's just a porn game lol
What, the andras scenes are hotter and that makes you mad? Well tough shit. Go play a different game that's catered to your tastes. Life ain't fair. Not every porn game was made for you and only you. Other people enjoy kinks you don't. That's life.

Don't you realize you're contradicting yourself? That's right, the game isn't made specifically for certain individuals. People who accept this route are everywhere, saying things like "please give us more of this content," yet you don't tell them anything like "the game isn't made for you." So why should I, who can't accept it, have to endure your arrogant lecturing when I say I'd like more content about Rowan dominating his fallen wife? What double standard are you applying here?

 

[Oriandu]

What's going on with everyone nowadays? Why is there such a strong desire for NTR scenes involving Andras and Alexia, especially when Andra's behavior toward the player-controlled protagonist makes you want to execute him through the screen?

Andras x Alexia scenes are the ones that most heavily fulfill the NTR tropes. Jezera is far less overtly disrespectful to Rowan and in general she's less of an asshole than her brother. She doesn't have a dick so she can't wander around all "Look at how big and monly my dick is, I'm way better with it than your loser husband." So if you're playing for NTR then you're playing for Andras.

 

[Akabakka]

I'm fine with NTL and lesbian NTR in this game, but when it comes to a character like Andras, whom I genuinely want the protagonist to slash to death with a sword, NTR can go to hell. The only way I'd accept it is if the protagonist later discovers the truth, becomes corrupted, and seeks revenge, making both Andras and Alexia pay the price. I can't stand the idea of the protagonist having to endure humiliation while playing a game.

If this game were purely NTR-focused and the protagonist were portrayed as an irredeemable cuck loser, I wouldn't care. But that's not the case. What's even more frustrating is that the artist seems increasingly intent on making the NTR scenes with Andras more sexually appealing. This feels unfair to me—why can't they create equally enticing CGs for players who can't accept this direction? Why not let Rowen become an absolute dominator over his wife? Isn't the main goal of playing a porn game to enjoy attractive erotic CGs? However, the significant disparity in the appeal of the CGs between the two routes makes me feel like the artist is subtly coercing players into accepting NTR. It ultimately feels like a betrayal. If the artist loves NTR so much, they should just make the game entirely NTR-themed.

I mean again, the game is clearly centered around the corruption and humiliation of the characters, with or without NTR. At some point you have to accept that or move on. And obviously, there are a planned route or routes, leading to Rowan (and/or Alexia) eventually turning on the twins. The issue has been as always: the game is still stuck at the same point plot-wise.

But yeah, you're right that the focus is on the type of content you don't want. It's no secret. So yes, they don't make as much effort on the content and path you'd want instead. That doesn't mean they should just remove the option altogether. There are, after all, people that will still be satisfied with that much, or as little. Many games won't balance the "unimportant" paths as much as the prime ones... especially mid-development.

That's the kind of thing you only do when you have enough time, budget; the leisure to do so.

 

[Akabakka]

the first one is about the sandbox rng, it can make some stuff very repetitive and kinda takes away from the game, imo (having the sandbox with set places for events and quests will be way better, imo, than randomly wandering around for them. never managed to find the quest in the forest).

I fully agree about the RNG quests. Those are just awful. I've spent hours to no avail, in the last two versions i played, trying to trigger stuff like the quest with the Huntress in the Forest and the tree goddess. I understand the wish to have people explore the world and stumble unto random events, but those kind of side quests need more, clearer and stricter triggers and conditions

 

[Rein]

But not more Alexia x Jezera?

Possibly more to come.

I'm fine with NTL and lesbian NTR in this game, but when it comes to a character like Andras, whom I genuinely want the protagonist to slash to death with a sword, NTR can go to hell. The only way I'd accept it is if the protagonist later discovers the truth, becomes corrupted, and seeks revenge, making both Andras and Alexia pay the price. I can't stand the idea of the protagonist having to endure humiliation while playing a game.

If this game were purely NTR-focused and the protagonist were portrayed as an irredeemable cuck loser, I wouldn't care. But that's not the case. What's even more frustrating is that the artist seems increasingly intent on making the NTR scenes with Andras more sexually appealing. This feels unfair to me—why can't they create equally enticing CGs for players who can't accept this direction? Why not let Rowen become an absolute dominator over his wife? Isn't the main goal of playing a porn game to enjoy attractive erotic CGs? However, the significant disparity in the appeal of the CGs between the two routes makes me feel like the artist is subtly coercing players into accepting NTR. It ultimately feels like a betrayal. If the artist loves NTR so much, they should just make the game entirely NTR-themed.

Dude i don't know how to tell you but you might be into NTR.