Oh no I completely understand that part, Rowan is in a bad spot that much is very clear. Its what I was referring to regarding this being unique. But as I mentioned in my other post, there are certain things that just show up constantly and don't really get addressed. He makes a joke about the dick thing, but the reason I mention is because it just keeps happening in the game to the point of like NTR manga parody. Its clearly something that is being used to degrade him or something Rowan is lacking if all of his antagonists flaunt this. Which is fine if Rowan can do something about it, you're going to keep bringing up this characteristic
then let the player do something about it. Clearly a world full of magic, even the wife( I believe) grows one that is bigger than Rowans. Maybe this is something he can do during the up coming revolt content half way, that would be fitting I guess and no other art would have to be changed then because it would just be how things are drawn going forward. Thats why I mention it, its something that endlessly happens in the game. It kind of casts a shadow over the other content Rowan is in.
As for slowly planning his way for victory, it honestly doesn't come off that way. His wife treats him unreasonably and he basically doesn't stand up for himself. he corruption seems to happen way to easily, everyone just gives in instantly. Rowan doesn't really seem like he's getting anywhere as much as just being able to avoid certain things. I'd happy to have a slow build up if there actually seems like there is a plan or something we are working towards. But that doesn't really get shown as taking place in a meaningful manner anywhere.
Just see my reply above. I'd be happy to be wrong, but there isn't much progress in Rowan doing much. He's not really getting his own power, we aren't getting real hints of we are heading towards a victory over anyone. I'm fine with the long game if they're going to put as much detail, in the revolt in utterly destroying the Twins. Making the twins his bitch, like I said I'd want as much detail of Rowan corrupting Andras into a weak succubus or something. The same level of detail that Andras has on the MANY many many scenes of him fucking Rowans wife and the many many scenes of him making Rowan his bitch. Which just endlessly increases.
" On the visual novel side the game is inspired by the deep branched dialogue inspired by Obsidian, Bioware, and the Witcher games. These dialogues are designed to be meaningful, and often affect later meetings and events. "
Alright that sounds great, where is the meaningful choices where what we did actually does something that effects anything other than if you get cucked? Where are the scenes where you're building up towards that upcoming revolt or doing any sort of self improvement that is meaningful enough to corrupt the sister to your side during it? I'm just not seeing that aspect being portrayed well in the game so far.
This is what all lead to the original post I made, there aren't much hints of Rowan making progress as much it seems he's going sideways fast instead of forwards.
See all of the above replies in the post.
Okay okay. There is a
ghost of a reasonable piece of feedback here. What I can attempt to divine is that you are saying:
"There is an insufficient amount of screen time spent in the game showing Rowan
clearly engaging in acts of
overt sedition. Most of the buildup is spent with either smaller, interpersonal acts of defiance, or just networking (fucking) people in the castle. The latter
is actually buildup, but it's not framed as such."
Thus, what you are asking for is more moments in the game (conditionals/events) that show Rowan actively taking steps to destroy the twins.
However, I used the word
over and
clearly for a reason. Someone paying attention in the game would see Rowan has the option to really fuck over the twins in ways larger then just making friends and accumulating money.
- Twisting key castle characters against the twins (follow the charachter events)
- Helping Helayna escape, with all of her accumulated knowledge
- Damaging the Orciad tribe by rescuing Delane.
- Helping the core of the Rosarian defenders escape Rastedel.
- Deliberately installing loyalists in key positions (Jacques, Rowan-Loyal Patricia, Tarish)
Those are important things to be fair and probably more important really to be focused on first. But the tool used to cause those ahegaos is important also and like I said in that most recent long post. I only bring it up, because its clearly something the game makes a keynote of with its design. I won't repeat myself much on that point, not sure how I can cover it more than there. If the game didn't keep showing things that way, I wouldn't notice. Which it seems like that was the point, which if this is another thing Rowan needs work on and grow so to speak like with everything else. Thats fine, Rowan drinking a potion or using magic to correct the issue when he starts rebelling is an easy plot point I guess. Fitting for a game with porn where women regularly grow dicks.
Must. Not. Make. Fun. Of. Dick. Potion.
Though I will say, coming from the BDSM community, dick size fixation is the strangest thing to me. The men most effective at giving a woman pleasure are the ones who are the best at understanding a woman's sexual fantasies and then utilizing that understanding. It's just not the way I think about sexual prowess.
Andras isn't
actually seducing Alexia with his penis size on the NTR route. It's that he appreciably understands her feelings of repression. I've basically always written Rowan as having the capacity in specific to surpass Andras in terms of sexual capability just in terms of the way Rowan thinks.
I just want to thank the Devs and writers for attempting this epic saga of smut, corruption, and demonic erotic.
You guys are doing much, much more than actual books/erotica that makes millions of dollars like 50 shades of grey.
Heck, even alpha-beta weird "wolf" porn/omegaverse makes millions of dollars and has huge fandom ,
and that's just mostly text
I'm wondering how the heck can visual erotic novels/games like these can become more popular, popular like wolf erotica at least
Did you see that Lindsay Ellis video on Omegaverse? I basically died laughing the entire time. That shit is hilarious. Also, no Awoo-ing here.
And how about the plethora of harem based games where there is no alternative as well. Like the "prime gem" on this site Summertime saga. All the scenes there is the mc fucking every girl in town. Is that your "unique" game ?! Were is the group sex there? Where is the swinging an cheating there? Where is your balance. This game as far as i can see is for people with other tastes , not the ones that insust on living their banal power alpha male fantasy. You wound not mid if Rowan was fucking every girl in caste (and he does) cheating on his wife do you ? But where Alexia (the othem mc in the game mind you) gets some action you cry NTR. As for you saying that the coruption happens way to fast . The way i see it Alexia and Rowan are lewd to begin whit its eastabliesh in the first scene 3 min in to the game. All they needed was a little push. And i especialy enjoy the way Alexia is getting in to it - the good noble little house wife that quckly shows her true nature of a horny frustrated slut. Good stuff.
Don't be too harsh on empowering games. I happen to enjoy a good number of H-games about a male MC going around fucking women. I got my start in H-games writing for HaremVX. I can think of a good number of games like that I follow, and I see the appeal of it. I don't consider such things Banal, and there's lots of room for creative expression in the genre (that is not nearly as well tapped as I'd like).
But, Seeds of Chaos is just
not that kind of raw empowerment fantasy. There are empowering elements to it, and I think someone could enjoy it on those terms. But, the game is designed to posses more pathways of appeal. There's a lot of benefits to it. The broad shotgun approach to fetishes and pairings that we have is a consequence of something that games that center empowerment to the detriment of other forms of engagement would lack.
I'll be honest nwith you people, I spend stupid amount of time complaining to Sommy to get the tits and aheago expressions right, but never once did I give even a moment to think about Rowan's dick.
Can confirm. We have spent literally days in a brutal verbal death struggle over the mechanics of the Elven Economy. But, I cannot in my recollection ever think of a single time anyone on the team has discussed the mechanics of Rowan's dick size once. The artists just draw it, I guess.
A person can be submissive to females and dominant over males or vice versa. What's more, one can be dom/sub towards certain characters, and these dynamics can change over time, so it makes sense to not have these traits limiting character choices.
That's largely true, however something like a dominant or submisive tag is still very useful dev side, because you can write conditionals that are meaningful based on a single simple flag. Someone could set it up so that the dominant or submisive flag only flies with specific genders, but that's somewhat more conditional work. More to the point, some people are Dominant or Submisive with diffrent partners within the same gender. Unless you wanted to do it as "dominant with x charachter", but that's so minute that it loses the entire advantage of doing it as a tag rather then as an indipendent stat. Overall, at some point a developer needs to say "enough is enough, this conditional covers everything."
Also, this is all hypothetical though. Again, we're just not going to do tags like that because it's too hard to retrofit into a game.
The only dick I am thinking about is Alexia's
Imagine getting cucked not only by Andras, but his own wife as well
This is some intense degenerate shit. Continue, continue.
I mean, we have hundreds of unique events, with hundreds of thousands of words of content spread among them. Not sure what else to tell you, man.
