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Most femdom things will be in the game, but needs time. Eve is more vanilla femdom type. Do you want something specific to suggest?
i would be happy if it isnt just bossing a bit around Bondage is great body worship her having slaves maybe pain play would be sad if her tying someone up and riding him would be the most extrem femdom aspect of the game you could put chastity in or sissyfication cuckold but that all depends on where you want to go with the game im happy as long it is actually femdom
 
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i would be happy if it isnt just bossing a bit around Bondage is great body worship her having slaves maybe pain play would be sad if her tying someone up and riding him would be the most extrem femdom aspect of the game you could put chastity in or sissyfication cuckold but that all depends on where you want to go with the game im happy as long it is actually femdom
I will have that in my mind. You have some non-femdom optional choices but it's core is femdom and will stay like this.
 

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The most important Thing is that you Tell the Story you want to tell
Yes, i want to have dynamic story. Constantly things happened and progress the plot naturally. This my biggest complaint from a lot of this type of games. Even if they are sexy the plot always are there only to support sex scenes and there is no story. Maybe for some that's enough, but I personally thinking what's the difference then from a game and a clastic porn clip if there is no story? I want to try to fix that it in my game. I hope i will do it well.
 

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but I personally thinking what's the difference then from a game and a clastic porn clip if there is no story?
The difference is that the porn clip does have the more realistic character models and backgrounds ;) .
Absolutely true, the story is the most important.

But just for the record, of course, if someone likes extreme angles or extreme sex (tentacle monsters, men with 50cm dicks and women with ballon-sized boobs), there is a minimal advantage on the Daz3D versus regular porn :D . But I could not care less and even the most advanced visuals in a porn game feel dull after a few seconds for me if there is not at least a little story.
 
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The difference is that the porn clip does have the more realistic character models and backgrounds ;) .
Absolutely true, the story is the most important.

But just for the record, of course, if someone likes extreme angles or extreme sex (tentacle monsters, men with 50cm dicks and women with ballon-sized boobs), there is a minimal advantage on the Daz3D versus regular porn :D . But I could not care less and even the most advanced visuals in a porn game feel dull after a few seconds for me if there is not at least a little story.
“The story is the most important” ? In a porn game? LoL
It’s important in the sense that it inspires creativity for the dev but nobody comes to F95 expecting Lord of the Rings, and I certainly don’t care what happens to some fictional fashion agency. But the models are hot and they look good in the various outfits so I’m lookin forward to the next update :)
 
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“The story is the most important” ? In a porn game? LoL
It’s important in the sense that it inspires creativity for the dev but nobody comes to F95 expecting Lord of the Rings, and I certainly don’t care what happens to some fictional fashion agency. But the models are hot and they look good in the various outfits so I’m lookin forward to the next update :)
Even before I become a creator I cared about the story. Of course i want sexy models and good quality, but if it's only that you can see a good 3D porn clip (In my opinion). The story can make a sex scene much more intense. But let's not fight, I try to provide both :)

Btw: You don't expect Lord of the rings from no one cause this epic miracle happened only once.
 
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“The story is the most important” ? In a porn game? LoL
It’s important in the sense that it inspires creativity for the dev but nobody comes to F95 expecting Lord of the Rings, and I certainly don’t care what happens to some fictional fashion agency. But the models are hot and they look good in the various outfits so I’m lookin forward to the next update :)
It's right but it's possible to have a nice story with good plot , I'm not complaint at all.... why you can't have both ? ;) Especially with VN , otherwise if story is boring , some peoples rush all the game with frenetical click on the mousse .....just to have porn scene . and it's sad to play like this ,in my point of view .
 
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It's right but it's possible to have a nice story with good plot , I'm not complaint at all.... why you can't have both ? ;) Especially with VN , otherwise if story is boring , some peoples rush all the game with frenetical click on the mousse .....just to have porn scene . and it's sad to play like this ,in my point of view .
I like this game but even so I clicked through most of the dialog. Did I miss anything? LoL
 
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I like this game but even so I clicked through most of the dialog. Did I miss anything? LoL
It depend what is your attempt , everyones have his taste , for me the answer is "Yes Absolutely" I love so mutch the personality of Evelyn , she is like Monica in "fashion business" in certain way.... strong will and determination the character do anything to reach her goal and I love this kind of stuff . and I want to see mutch more from now to see her reach vengeance . :p
 
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“The story is the most important” ? In a porn game? LoL
Yes, for real. That is exactly what I ment. What is the most important for you in a porn VN?

As said above, if I just wanted the best visuals and the most beautiful girls, I would watch real porn in 4k.

But I want to experience one or two things that I cannot have in porn nor real life. One option is: I want to feel like someone else. I want to be someone that seduces, is seduces, is corrupted or corrupts, feels like a hero or a looser - as it is with most regular games.
The other option is: I want to experience the inner self and thoughts of the protagonists. A artificial girl that spreads her legs: boring! But being able to get a grasp of her mind and understand why she does it, how she feels, how she enjoys and suffers, that's hot. And it is not even hurting anyone, so you can leave out morality (I would not even want any porn star suffer the things I like in an adult VN).

And as well as your Lord of the Rings example: If this is written believable(!), than such a game is one of the hottest things in the world you cannot get anywhere else.

That said: Yes, of course, I have to relativise this: A good porn story with extremly ugly artificial models is even less sexy than an erotic novel without any visuals. And good visuals do add a lot to a good story, but the primacy for me is still the story.
And of course, the scale and focus on a good porn game and a good ("real life") novel is different. But hey, if there were some people being able to do something like Lord of the Rings in Porn, why not?! And the games I like even get this done to some extend. Our Red String would have a boring story if not for the very believable characters and their interactions. Depraved Awakening is like an old crime movie with mobsters and stuff. And the crown juwel of writing is Theater of Sinners - it could almost be a psycological study and the creator captures the inner monologue perfectly in the facial expressions of the protagonists.

I have not played Sin Heels yet (because I want to wait until there is more story (!) in order to savor it better, but the comments from Hera are very promising. They show that she tries to give a good experience storywise. At least, it has a unique point of view (female dominance executed by one self) and this is also a story aspect.
Tell me, am I expecting too much?

EDIT: I should add: Of course, you are free to enjoy what fits you most. The above is just my evaluation. And yes, in the heat of the moment, even I might fast forward through some dialogue :D . But in a good game, it is the dialogue that finally gets me off most of the time and otherwise, I do read it afterwards :D .
 
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Yes, for real. That is exactly what I ment. What is the most important for you in a porn VN?


I have not played Sin Heels yet (because I want to wait until there is more story (!) in order to savor it better, but the comments from Hera are very promising. They show that she tries to give a good experience storywise. At least, it has a unique point of view (female dominance executed by one self) and this is also a story aspect.
Tell me, am I expecting too much?

EDIT: I should add: Of course, you are free to enjoy what fits you most. The above is just my evaluation. And yes, in the heat of the moment, even I might fast forward through some dialogue :D . But in a good game, it is the dialogue that finally gets me off most of the time and otherwise, I do read it afterwards :D .
I would like very much to hear your what you have to say after you play it cause I see very interesting and clear opinions here, that I totally agree. I cannot tell you if you expecting too much. I can tell that I am a screenwriter and I am try my best to apply the rules of professional screenwriting at my game and same thing with lighting as a photographer. I do my best, I hope to meet your standards.
 
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Just my opinion of coarse but to me the “Setting” of a porn game, the where and why it happens, is very important. The actual ”Story“ and seemingly endless dialog that often goes with it maybe not so much. I usually skip that stuff.
 

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Just my opinion of coarse but to me the “Setting” of a porn game, the where and why it happens, is very important. The actual ”Story“ and seemingly endless dialog that often goes with it maybe not so much. I usually skip that stuff.
If you enjoy the game like this , Is up to you don't worry , no judgement here .... just answer your question and argue a little with you dude . ;)
 

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If you enjoy the game like this , Is up to you don't worry , no judgement here .... just answer your question and argue a little with you dude . ;)
No problem, I’m not worried. I have similar discussions on standard game forums where folk get all into the “lore” and I’m like “We’re shooting at space aliens fer Chrissakes” LoL
 

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No problem, I’m not worried. I have similar discussions on standard game forums where folk get all into the “lore” and I’m like “We’re shooting at space aliens fer Chrissakes” LoL
Just to take some feedback, do you skip or read the dialogues in sex scenes?
 

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Just my opinion of coarse but to me the “Setting” of a porn game, the where and why it happens, is very important. The actual ”Story“ and seemingly endless dialog that often goes with it maybe not so much. I usually skip that stuff.
Maybe we are not that opposite to each other. At least, I have experienced that there are some VNs out there that "try" to make an interesting story but fail at it. What you get is endless blubber with strange plots, unbelievable characters and just boring and crappy text.
But we seem to differ that you can ignore this and just enjoy the view while I get thrown off by it. For Example Esra In ... has a refreshing setting, but was way to unrealistic.
And you don't seem to have found a adult VN with a story you also love. Just out of curiosity: Do you enjoy literature when it is not about porn? Totally ok if you don't, but maybe this is an easy explaination for it.
When I red a good book, I often feel sad for "parting" from the characters I learned to care for. And in some completed porn games, it feels the same.
 

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Just to take some feedback, do you skip or read the dialogues in sex scenes?
To be honest I can’t remember, so I guess that means no. I do recall that the domme female MC was trying to get promoted by the male owner of the agency but the details are kinda sketchy. Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t feel like I missed much. If this were a real life story I wouldn’t care much either. Some hot chick fucked a guy and now she wants a promotion. What else is new?
 
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I would like very much to hear your what you have to say after you play it cause I see very interesting and clear opinions here, that I totally agree.
Thanks for you kind words. Actually, two thinks are keeping me from playing. First is, if your game is as good as I hope: I find it hard to bear to wait for the next update. I have a rather bad memory and am playing too many games simultaneously. They sometimes get mixed in my mind after some weeks of not playing. After a long awaited update, you need time to get into them again and then you have forgotten all the small details that were so nice before. warrenitro has an advantage over me in this regard :) .
Second is: I really don't know if your setting is my kink. A somewhat powerful woman that seduces and uses men. It is very unique and refreshing, but I am wondering if I will see myself as her, or as the men she uses or...
But yeah, I should stop whining :D . You piqued my interest, I will play it tomorrow :) .

Just one question out of curiosity beforehand: Is there a certain reason Mark Sar and Maraya Shar have so unusual and easily to mixup names? In contrast to them, Evelyn seems to be such a usual name.

I can tell that I am a screenwriter and I am try my best to apply the rules of professional screenwriting at my game and same thing with lighting as a photographer. I do my best, I hope to meet your standards.
Sounds like the perfect combination for a visual novel where you can do what you want without obeying to any producer, commercial-partner :) .
 
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