VN Ren'Py Seeking Closure [v0.8] [Captain Crystallo]

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Seeking Closure [v0.8] [Captain Crystallo] - Update only

Universal: v0.7.1 -> v0.8 [1,27 GB]

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Universal Compressed: v0.7.1 -> v0.8 [460 MB]

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[marvelfreak3000]

And of course, the only MILF in the game is not one of the main love interests. Stay Classy.

 

[Tomy75]

As for the forced girlfriend, starting the game with her as your girlfriend will be made optional instead of mandatory, but that hasn't been implemented yet. That change will be made in the final version of Part 1 that I plan to put up on Steam.

Is this a choice we will have in chapter 9 or will we have to restart the game from chapter 1 if we don't want Julia as a forced girlfriend?

 

[Captain Crystallo]

Is this a choice we will have in chapter 9 or will we have to restart the game from chapter 1 if we don't want Julia as a forced girlfriend?

I want to make it a choice either in Chapter 9 or at the start of Part 2 for those who want to continue their old saves. Obviously, having Julia go from girlfriend to friend in Part 2 will feel immersion-breaking for people who don't replay the game from the start, but that option will be there for people who want it and want save their time.

 

[Tomy75]

Spoiler: Major Chapter 8 spoilers

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I think the rape part could have been avoided, the trauma would still be there if she was almost raped. You went too far in my opinion, it does not sit well with the style of your visual novel. Btw, please ask for the "rape" tag to be added, that's important.

 

[Captain Crystallo]

I think the rape part could have been avoided, the trauma would still be there if she was almost raped. You went too far in my opinion, it does not sit well with the style of your visual novel. Btw, please ask for the "rape" tag to be added, that's important.

Thank you for your input.

It's something I've been heavily pondering myself when writing the script, and I might change it both here and for the Steam release. As you said, the events are traumatic enough on their own without going that far. It arguably doesn't add enough to the story (despite probably being more realistic) while potentially rubbing a lot of players the wrong way.

Edited the tags to reflect what is currently in the game, thank you.

 

[MixQQ]

The most shocking part was potential Elena death. It's fucking rare to see literally main LI and childhood friend to be killed and out of the game forever! damn...

 

[Ruppubhai]

Wth man.......After all the careful decisions I took I only get to chose 1 girl ..... Rape scene could have been avoided, maybe some visible scars because of physical altercation at most. I get it not every game should have harem ending but there could have been an option for it. I mean so many beautiful girls...just wasted. This update just left a very bitter taste for me.

 

[Captain Crystallo]

Wth man.......After all the careful decisions I took I only get to chose 1 girl ..... Rape scene could have been avoided, maybe some visible scars because of physical altercation at most. I get it not every game should have harem ending but there could have been an option for it. I mean so many beautiful girls...just wasted. This update just left a very bitter taste for me.

I'll consider editing the scene to make it less brutal. It does start to seem like it's too much for many players.

As for the "wasted" decisions, that's not necessarily the case.

Spoiler: Love interests in Part 2

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[MiltonPowers]

Wth man.......After all the careful decisions I took I only get to chose 1 girl . I get it not every game should have harem ending but there could have been an option for it. I mean so many beautiful girls...just wasted. This update just left a very bitter taste for me.

The Dev announced over 2 years ago that it wasn't a harem game.

 

[artofwar]

Thank you for your input.

It's something I've been heavily pondering myself when writing the script, and I might change it both here and for the Steam release. As you said, the events are traumatic enough on their own without going that far. It arguably doesn't add enough to the story (despite probably being more realistic) while potentially rubbing a lot of players the wrong way.

Edited the tags to reflect what is currently in the game, thank you.

I've sat on it for a week or so now, but yeah, have to agree, I'm not sure it's really necessary. LI's being raped (or almost) is not exactly the most palatable thing. LI's being killed off isn't, either.

The fact that they were kidnapped, roughed up and the other person they were imprisoned with was murdered would leave them with enough trauma to push the story forward without going all DPC on us.

 

[DeadpoolandWolverine]

does any one no if the next update might be the finally ?

 

[Captain Crystallo]

I've sat on it for a week or so now, but yeah, have to agree, I'm not sure it's really necessary. LI's being raped (or almost) is not exactly the most palatable thing. LI's being killed off isn't, either.

The fact that they were kidnapped, roughed up and the other person they were imprisoned with was murdered would leave them with enough trauma to push the story forward without going all DPC on us.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts as well. Seems like everyone is leaning in the same direction in their feedback.
I'll think about how to soften up the edges, but obviously that won't change the experience for everyone who has already downloaded and played\is playing the game.

I guess seeing so much death in the last three years fucked up my perception of reality more than I realized.

 

[Ragnar]

I'll consider editing the scene to make it less brutal. It does start to seem like it's too much for many players.

As for the "wasted" decisions, that's not necessarily the case.

Spoiler: Love interests in Part 2

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I don't think that scene is bad for an adult game.
Show don't tell.

 

[Captain Crystallo]

I don't think that scene is bad for an adult game.
Show don't tell.

That was my line of thinking at the time (and I had an even more violent version of the scene written at the draft stage), but if even people who really like my project feel like I went too far, then I should probably reconsider some things.

Or maybe I should do what I did at the end of Chapter 7 and have the player decide how much they want to "see", although I'm not currently sure how to do that without disrupting the flow of the story.

 

[Ragnar]

That was my line of thinking at the time (and I had an even more violent version of the scene written at the draft stage), but if even people who really like my project feel like I went too far, then I should probably reconsider some things.

Or maybe I should do what I did at the end of Chapter 7 and have the player decide how much they want to "see", although I'm not currently sure how to do that without disrupting the flow of the story.

You can use a switch at the begining to play a censored/uncensored version or something like that.
That way you have both, your own vision and a toned down violence version for some players.

 

[Captain Crystallo]

You can use a switch at the begining to play a censored/uncensored version or something like that.
That way you have both, your own vision and a toned down violence version for some players.

That is probably the way to go. Thank you for your advice.

 

[artofwar]

I don't think that scene is bad for an adult game.
Show don't tell.

Which one? Because there are a few variations. It isn't that it's bad. It isn't that it's especially traumatic for the player or anything like that, there's definitely *way* rougher shit out there. It's that asking people to get attached to LI's (whether you're on their route at that moment or not) only to then have them get raped and/or murdered doesn't really fit the rest of the game and I can't imagine that the typical player who enjoys the game up until that point will be the same type of player that will be thrilled to continue past that point. Though IDK, I could be wrong there.

Adding the old "skippable but not avoidable" isn't going to really help all that much there, at that point you may as well just leave it as is. I don't know that adding more branches to the ?4? that were there with that scene alone is a great idea either lol.

I guess it just depends on what tone you want to set for the remainder of the VN, is it one where LI's are disposable - don't get attached because shit's going to get rough? Or is it just that you want a traumatic catalyst to kick off some headfeels for the characters so that the present makes more sense going forward?

 

[Captain Crystallo]

Which one? Because there are a few variations. It isn't that it's bad. It isn't that it's especially traumatic for the player or anything like that, there's definitely *way* rougher shit out there. It's that asking people to get attached to LI's (whether you're on their route at that moment or not) only to then have them get raped and/or murdered doesn't really fit the rest of the game and I can't imagine that the typical player who enjoys the game up until that point will be the same type of player that will be thrilled to continue past that point. Though IDK, I could be wrong there.

Adding the old "skippable but not avoidable" isn't going to really help all that much there, at that point you may as well just leave it as is. I don't know that adding more branches to the ?4? that were there with that scene alone is a great idea either lol.

I guess it just depends on what tone you want to set for the remainder of the VN, is it one where LI's are disposable - don't get attached because shit's going to get rough? Or is it just that you want a traumatic catalyst to kick off some headfeels for the characters so that the present makes more sense going forward?

Well, that's the tricky part for me. As I couldn't previously know (and even now it's hard to say) how players would react and how many of them would drop the game after that. There being a murder at the resort, and this whole situation being traumatic for the MC was mentioned from the very first chapter, but obviously, that doesn't mean what the players got is what they expected.

I don't think making a poll "Will you stop playing the game if X happens (but it's avoidable)?" would help much either.

As for the tone, it will continue to shift, going from the more somber moments after Chapter 8 to a more "tranquil" atmosphere in Part 2 that will allow for different relationship stories to play out before the story crescendos again at the end. However, the main purpose behind this event is definitely to explain why the MC eventually ended up being in the headspace that Julia found him in. Is death\rape necessary to push him to that point? The answer to that will very much depend on who you're asking.

 

[MiltonPowers]

Well, that's the tricky part for me. As I couldn't previously know (and even now it's hard to say) how players would react and how many of them would drop the game after that. There being a murder at the resort, and this whole situation being traumatic for the MC was mentioned from the very first chapter, but obviously, that doesn't mean what the players got is what they expected.

I don't think making a poll "Will you stop playing the game if X happens (but it's avoidable)?" would help much either.

As for the tone, it will continue to shift, going from the more somber moments after Chapter 8 to a more "tranquil" atmosphere in Part 2 that will allow for different relationship stories to play out before the story crescendos again at the end. However, the main purpose behind this event is definitely to explain why the MC eventually ended up being in the headspace that Julia found him in. Is death\rape necessary to push him to that point? The answer to that will very much depend on who you're asking.

Just to give a different perspective, I was happy with the way you presented it (happy is not quite the right word, but hopefully you know what I mean). I care about the journey and the romantic development with LI or LIs I choose on that path. If it's emotional and hard hitting, then the journey becomes even more meaningful.

I knew from the very start that a murder was going to happen, not who obviously, but I knew that it would be someone close. The state MC starts in, it was not going to be a random stranger. There is no way it was going to be someone like the barista (Jeremy?). It was going to be someone who he cared about.

I think I said in an earlier post that Chapter 8 really explained a lot of the earlier stuff and connected it all together (a lot closer than before anyway). I now understand why MC was so depressed and why we discovered him like that in Chapter 1, and the journey he has had to undertake to get mentally right again.

Just my 20c, but not everyone is disappointed with how it was done.