VN Ren'Py Single Again [v1.25.02] [Clever name games]

[1reaper1]

not blackmailing just manipulating frank and girls to achieve her goal.

if you look at the shower scene you could even call it rape as the mc clearly states he does not want any and she still pushes herself onto him.

 

[ArDZer]

Well, Freddy used to sing long time ago, "Fat bottomed girls, you make the rockin' world go round"

Or like that sign Abby bought and put in the kitchen which says: "I love you with all my butt. I would say heart, but my butt is bigger". And she's got plenty of it in that regard.

 

[cxx]

if you look at the shower scene you could even call it rape as the mc clearly states he does not want any and she still pushes herself onto him.

maybe but that's not dev's intention.

 

[rudy007]

Or like that sign Abby bought and put in the kitchen which says: "I love you with all my butt. I would say heart, but my butt is bigger". And she's got plenty of it in that regard.

Yeah, it screams ABBBYYY!!! And I agree, it was impossible for her not to buy it.

 

[ArDZer]

Yeah, it screams ABBBYYY!!! And I agree, it was impossible for her not to buy it.

Or that sweater (or was or a shirt?) she wore at Lily and Becca's new place (and before that Shannon hag appeared in front of her and Frank's place pounding at the door as they were about to get out of the elevator) that said "Thick thighs save lives'. She's got quite the eye for those things. That too made me say "That's Abby alright!"

 

[rudy007]

Or that sweater (or was or a shirt?) she wore at Lily and Becca's new place (and before that Shannon hag appeared in front of her and Frank's place pounding at the door as they were about to get out of the elevator) that said "Thick thighs save lives'. She's got quite the eye for those things. That too made me say "That's Abby alright!"

Lillith bought her that shirt when she was with MC shopping (Lllith got a black dress and a black purse). If I remember correctly.

 

[K.T.L.]

if you look at the shower scene you could even call it rape as the mc clearly states he does not want any and she still pushes herself onto him.

But he's clearly capable of physically pushing her away and chooses not to.

 

[JQuillon]

if you look at the shower scene you could even call it rape as the mc clearly states he does not want any and she still pushes herself onto him.

This is a disturbingly unhinged way of looking at things, tbh. Is she the initiator? Yes? Does she keep pushing even when he says no? Yes. Just as Abby and Lilly do (Abby has no qualms "blackmailing" her own father so that they sleep in the same bed, and rewatch Frank's first time with Lilly--here, too, he says no, but she keeps pushing and they end up fucking). And none of these even remotely constitutes what could be called a rape.

As K.T.L. says, it can't be a "rape" if the "victim" is not threatened in any way, is at least a dozen times stronger than his agressor and can put a stop to it at any time but chooses not to. A rape is something much darker than someone still getting naked after you told them not too when the balance of power is totally in your favor, let's be serious a minute, here.

 

[1reaper1]

But he's clearly capable of physically pushing her away and chooses not to.

most likely due to the threat she poses. one word to her mother and everyones live is fucked he is just not ristiking it

 

[1reaper1]

This is a disturbingly unhinged way of looking at things, tbh. Is she the initiator? Yes? Does she keep pushing even when he says no? Yes. Just as Abby and Lilly do (Abby has no qualms "blackmailing" her own father so that they sleep in the same bed, and rewatch Frank's first time with Lilly--here, too, he says no, but she keeps pushing and they end up fucking). And none of these even remotely constitutes what could be called a rape.

As K.T.L. says, it can't be a "rape" if the "victim" is not threatened in any way, is at least a dozen times stronger than his agressor and can put a stop to it at any time but chooses not to. A rape is something much darker than someone still getting naked after you told them not too when the balance of power is totally in your favor, let's be serious a minute, here.

it is already rape as soon as its against the victems will. there has to be no threat.

 

[cxx]

most likely due to the threat she poses. one word to her mother and everyones live is fucked he is just not ristiking it

she hates her mother even more than frank does.

 

[JQuillon]

it is already rape as soon as its against the victems will. there has to be no threat.

Nope. There's no way a handjob can be construed as a rape, even if Frank was drugged and tied to the bed (or the shower wall, lol). You might argue sexual harassment, sure, or even maybe sexual assault (I mean, what Abby is doing has strong overtones of harassment, for example, and I guess the way Lilly throws herself at Frank the first time could be construed as sexual assault if you were to dismiss all context), but rape means penetrative sex. Frank can't be "raped" if Becca just touches his dick.

Also, if it were really against his will, he would have put a stop to it--nothing prevented him to. But he didn't. Because subconsciously, that's what he desires (and he actually admits it to himself, although he's still in "I can't, she's my daughter" mode).

 

[K.T.L.]

most likely due to the threat she poses. one word to her mother and everyones live is fucked he is just not ristiking it

I knew it, you really are a politician. You're making up ever more complicated narratives to suit your chosen theory. Before long, there'll be an entire novel's worth of plots and subplots carefully woven together to prove that the MC was a weak pathetic little victim and Abby his lifelong tormentor.

 

[ffive]

But he's clearly capable of physically pushing her away and chooses not to.

Being physically capable and mentally capable of doing something are two different things. You could also say that a woman forced to suck on guy's dick "could just bite it off, so if she doesn't then it's not a rape".

Frank is very clearly unable to stand up to his "children" in any manner. They know it and abuse it to get whatever they want, rather than respect his wishes.

 

[K.T.L.]

This is all getting a bit ridiculous. It's fiction folks.

 

[tslojr]

Nope. There's no way a handjob can be construed as a rape, even if Frank was drugged and tied to the bed (or the shower wall, lol). You might argue sexual harassment, sure, or even maybe sexual assault (I mean, what Abby is doing has strong overtones of harassment, for example, and I guess the way Lilly throws herself at Frank the first time could be construed as sexual assault if you were to dismiss all context), but rape means penetrative sex. Frank can't be "raped" if Becca just touches his dick.

Wow, there's a lot wrong with this post. First off:

(Notice the second definition?)

Also,

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According to Canada's Criminal Code in s. 273.1(1),

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, otherwise it is considered sexual assault.

 

[JQuillon]

Wow, there's a lot wrong with this post. First off:
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(Notice the second definition?)

Also,

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According to Canada's Criminal Code in s. 273.1(1),

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, otherwise it is considered sexual assault.

That is... quite interesting. You may wish to check your dictionary, though (or better yet, change dictionaries), as (a) definition 2 contradicts definition 1, which is kind of stupid, and (b) the best/most-widely regarded dictionaries of the English language (Oxford, Meriam-Webster, Collins) all agree that there has to be intercourse for it to be considered a rape (and so do US and British laws, btw).

Also, if Canada has no provisions for rape, then, by definition, it can't be a rape in Canada either.

(But then, I'm sure you'll agree that even a smidgen of common sense should be enough to realize that there is no way that the shower scene can be considered a rape anywhere on Earth or in the known universe.)

 

[tslojr]

That is... quite interesting. You may wish to check your dictionary, though (or better yet, change dictionaries), as (a) definition 2 contradicts definition 1, which is kind of stupid, and (b) the best/most-widely regarded dictionaries of the English language (Oxford, Meriam-Webster, Collins) all agree that there has to be intercourse for it to be considered a rape (and so do US and British laws, btw).

Weird. My copy of Merriam-Webster doesn't say intercourse is required. I must have gotten a misprint.

 

[ffive]

That is... quite interesting. You may wish to check your dictionary, though (or better yet, change dictionaries), as (a) definition 2 contradicts definition 1, which is kind of stupid, and (b) the best/most-widely regarded dictionaries of the English language (Oxford, Meriam-Webster, Collins) all agree that there has to be intercourse for it to be considered a rape (and so do US and British laws, btw).

Note, these are just definitions of the word, which include how it's used by people. Having various uses contradict one another isn't exactly unusual -- consider how "literally" gets abused in sentences, e.g.

For what's worth, the legal definition(s) of rape match the 1st quoted definition. The others are more or less figures of speech.

 

[c3p0]

That is... quite interesting. You may wish to check your dictionary, though (or better yet, change dictionaries), as (a) definition 2 contradicts definition 1, which is kind of stupid, and (b) the best/most-widely regarded dictionaries of the English language (Oxford, Meriam-Webster, Collins) all agree that there has to be intercourse for it to be considered a rape (and so do US and British laws, btw).

Also, if Canada has no provisions for rape, then, by definition, it can't be a rape in Canada either.

(But then, I'm sure you'll agree that even a smidgen of common sense should be enough to realize that there is no way that the shower scene can be considered a rape anywhere on Earth or in the known universe.)

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