Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.13a] [Vénus Noire]

[Semantics]

So I haven't played for a while did Cla-Min, Helayna and Liurial's stuff get a rework? I vaguely remember it been mentioned. Quite like them so may have a play through next update if it's happened.


Ah see there was more “drama” . I have never seen so many hissy fits as on this site; like clockwork on certain threads. People mistake it for porn twitter or something. With how much wanking the people on here do you'd think they'd be less frustrated.

Helayna's content hasn't received a rework, but it has been mentioned as one of the upcoming focuses (Working on her Act 1 content, that is, not explicitly a rework.)

Cla-Min didn't get a rework (Though she did get a new scene recently), but her shop did.

Liurial has had a rework, both in terms of sex scenes and other scenes.

 

[SpoiledPrince]

But isn't it for a player to decide if Rowan plows that holes or not? You are bringing your personal playthrough into this i guess, but you can actually play very dutiful and loyal husbando, same goes for Alexia she can be very loyal waifu if you want her to be.

But she has the chance not to be, which is a rare thing. In fact, you can choose their relationship to be asymmetrical with her as the cheating part. She can also reject the sex and still betray him in some other ways, undermine his position, maybe even have some influence over the Twins, pushing her own goals as they think she completely submits to them. And said goals don't have to be Rowan's... or include him at all.
How many games offer you that choice? Not everything revolves around the sword-wielding hero and his conquests.

Once she gets her magic she will stop being such a damsel in distress and maybe get her own agreement with the overlords.
She's the one showing us the internal working of the castle, the relationship between the servants and the troops, the daily life and needs of less heroic people who still get the job done. I believe her connection with the help & staff will prove to be useful. That's why her perspective is necessary for the plot

I love that she's jealous, frustrated, hopeless at times. How she gets tired of waiting, working, being under powerful beings' thumb. The way she demands respect, looks for her place, and tries to make friends. It's really nice to see her considering abusing her power over others when given the chance to turn the tables on some people.
She's well written and her own character.

 

[Big Green]

But she has the chance not to be, which is a rare thing. In fact, you can choose their relationship to be asymmetrical with her as the cheating part. She can also reject the sex and still betray him in some other ways, undermine his position, maybe even have some influence over the Twins, pushing her own goals as they think she completely submits to them. And said goals don't have to be Rowan's... or include him at all.
How many games offer you that choice? Not everything revolves around the sword-wielding hero and his conquests.

Once she gets her magic she will stop being such a damsel in distress and maybe get her own agreement with the overlords.
She's the one showing us the internal working of the castle, the relationship between the servants and the troops, the daily life and needs of less heroic people who still get the job done. I believe her connection with the help & staff will prove to be useful. That's why her perspective is necessary for the plot

I love that she's jealous, frustrated, hopeless at times. How she gets tired of waiting, working, being under powerful beings' thumb. The way she demands respect, looks for her place, and tries to make friends. It's really nice to see her considering abusing her power over others when given the chance to turn the tables on some people.
She's well written and her own character.

But then again it is just an option in one of playthroughs. You can't define her like she's some kind of oppressed jealous thing in general. But the whole corruption theme is a thing.

So i still don't get why she is so special in your opinion. She is a plain and simple farmgirl. Take for example Rowan: a war hero, strong willed and cunning warrior that is falling from his grace. It is interesting to see his development and how he change. On the other hand we have Alexia: normal housewife with no real life experience, no achievments, no goals, nothing. How is that an interesting protag? even if she gets fully corrupted my reaction will be :"Oh well whatever". She had no personality to begin with so corrupting her is not that difficult and not that important.

 

[SpoiledPrince]

But then again it is just an option in one of playthroughs. You can't define her like she's some kind of oppressed jealous thing in general. But the whole corruption theme is a thing.

So i still don't get why she is so special in your opinion. She is a plain and simple farmgirl. Take for example Rowan: a war hero, strong willed and cunning warrior that is falling from his grace. It is interesting to see his development and how he change. On the other hand we have Alexia: normal housewife with no real life experience, no achievments, no goals, nothing. How is that an interesting protag? even if she gets fully corrupted my reaction will be :"Oh well whatever". She had no personality to begin with so corrupting her is not that difficult and not that important.

Until now she has been passively receiving the consequences of other people's decisions because she lacked all the things you mentioned in your post, but that ended the moment she was kidnapped. She has been given choices, discovered new skills, and found out there's more to life than being a simple housewife.
That chance was only given to her because of her relationship with Rowan, in order to hurt/manipulate him, that much is true, but what she does with it depends mostly on her.

Rowan also starts as a goody-two-shoes enjoying a bucolic country life, his glory days long gone. We're not given much information about his previous personality, so we can say he's as much of a blank slate as his wife is at that point.
We get to know them better through the playthrough, influencing some of the changes they experience and the people they become.
For example, we had no previous clue that Rowan liked men, and in some playthroughs he ends perking up at the sight of sweaty muscles or hard butts, eagerly taking part in gay encounters.

 

[Big Green]

Until now she has been passively receiving the consequences of other people's decisions because she lacked all the things you mentioned in your post, but that ended the moment she was kidnapped. She has been given choices, discovered new skills, and found out there's more to life than being a simple housewife.
That chance was only given to her because of her relationship with Rowan, in order to hurt/manipulate him, that much is true, but what she does with it depends mostly on her.

Rowan also starts as a goody-two-shoes enjoying a bucolic country life, his glory days long gone. We're not given much information about his previous personality, so we can say he's as much of a blank slate as his wife is at that point.
We get to know them better through the playthrough, influencing some of the changes they experience and the people they become.
For example, we had no previous clue that Rowan liked men, and in some playthroughs he ends perking up at the sight of sweaty muscles or hard butts, eagerly taking part in gay encounters.

So you are actually saying that we could pick any random human and they would be just as interesting as Alexia? Because it's all about being kidnapped lol. Then i vote for the village elder yet again.

 

[SpoiledPrince]

So you are actually saying that we could pick any random human and they would be just as interesting as Alexia? Because it's all about being kidnapped lol. Then i vote for the village elder yet again.

Have you seen Rowan doing anything no other human could have pulled off? When has he displayed an unseen strategic genius?

 

[monk_56]

Have you seen Rowan doing anything no other human could have pulled off? When has he displayed an unseen strategic genius?

Three Wars.
~The back story leading up the the original Siege of Bloodmeen.
~The one that is being re-worked- where Rowan and the Twins fight of an army heading southward towards Bloodmeen.
~Setting up the starting state of Rastdel- getting the city to fight itself was no small feat.

I'm not going to argue that the game has done the greatest job at highlighting Rowan's alleged prowess as a tactician or sneak- but there are strong elements of it woven in to the plot for sure.

Also there is this weird narrative thread where he is very magic resistant / iron willed. Not sure where that is going.

 

[errte13]

Also there is this weird narrative thread where he is very magic resistant / iron willed. Not sure where that is going.

I think it's the mage (forgot the name) who remarked that Rowan has some magic quality when he shouldn't have. The source of that is his wife who has untapped talent for magic.

 

[monk_56]

I think it's the mage (forgot the name) who remarked that Rowan has some magic quality when he shouldn't have. The source of that is his wife who has untapped talent for magic.

Yea as you said its definitely not magical.

You see a thread of it in the new opener when Andras bashes Rowan with magic and he is a bit hard to bring down - and then again in the Cilonia arc if you resist her.

W/e quality it is is definitely not magic (at least in the more standard sense). Since as you attested, Cilonia confirms he doesn't have magical ability. But he is still able to resist Cilonia- which doesn't make any sense to her. There is definitely some sort of sub-plot going on here with magic resistance or non-conventional powers - if it isn't the case Rowan is just the biggest Chad ever at being ridiculously stubborn.

 

[Big Green]

Have you seen Rowan doing anything no other human could have pulled off? When has he displayed an unseen strategic genius?

Already anwered by the 56th monk, but still let me add something. First of all obviously winning the war? Saying sayonara Karnas and sending him back to hell? Of course he was not like the one doin all that, but still he did help his team a lot with his wits and swordsmanship. So yes that alone is putting him way ahead of any other human being, let alone Alexia that was chilling in the village. And again if i do remember correctly his teammates were giving him high regard, even the powerful ones (he was even chosen by a saint). Then we have mentions of Karst of course and his defence and sabotage missions, goblins that worship him yet again for his cunnings. You just can't deny that he is somewhat special for a human (even tho he doesn't like it that much himself).

But that is all beside my original point. He did all that and he did see the life outside of his village. He has experience and has an actual well-established character. Because of that it is interesting to see what kind of man he becomes after his time under the twins. Alexia is more like an NPC character made very important just for the sake of some kinks. And i do believe that is actually what happened with her. It's up to you if you like her or not, but you can't deny their past like that and just tell us that kidnapping some weak human will turn them into something else entirely.

 

[monk_56]

So I haven't played for a while did Cla-Min, Helayna and Liurial's stuff get a rework? I vaguely remember it been mentioned. Quite like them so may have a play through next update if it's happened.

HeyA360 Not sure how long ago you played- but basically in the last two updates -->

Additional Cla-min narrative has been a nice change of pace from the usual oppression vibes you get in the game while playing on Rowan's side. Also the art was super-hot. Sommie's goblins are really exceptional.

The Liurial narrative is particularly compelling. So many vibes- so many options. Rowan x Jezera banter is often exceptional- and Liurial is adorable. You can fully explore the route without any sexuality as well which is rather nice as an option.

Draith's arc was also very well done. Not sure when you last played but it was basically finished out for Act1. Again, you can fully explore the route without being sexual, which I appreciate.

The art for Draith will take awhile to get done since gay content doesn't do very well in the patreon CG polls.

I'm guessing both the Cla-Min and Liurial arcs will have a finale this or the next release and should get their art relatively soon after that based on patreon voting. If you wait until March for another play-through I suspect you should get them in their full glory.

Lots of updated Hel art has been added- but the narrative content hasn't been worked on yet.

 

[OhAshenOne]

Anyone else having an issue getting the scene with Alexia and Andras at the start? When Rowan gets back from week 1 I get no choices for not sneaking out or telling her to do it with Andras. Rowan just shows up of his own accord and he tells her the truth and she gets angry and calls the night with Andras off. Did they change how this works or is the guide giving me info without the context of "The second time" or something?

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

But then again it is just an option in one of playthroughs. You can't define her like she's some kind of oppressed jealous thing in general. But the whole corruption theme is a thing.

So i still don't get why she is so special in your opinion. She is a plain and simple farmgirl. Take for example Rowan: a war hero, strong willed and cunning warrior that is falling from his grace. It is interesting to see his development and how he change. On the other hand we have Alexia: normal housewife with no real life experience, no achievments, no goals, nothing. How is that an interesting protag? even if she gets fully corrupted my reaction will be :"Oh well whatever". She had no personality to begin with so corrupting her is not that difficult and not that important.

To be fair, Rowan was one just some plain simple farm boy as well. He wasn't born a war hero or a great general. He was just some nobody that was thrown in an exceptional situation and was lucky enough to survive long enough to discover and build the talents that made him the man he is today. Rowan has already completed a full

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, and there were surely hundred if not thousands of choices that lead him to being the person he is now.

For Alexia being kidnapped and help prisoner by demons is also an exceptional situation. This could be her inciting incident, her call to adventure if you will. She is still early in her journey but there are already seeds that show she could develop into a great woman, but whether she will or not depends on a mixture of luck and her own choices (our choices) just as it did for Rowan.

On a related note, if I recall correctly the developers have mentioned that they hadn't originally intended for Alexia to have such a large part in the story. She was mostly there to act as the inciting incident for Rowan, and for the NTR tag. But due to her popularity among the fan base her role in the story has grown and as such they want to give her more relevancy and agency in the story. However I suspect it will be a while before we see a lot of progress for her, they are currently focusing on other character arcs at the moment (Luirial, X'zaratl, and Cla-min as of the last

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update), and Alexia will probably be the biggest one when they get to her because they said they want to give her an arc for each of her castle jobs.

Anyone else having an issue getting the scene with Alexia and Andras at the start? When Rowan gets back from week 1 I get no choices for not sneaking out or telling her to do it with Andras. Rowan just shows up of his own accord and he tells her the truth and she gets angry and calls the night with Andras off. Did they change how this works or is the guide giving me info without the context of "The second time" or something?

The beginning has been getting reworked (and is still in progress as per the last update). Likely to try and give Alexia more agency (see above), they have reworked the scene. Rowan will now always sneak out to see her, but instead of Rowan making the decision on where or not she should have sex with Andras, instead Alexia has the option to hate-fuck him when he comes to visit her, but to trigger this she has to have expressed interest in taking him up on his offer in their previous encounter.

 

[360 Danny DeVitos Later]

HeyA360 Not sure how long ago you played- but basically in the last two updates -->

Additional Cla-min narrative has been a nice change of pace from the usual oppression vibes you get in the game while playing on Rowan's side. Also the art was super-hot. Sommie's goblins are really exceptional.

The Liurial narrative is particularly compelling. So many vibes- so many options. Rowan x Jezera banter is often exceptional- and Liurial is adorable. You can fully explore the route without any sexuality as well which is rather nice as an option.

Draith's arc was also very well done. Not sure when you last played but it was basically finished out for Act1. Again, you can fully explore the route without being sexual, which I appreciate.

The art for Draith will take awhile to get done since gay content doesn't do very well in the patreon CG polls.

I'm guessing both the Cla-Min and Liurial arcs will have a finale this or the next release and should get their art relatively soon after that based on patreon voting. If you wait until March for another play-through I suspect you should get them in their full glory.

Lots of updated Hel art has been added- but the narrative content hasn't been worked on yet.

Thanks that's got me exited to play again. It's been a while since I actually played think late 2020 or early 21! I'll give it another run through, love Liurial and Cla-Min (agreed goblin in this are drawn really well) so be cool to see whats happened with them since I last played.

 

[Big Green]

To be fair, Rowan was one just some plain simple farm boy as well. He wasn't born a war hero or a great general. He was just some nobody that was thrown in an exceptional situation and was lucky enough to survive long enough to discover and build the talents that made him the man he is today. Rowan has already completed a full

You must be registered to see the links

, and there were surely hundred if not thousands of choices that lead him to being the person he is now.

For Alexia being kidnapped and help prisoner by demons is also an exceptional situation. This could be her inciting incident, her call to adventure if you will. She is still early in her journey but there are already seeds that show she could develop into a great woman, but whether she will or not depends on a mixture of luck and her own choices (our choices) just as it did for Rowan.

On a related note, if I recall correctly the developers have mentioned that they hadn't originally intended for Alexia to have such a large part in the story. She was mostly there to act as the inciting incident for Rowan, and for the NTR tag. But due to her popularity among the fan base her role in the story has grown and as such they want to give her more relevancy and agency in the story. However I suspect it will be a while before we see a lot of progress for her, they are currently focusing on other character arcs at the moment (Luirial, X'zaratl, and Cla-min as of the last

You must be registered to see the links

update), and Alexia will probably be the biggest one when they get to her because they said they want to give her an arc for each of her castle jobs.


The beginning has been getting reworked (and is still in progress as per the last update). Likely to try and give Alexia more agency (see above), they have reworked the scene. Rowan will now always sneak out to see her, but instead of Rowan making the decision on where or not she should have sex with Andras, instead Alexia has the option to hate-fuck him when he comes to visit her, but to trigger this she has to have expressed interest in taking him up on his offer in their previous encounter.

Well to be fair Rowan had to be cunning and having strong will all his life, i know his origin is the same, but their personalities are different. Not everyone born in the village can become a hero. So yes he was different before war, but he had seeds (of chaos xd) planted into him when he was conceived, to become what he is now. Alexia on the other hand is very simple, naive and generally a good girl. I don't know, but i won't buy it if she becomes some kind of powerful dark lord (just because). You can corrupt her all you want, but still she is being secluded in the castle. A little different circumstances in my opinion with Rowan's change of life. She is still being treated like a house plant ( and i don't think she has so much freedom now, just like she had no freedom before in the village). So her drastic change shall be only in behaviour and maybe in appearance in my opinion, her innate talents should stay the same. And that's why they are trying to give her at least something to make her somewhat special and important (her latent magic talent).

 

[Oriandu]

Just because the path is not obvious it does not mean it is not there. Alexia may play a subordinate character for now, but every lead villain is a supporting character. Sauron didn't wake up one morning on his very own and say "I'm going to be a morgul lord", he was first a servant of Melkor. Kefka wasn't the big bad from go, he started as a failed research experiment and eventual jester to Emperor Gestahl. That's not to say she'll ever rise up to be a big bad, but the more you say "I don't see it." the more you won't let yourself see it.

 

[Big Green]

Just because the path is not obvious it does not mean it is not there. Alexia may play a subordinate character for now, but every lead villain is a supporting character. Sauron didn't wake up one morning on his very own and say "I'm going to be a morgul lord", he was first a servant of Melkor. Kefka wasn't the big bad from go, he started as a failed research experiment and eventual jester to Emperor Gestahl. That's not to say she'll ever rise up to be a big bad, but the more you say "I don't see it." the more you won't let yourself see it.

I didn't say Alexia won't change at all. She can become something more of course but not something so drastic. Sauron being under Melkor doesn't make him weak and useless like Alexia. He was born a Maiar. So yes he was always fucking powerful and had what it takes to become the dark lord himself. It is just kind on doubtful to call everything Rowan achieved in the war pure luck. Maybe it was somewhat lucky, but it was also his personnal skillset that made it possible.

 

[diebesgrab]

It must be gratifying to have all these Tolkien comparisons going on all the time in the thread dedicated to your porn game on a filthy pirate site.

 

[gamingdevil800]

It must be gratifying to have all these Tolkien comparisons going on all the time in the thread dedicated to your porn game on a filthy pirate site.

This is why Tolkien cancelled his planned sequel novel to The Lord Of The Rings

 

[pallisade_walls]

I personally cannot wait until I can kill the twins and take the kingdom for myself, they're infuriatingly worthless.