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From my perspective Sleepy encountered a few problems.

First, who is the main character ? Is it Nancy or Evie ? At the beginning it was clear that Nancy was the main character of his universe but at times went on Evie just became the centerpiece. Also him using Evie as the main character of his new work kind of prove my point.
In order not to repeat myself, I have already answered this question once.:
https://f95zone.to/threads/sleepygimp-collection-2025-10-13-sleepy-gimp-sleepy.13987/post-14017425

This bring us to the main problem which is the tone of his work. Personally, I did not mind the direction where Sleepy was going, to me it just seems to be the most logical thing to do. You can only go so far with the "Bitch Tandem" raping girls and them forgetting what happened. So, him doing more hardcore BDSM stuff was okay however he had to keep it sexy which he did not do at all in TBAT. 58 pages of Trixie being electrocuted and abused by the pear of anguish was just boring.
I absolutely agree.
On a another note, I suppose you are Russian as I've heard "You cannot throw a word out of a song" in a Russian movie
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Can't remember when but you used an another epxression once which made me think you were Russki. Now where did I heard them before I can't remember, maybe in Brat or Brat 2 by Balabanov.


Is it before or after the conversion into the "computer world"?
I guess it's after, I can't confirm as I found it on discord. I'm not going to subscribe to Sleepy until I'm convinced by his new work, otherwise I'll wait for To Reform A Thief which is probably a year from now
 

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Can't remember when but you used an another epxression once which made me think you were Russki. Now where did I heard them before I can't remember, maybe in Brat or Brat 2 by Balabanov.
I didn't even know that such a niche work was known outside of Russia...
but the soundtracks from these films are considered iconic in Russia.
Some songs music groups were even written specifically for these films.
 

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From my perspective Sleepy encountered a few problems.

First, who is the main character ? Is it Nancy or Evie ? At the beginning it was clear that Nancy was the main character of his universe but at times went on Evie just became the centerpiece. Also him using Evie as the main character of his new work kind of prove my point.

Secondly, his workload. Three comics a month with the poll winner was just too much work.

Then we have like you said "Chemical Cupid" which I will call CC. To be fair, I think CC was introduce by Sleepy to lighten the tone when "breaking" a character's mind. What I mean is, there is a difference between Evie just straight raping someone until they accept being her pet and Evie using CC to make someone completely horny and easier to control. But at the same time like you said it can become a Looney Tunes story at any given time because of it.

This bring us to the main problem which is the tone of his work. Personally, I did not mind the direction where Sleepy was going, to me it just seems to be the most logical thing to do. You can only go so far with the "Bitch Tandem" raping girls and them forgetting what happened. So, him doing more hardcore BDSM stuff was okay however he had to keep it sexy which he did not do at all in TBAT. 58 pages of Trixie being electrocuted and abused by the pear of anguish was just boring.

On a another note, I suppose you are Russian as I've heard "You cannot throw a word out of a song" in a Russian movie
The problem with TBAT is that we knew what was going to happen: 58 pages of predictable stuff. Maybe Sleepy wanted to give Trixie some depth or something, but it got boring because it showed more blah, blah, blah than action. The first few pages were good. He should have continued in that direction with the orgy, etc. And if he wanted to take Trixie's flash drive, he should have hypnotized her or something like Miss Parker with subliminal messages. I hope with FV 9, as the name suggests, he'll show us what happened that night. Like you, I never cared if it was dark or not; after all, it is fiction and it is for adults. Besides, that gave it its touch, its identity, its essence. If it abandons that, it practically has to start from scratch. What Sleepy has to learn is not to rush into making new stories, to think about them, to rethink them, and not to lose that touch between what could be called "dark" and "good", that is on the edge or slightly crosses the line, but it's too late, what's done is done, and now we're playing Dungeons and Dragons.
 

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I didn't even know that such a niche work was known outside of Russia...
but the soundtracks from these films are considered iconic in Russia.
Some songs music groups were even written specifically for these films.
While Andrei Tarkovsky's films are definitely well known outside of Russia, as a moviegoer Balabanov is someone you do hear from time to time. And since I've heard that Brat 1 and 2 were cult classics in Russia I had to watch them.
I know this is not the place but would you be able to tell me why it was such a success in Russia. Was it because people could identify with Danila ? Did the tragedy surrounding Bodrov Jr had an impact in it ?
 

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The fantasy stuff is predictable from miles away, probably with cliché things like tentacles, a demon queen who enslaves women, and Evie in embarrassing situations or taking advantage of her companions by giving them potions, blah blah, etc.
 

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The problem with TBAT is that we knew what was going to happen: 58 pages of predictable stuff. Maybe Sleepy wanted to give Trixie some depth or something, but it got boring because it showed more blah, blah, blah than action. The first few pages were good. He should have continued in that direction with the orgy, etc. And if he wanted to take Trixie's flash drive, he should have hypnotized her or something like Miss Parker with subliminal messages. I hope with FV 9, as the name suggests, he'll show us what happened that night. Like you, I never cared if it was dark or not; after all, it is fiction and it is for adults. Besides, that gave it its touch, its identity, its essence. If it abandons that, it practically has to start from scratch. What Sleepy has to learn is not to rush into making new stories, to think about them, to rethink them, and not to lose that touch between what could be called "dark" and "good", that is on the edge or slightly crosses the line, but it's too late, what's done is done, and now we're playing Dungeons and Dragons.
I think him splitting TBAT and TRAT was a mistake. Trixie should have been broken 15 pages in and the rest should have been her being trained by Evie and Vi, just make the comics 20 pages longer than usual as a send off to Trixie and that was it.

The fantasy stuff is predictable from miles away, probably with cliché things like tentacles, a demon queen who enslaves women, and Evie in embarrassing situations or taking advantage of her companions by giving them potions, blah blah, etc.
I can clearly see Evie joining a party where her companions are Nancy and Trixie (maybe Freddy but I hope not). I don't mind it being cliché but for the love of god it has to be sexy and not boring.
 
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I don't agree!
TBAT was almost perfect.
It had pace, it had juicy flashbacks (retrospections). There were funny references to older works - Evelyn in student uniform was hot as...
Even the malicious way of breaking Trixie, just for fun.
I don't know if it's the best one but I reeeeeally like it.
Nonetheless
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I like the new comic.

I was about to say that calling it good might be speaking too soon but let’s be honest, it is speaking too soon. Nine pages, including the chapter cover, for God’s sake. It’s like judging a film by the opening credits. Still, what’s there looks promising. It gives off a good smell.

Take, for example, the quality and style of his artwork. It’s top-notch. But what’s really interesting is the improvement over the pre-hiatus material. Compare it to something from further back — say 'Roofie Colada' — and the difference is pretty startling.

As for the story, well, that’s trickier. There just isn’t enough of it yet to hang an opinion on. Still, I’ll say this much: if, like me, you lean more toward SG’s playful, mischievous streak, rather than the grim cruelty of his darker stuff, then I think you’ll find this new story something to be pleased about.

It was a relief to see Evie again, personality and sharp edges intact, transported straight out of one universe and into another. My guess is we’ll see more of that — SG playing god with his old toys in a new sandbox.

If I had my way, I’d have told SG to finish the Thief series before diving into something new. It might’ve been better to launch this new phase with a handful of shorts — three or four pages apiece, something like ‘Halloween Party’ — just Evie doing her wicked little thing to the unsuspecting damsels of this new world with not much plot to trip over. Then again, I can imagine a few good reasons why he didn’t go that route.
 

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I don't agree!
TBAT was almost perfect.
It had pace, it had juicy flashbacks (retrospections). There were funny references to older works - Evelyn in student uniform was hot as...
Even the malicious way of breaking Trixie, just for fun.
I don't know if it's the best one but I reeeeeally like it.
Nonetheless
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Free Trixie
Cheers
Keep in mind that the series was a tremendous amount of work and took a long time. I agree with you that it's a fun series as something that we can peruse all at once, but Sleepy was focusing on it to the exclusion of other things and perhaps/apparently at the expense of his interest in doing this kind of work. I think that is because it was mostly focused on negative things.

As a comparison, Sleepy's Through the Looking Glass was 56 pages and changed settings every 10ish pages. The vibe was quirky and sexy, while still having some darkness with the Dormouse situation. I think that what people want is a good mix and maybe even a sense that the author is having fun.

My concern is that Sleepy is going to overcorrect in the quirky direction, based on what he said upon returning. We shall see.

As an aside, I'd love to see a sequel to Looking Glass where they slowly corrupt Nancy in a more permanent way by using the mind tricks shown. Her encounters would alter her sexuality permanently and she'd start to work as a scout / recruiter / enthusiastic bed slut. Seeing that process transpire would have been amazing. My favorite sequence of any Sleepy comic is the part where Dormouse is tied to the table and Nancy is tempted into enjoying licking the spread ass by her seductresses in a matter of fact "Well of course you'd enjoy doing that, sweetie. Anybody would!" way.
 
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I don't agree!
TBAT was almost perfect.
It had pace, it had juicy flashbacks (retrospections). There were funny references to older works - Evelyn in student uniform was hot as...
Even the malicious way of breaking Trixie, just for fun.
I don't know if it's the best one but I reeeeeally like it.
Nonetheless
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Free Trixie
Cheers
That's right, the first half was good, the second half was overly long.
Delete half of the images from where and you won't lose anything...
As well as an absolutely calculated plot, which we guessed step by step here long before the end of Break a Thief.
It's not like porn comics have to be complicated... But still, he kept the tension of mystery pretty well in Family Values...
For example, the appearance of (Igor) Leopold was unexpected.
 

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In general, I propose to discuss the next part of the "Thief".
What methods will be used to break Trixie?
In what role will Trixie remain in history?
One of the forum users once gave a good summary of all Sleepy's answers regarding the future development of the universe: (I guess it's not relevant anymore)
https://f95zone.to/threads/sleepygimp-collection-2025-10-13-sleepy-gimp-sleepy.13987/post-14026042

It says that Trixie will remain as Evelyn's slave.
Within the framework of the previous concept of the universe, I believe this was its final fate, but since Sleepy now wants to move away from gloom,
I think something might change...
On the last pages of the thief, I liked that Trixie was haggling with the "Bitch Tandem", I offer myself as a supplier of naive schoolgirls for their games! This correlates well with our theories from Trixie and her subsequent fate that she could become a part of the tea club.

But I'm wondering: how can the gaps between Trixie's training be filled in part 3 of the thief?
The confrontation with Carmilla?
The search for Leopold?
By the way, it seems to me that Leopold may be behind Carmilla's disappearance...
Maybe Freddie will show you something unexpected? Well, that's unlikely. They've got his brains all wrapped up right now...

P.S. You know, to some extent I was even impressed by the gloominess, for the reason that it was logical.
That is, this whole slave market, the auctions held there, gave meaning to what the Bitch Tandem was doing, take it away and a lot of things in history become meaningless...
Without all this, the Bitch Tandem's actions simply turn into boring and extreme stages of sybaritism and hedonism...
But as it was, it all made sense, a purpose.
I kept hoping that someday the "country girl" would shoot like a "Chekhov's gun"!
Many on the forum asked: and who would resist the Bitch Tandem if Sleepy removed all the characters and could somehow fight back against them...
I was hoping for a "country girl" of a person who for more than 11 months has not broken down morally, psychologically, has military training...
It seemed to me that in the previous iteration of the universe She could have been the catalyst for the destruction of the Bitch Tandem, sending Violet to prison and Evelyn to a monastery.
 
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In general, I propose to discuss the next part of the "Thief".
What methods will be used to break Trixie?
In what role will Trixie remain in history?
One of the forum users once gave a good summary of all Sleepy's answers regarding the future development of the universe: (I guess it's not relevant anymore)
https://f95zone.to/threads/sleepygimp-collection-2025-10-13-sleepy-gimp-sleepy.13987/post-14026042
I just read that post and we can see that most of it became true.
As for Evie's fate, Sleepy always said that every characters that did bad things will get punished one way or another (so everyone except for Nancy).

Now regarding Trixie, as I just said regarding characters that did bad things and the post you quoted, Sleepy did say that Trixie would become Evie's slave.
Now will that change ? I don't think so. Sleepy did state that TRAT will be as originally intended.

What methods to reform Trixie ? Well we did see CC and the brainwashing program being used already and we know that Trixie is receptive to it (Subliminal Message).
From what I remember Sleepy saying : both Evie and Vi will train Trixie, Foot fetish action, edging and contionning.
If I have to guess I think that Evie will be some sort of Mommy dom that comfort Trixie while Vi will be more violent. Also there will be something regarding Evie's tits as we know Trixie is quite jealous and fond of them.
 
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I just read that post and we can see that most of it became true.
As for Evie's fate, Sleepy always said that every characters that did bad things will get punished one way or another (so everyone except for Nancy).

Now regarding Trixie, as I just said regarding characters that did bad things and the post you quoted, Sleepy did say that Trixie would become Evie's slave.
Now will that change ? I don't think so. Sleepy did state that TRAT will be as originally intended.

What methods to reform Trixie ? Well we did see CC and the brainwashing program being used already and we know that Trixie is receptive to it (Subliminal Message).
From what I remember Sleepy saying : both Evie and Vi will train Trixie, Foot fetish action, edging and contionning.
If I have to guess I think that Evie will be some sort of Mommy dom that comfort Trixie while Vi will be more violent. Also there will be something regarding Evie's tits as we know Trixie is quite jealous and fond of them.
Hello!
VR set used as main tool has its potential but is predicatble and... boring. No one is able to resist so... I hope it won't be used permanently.
About good domme bad domme scenario. It is possible but maybe there will be some surprise? Carmilla appears and enslaves Violet while Evelyn is able to convince her "favourite auntie" she has been under bad influence and it wasn't her fault. Then Trixie became auntie's toy. BTW it's would be lovely to see Violet at realy hopeless situation.
I am not good at predictions so I don't believe but it's good to have a hope.
Trixie seems to be too independent to be a real player there. Sarah is reduced to gimp so Trixie has no chances too.
Maybe there will be some kind of situation which allow author to change his mind...
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PS. The Alice in wonderland story was really cool, and Carmilla shown a real hate (?!) towards Vi, so there is still hope.
 

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PS. The Alice in wonderland story was really cool, and Carmilla shown a real hate (?!) towards Vi, so there is still hope.
There was no hatred there, rather the alpha female did not allow another female to be self-willed in her territory...
let's just say she bared her teeth a little.
By the way, if you take this moment:
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"I JUST' LOVE HAVING LE FEYS UP MA CRACK!"
It is clear that Violet is deeply annoyed by this situation, probably she is infuriated by the attitude of the older generation of La Fay towards herself...
 
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There is some information related to Sleepy's answers about his future work:

According to Sleepy, part 3 of The Thief has already been written.
In what form is still unknown.
In the scenario plan, or did you even manage to draw it?

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He really decided to focus on Family Values, and part 3 of "The Thief" won't be released until "Family Values" is completed...
Does this mean that he intends to break the general storyline between these two stories?
Or will he simply no longer strive to develop the plot in parallel?

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It seems yes, after the Family Values and the Thief, he really intends to end this universe. It's even kind of sad...
and it's like the global story about Nancy will be over.
And at least the "village girl" should show herself in the last part of the Thief.
At the end of the 3rd part of the thief, Trixie's story will end on a positive note.
Somewhere happy 1 Kacap
If the old characters will appear in further works, then in new roles.


***​
It looks like "Isekai" is not a one shot...
he intends to draw at least 4 chapters...
and Evelyn will be the main character throughout this saga.
Again, I don't know how to feel about this yet.
I haven't even seen the first pages yet. If I don't like the story, it will be a very sad part of his work for me.

***​
It looks like he intends to return to foot fetish... And severely limit other types of fetishes, especially violent ones.
And I'm not a fan of foot fetish at all.
Just the same, the current form of his work more than suits me!
If he's going to go back to foot fetish, then things can become more uniform...
 
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Thank you for an information.
About... positive final for Trixie.
Sleepy's sense of humour makes me afraid.
If she will be a french maid at Carmilla house then it will be definitely better than become faceless gimp in Evelyn's dungeon on a sex toy at jail. But I don't know if it is good or just better ;)
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PS. If I will have to wait another year till the end of Thief trylogy I will ... go insane!
 

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It was already known that after FV and RT, it was all over. It's just that he's over-confirming it, because if there were any doubts or hopes left. Surely there are people waiting for these episodes (like me) and then they'll leave. Not the majority, but a considerable portion of subscribers. Then there are the staunch loyalists who stay. Sleepy even draws the Bayardigans.
Sleepy won't release the episodes quickly. Maybe a year later, the "dark" universe will just end, giving subscribers time to adapt to the new approach and the fantasy stories that could be good in the future. Who knows? Maybe it's Sleepy's phase, and after doing his fantasy stories, he'll return to the old universe like a reboot or something like DC or Marvel always does.
 

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Also they are overlooking sleepy’s age, according to what I know the oldest sleepy drawing is from 2006 so if you assume that at that time he was a teenager (17 or 18 more or less) now he would be around his 30s or 40s and the energy when you are older is obviously not the same as when you were younger, you can no longer reveal yourself or draw as many hours as before and years ago a single page took between 12 or 15 hours to finish, now with artificial intelligence and advanced systems the process is considerably shortened but it still takes hours more if it is drawn by hand. Maybe he changed his approach because he can no longer keep up the pace or have the energy or time. Also Sleepy is not eternal, I give him 3 to 5 years to have saved enough and then retire.
 
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