Identify Sidescroller/metroidvania made by beebee工房? (answer - Revenge of Yagiri)

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Buziol

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Did you feel the irresistible urge to tag someone as a "clown"?
Not tag someone, just the take. Try to not take everything personally. If someone does something stupid, funny or cool, it doesn't mean they are stupid, funny or cool right? :D

My comment simply pointed the facts of what we got now, to give anyone reading a rough idea of what to expect content-wise and added a workaround for an aforementioned inconvenience.
Cool, I get that...and I "simply" provided a more fleshed out situation to that.

I didn't even try to put one above the other, something you felt tempted to do ("yagiri is simple, sekiren has progression") but ultimately chickened out of by just saying "both win".
This is the reason I'm even replying:
1.) Stating "something is simpler" is not putting one above the other. Sometime less is more, sometimes more is more. Overcomplication is a bad thing + there's limited pool of resources for any project (look 2nd point).

2.) No one chickened out by saying "both win". Please, read slow and carefully.
It was "In the end, both games will be winners but with a vastly different focus and may not appeal to the same people". There's a difference here, see?
This is in no way an untrue or irrelevant statement because everyone and their mother can see that effort is put into something else for both games. And that effort is not "free resource" but something taken out of something else. Sekiren seems to forgo h-stuff diversity for more fluid combat system + progression system (let's call it that for now because it is still in its infancy)...which has its downsides and is already a thing to consider at this point (people may not like the different combat system).

As a matter of fact, nobody can tell what will become of either for certain, so any related comments are ultimately inconsequential.
That is true for about 70% of the stuff on this forum. It is going into lines of "life is meaningless, let's just stop breathing" xD
 
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Not tag someone, just the take. Try to not take everything personally. -
Taking responsibility is a sign of maturity. You quote and directly address me in underlined bold characters but now chicken back out once again trying to put it as some abstract observation. Perhaps you aren't used to people countering your long winded jabs? Now you will be.
This is the reason I'm even replying:
Your reply is a clear defense of sekiren, putting up arguments like time of development, art direction, gameplay mechanics, smoother animations, etc., going far as proposing a pointless "even comparison". What for? You even label it as "more interesting".
2.) No one chickened out by saying "both win". Please, read slow and carefully.
Yes you did, and still do.
This is in no way an untrue or irrelevant statement because everyone and their mother can see that effort is put into something else for both games.-
Nobody can "see" anything, you're going on and taking your own assumptions as facts. We are not there to witness what devs are doing, how they are doing it and what would their plans be; both games are also at very rough stages. All we have are the current previews, and it's up to us to check and decide if we like it or not.
That is true for about 70% of the stuff on this forum.
Strawman fallacy. Our activities here, relevant or not, are circumscribed to a context, in this case, Yagiri. Your guesses at sekiren's future add nothing against my argument.

At this point I guess chickening out is a trait of yours, so let me simplify things: A better reply to my point would have been
"Sekiren has less content but better quality and a lot of potential, I like it better and recommend it"
This would have been 100% true (assuming you like sekiren better), giving actual insight to readers about a fairly similar game and directly addressing my point in a concise way.

Since someone else asked, perhaps you saw my no pooping/no clowning signature and tried to pull a smart move?
First of all, that signature is a reference to a funny episode that happened with a different dev of a different game years ago. People in that game's thread will understand it.
I have no recollection of ever accusing anyone here of a "clown event"; I have no need of putting others down.
Perhaps it was someone else who took things personally? :coffee:
 

Buziol

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Taking responsibility is a sign of maturity. You quote and directly address me in underlined bold characters but now chicken back out once again trying to put it as some abstract observation. Perhaps you aren't used to people countering your long winded jabs? Now you will be.

Your reply is a clear defense of sekiren, putting up arguments like time of development, art direction, gameplay mechanics, smoother animations, etc., going far as proposing a pointless "even comparison". What for? You even label it as "more interesting".

Yes you did, and still do.

Nobody can "see" anything, you're going on and taking your own assumptions as facts. We are not there to witness what devs are doing, how they are doing it and what would their plans be; both games are also at very rough stages. All we have are the current previews, and it's up to us to check and decide if we like it or not.

Strawman fallacy. Our activities here, relevant or not, are circumscribed to a context, in this case, Yagiri. Your guesses at sekiren's future add nothing against my argument.

At this point I guess chickening out is a trait of yours, so let me simplify things: A better reply to my point would have been
"Sekiren has less content but better quality and a lot of potential, I like it better and recommend it"
This would have been 100% true (assuming you like sekiren better), giving actual insight to readers about a fairly similar game and directly addressing my point in a concise way.

Since someone else asked, perhaps you saw my no pooping/no clowning signature and tried to pull a smart move?
First of all, that signature is a reference to a funny episode that happened with a different dev of a different game years ago. People in that game's thread will understand it.
I have no recollection of ever accusing anyone here of a "clown event"; I have no need of putting others down.
Perhaps it was someone else who took things personally? :coffee:
Ok, since I see you are way too eager to keep the "chicken out" argument here, have it your way.
I'll now chicken out to prove your point :)

BTW, I haven't read your signature. It is a coincidence, if a funny one xD
 
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