VN Ren'Py Single Again [v1.24.3] [Clever name games]

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Trikus

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Jace_Herondale said:
Yes, but it's like complaining about science in a Marvel movie. You don't want realsm in that kind of thing
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Correction: YOU don't want realism in a porn game, and there is nothing wrong with that. Each of us have our own likes and dislikes. I personally like a bit of realism. It helps keep a story grounded. There are a lot of games where I liked the premise of but when the game did stupid unrealistic shit, I dropped and moved on, like 23 Sisters. I dropped that after about 10 minutes of play because the story was ridiculous. The reason I liked this game is CNG wanted to explore the concept of an incest game but have the MC be a true family man, and not a total pervert that has been lusting for the girls. There are loads of games like that out there if you want that. The realism works in that scenario. If he said "Well, I never had any inappropriate thoughts for girls I consider to be my kids, but, now that my divorce is finalized, its time to fuck them." it just wouldn't have worked.
 
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I leave the thread for a little while and everything goes to hell in a handbasket. I mean, what the fuck is this shit :giggle: :LOL: :ROFLMAO:

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This has always been a weird VN but I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
 
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NewTricks said:
I leave the thread for a little while and everything goes to hell in a handbasket. I mean, what the fuck is this shit :giggle: :LOL: :ROFLMAO:

This has always been a weird VN but I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
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she gets to use that with lilly or dblteaming lilly when frank fucks lilly. in fantasy game frank fucks both and lilly or was it abby gets dblld.
 
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cxx said:
she gets to use that with lilly or dblteaming lilly when frank fucks lilly. in fantasy game frank fucks both and lilly or was it abby gets dblld.
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If you mean in the Halloween special, the Oxton sisters are DP'ing Abby when Frank comes in, but Lilly soon tires and Frank takes her place in Abby's ass, double-teaming her with Becca. ;)
 
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Now that we've reached this page, we may need to call St. Frank for an exorcism - or possibly just threaten to turn Shannunt loose here, as it seems we're getting a visit from:
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Yeah - Shannunt would probably scare him off.
 
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Trikus said:
You don't get to choose everything. Did you get the choice to divorce Shannon? Did you get the choice to marry Jessica and adopt Abby? Did you get the choice to reject Nessa and Beth as customers? Did you get the choice to exclude Mei from the entire game? Did you get the choice to not get the apartment for Lilly and Becca? Did you get the choice to not sleep in the bed with Abby all the way through the game? Games do give you choices, but they also have to force some things to keep the narrative going. The dev is the story teller and he is including the content he wants. If you don't like it, nobody is forcing you to play it.



If you don't like lesbian content, don't download a game with the lesbian tag. You are slapping yourself in the face.


You still get told the content is there. I personally don't want to see vore games, even if it is one scene in a 50 hour story. If I see it tagged, I don't download it and don't visit the comments to moan about it. I take responsibility for my choices and don't cry about it constantly in the game thread.


Back up your saves, then delete the persistant data. That might fix it for you.
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You're missing the point man the points you made are story pillars (there is definitely an official term for it), marrying Shannon, adopting Abby ext are story pillars, the setting, the premise I can go on and on it's like going in a detective game complaining about why he's a detective and why he's not a sergeant, or like the 50 different collage life games, do you get to pick the collage in the game? no you are just plopped in. If the dev can give 50 different choices on weather MC fucks someone missionary or doggy then give me the choice if I want to know a love interest messing around with another character. This whole thing wouldnt even be a hot take if either abby or lilith was a dude, Say hypothetically Abby is a guy and Lilith was messing about with him, i dont even need to say anything the pitchforks are already at hand. Also whats this about hating lesbian content, i love that shit, beth and nessa are chill af. Alos the MC supporting abby and lilith also makes sense for his character of over protective dad, i dont have any issues with that, But Abby is one of the main characters i want choices of if i want to hear everything she does while sleeping with some one. Not wanting to hear about Abby's sexcapades makes sense
 
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i guess the dev doesn't look at this site since each update, Frank is written more annoying than the previous update. fuck i want to smack him upside the head. every time someone tells him something, he asks..ARE YOU SURE? like 20 times before he shuts the fuck up about it. how can a dev keep writing such a dipshit in a harem game where girls are literally throwing themselves at him and it takes him 100 renders to stop asking idiot questions. i really hate Frank so much. but i love the girls..:mad:
 
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TsubameYui said:
So, I have my issues with the game, like most people seem to. Most of them have been addressed already, but honestly, my biggest issue is CNG's absolutely atrocious coding skills. 394 individual variables exist, with less than half as many choices existing.

CNG creates 2 individual variables for each binary choice in the game, defaults them both to "0", then sets one of them to "1". He also just numbers the variables, then has to waste time commenting in the code what each variable is for when set, and again whenever it's checked. Could just name the variables a shortened version of the comments, so he doesn't have to constantly comment them.

CNG also uses insane gate chains to check which choices you've made. Instead of just "if picks394 = true then jump blablabla else jump blablabla2", he does shit like "if picks394 = 1 then jump blablabla" "if picks395 = true then jump blablabla2". It doesn't seem like a huge difference, but with so many variables, choices, and checks, it adds up to a ton of extra typing, and a lot more room for errors, of which I've found several on paths where LIs are rejected.

Could just create one variable for each choice, then set it to true or false. In some cases, like the Beth baby batter path, which requires making like 5 or 6 "correct" choices to be chosen, CNG could have just used a single variable, and added one point to it for each correct choice, then just check that the max available points were attained. Instead, he uses another of those insane gate chains at the final conversation, which ends up being like 20 extra lines of code, along with about 11 unnecessary variables, when it could have just been as simple as "if bethbaby = 5 then blablabla else blablabla2".

I just did a run-through where I chose to reject Madison and Tonya, and at some point(didn't dig through to find where yet), the variable "picks255", which the game checks frequently to determine if you have accepted any optional LIs, gets set back to 0. This is the first variable checked when determining if Beth and Nessa choose Frank, and because of that error, even if you make all the correct choices for Beth, if you reject Madison or Tonya(not sure which), the lesbians will not choose Frank.

TLDR: If CNG would learn to code properly, we'd probably get updates twice as fast, since the sloppy coding adds an insane amount of time to production, and causes tons of errors.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
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In my first playthrough, I was completely absorbed by the story, rejected all side LI, and when the MC told Lil at the pool bar that he’d slept with someone besides her and Becca, I was like, "WTF?!?!?" When I checked the game’s code, I was shocked. It turned out the check was bugged (and still isn’t fixed, as far as I know). It triggered based on a choice in the judge’s office that unlocks her daughter’s route (though you can avoid it later). This totally killed the mood, so I switched to using URM and a walkthrough.

I get that you don’t need advanced coding skills to make a Ren’Py game, and I also hate changing things that work. But why, after five years, dev still uses these clunky check chains is beyond me.
 
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Jace_Herondale said:
Yes, but it's like complaining about science in a Marvel movie. You don't want realsm in that kind of thing
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Well, not entirely. But every fictional world is "real unless told otherwise". Houses don't suddenly teleport around, people still have to eat, physics is very much a thing, people still fall in love or hate each other, trees grow - unless specifically noted otherwise as I said. Otherwise the universe of the story would not be understandable.

So yeah, things do not have to be realistic, but it's not all things and it is not random, but what the writer wants to tell. And there is no wrong or right, there is just people like it or they don't, but that's different for different people.
 
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Cartageno said:
Well, not entirely. But every fictional world is "real unless told otherwise". Houses don't suddenly teleport around, people still have to eat, physics is very much a thing, people still fall in love or hate each other, trees grow - unless specifically noted otherwise as I said. Otherwise the universe of the story would not be understandable.

So yeah, things do not have to be realistic, but it's not all things and it is not random, but what the writer wants to tell. And there is no wrong or right, there is just people like it or they don't, but that's different for different people.
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But I would say many rules that apply to rom-coms also does apply to AVNs. Especially when it focused on romance
 
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TsubameYui said:
So, I have my issues with the game, like most people seem to. Most of them have been addressed already, but honestly, my biggest issue is CNG's absolutely atrocious coding skills. 394 individual variables exist, with less than half as many choices existing.

CNG creates 2 individual variables for each binary choice in the game, defaults them both to "0", then sets one of them to "1". He also just numbers the variables, then has to waste time commenting in the code what each variable is for when set, and again whenever it's checked. Could just name the variables a shortened version of the comments, so he doesn't have to constantly comment them.

CNG also uses insane gate chains to check which choices you've made. Instead of just "if picks394 = true then jump blablabla else jump blablabla2", he does shit like "if picks394 = 1 then jump blablabla" "if picks395 = true then jump blablabla2". It doesn't seem like a huge difference, but with so many variables, choices, and checks, it adds up to a ton of extra typing, and a lot more room for errors, of which I've found several on paths where LIs are rejected.

Could just create one variable for each choice, then set it to true or false. In some cases, like the Beth baby batter path, which requires making like 5 or 6 "correct" choices to be chosen, CNG could have just used a single variable, and added one point to it for each correct choice, then just check that the max available points were attained. Instead, he uses another of those insane gate chains at the final conversation, which ends up being like 20 extra lines of code, along with about 11 unnecessary variables, when it could have just been as simple as "if bethbaby = 5 then blablabla else blablabla2".

I just did a run-through where I chose to reject Madison and Tonya, and at some point(didn't dig through to find where yet), the variable "picks255", which the game checks frequently to determine if you have accepted any optional LIs, gets set back to 0. This is the first variable checked when determining if Beth and Nessa choose Frank, and because of that error, even if you make all the correct choices for Beth, if you reject Madison or Tonya(not sure which), the lesbians will not choose Frank.

TLDR: If CNG would learn to code properly, we'd probably get updates twice as fast, since the sloppy coding adds an insane amount of time to production, and causes tons of errors.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
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You forgot the golden rule of giving meaningful names to variables in your code.

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The first time I saw the game code I was facepalming myself so hard... :HideThePain:
 
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