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Geigi

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lol your posts got removed because you reported me to the mods and they removed our conversation, my posts and yours.

btw, since you reported me, i reported you for evading a ban. we will see if they let you stay, bob.
So, that's why my quoted posts were deleted.
 
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I'm pretty sure the women in WW2 got raped by everyone, Bob. There were no good guys on that front.

Specifically. They raped the women as young as 9 and as old as 60. Because the majority of women left in the city were still at home. All throughout history

I am talking to an autistic child. Read your name. It's also like how you have composed conjecture instead of discerning, connecting the points I made. You're so keen to argue nonsense. As you and many others have made dumb modern statements. Because it gets muddled up in that toilet, head of yours. Autism. You think today is then. It wasn't. It isn't. At all.
 
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No. Again your perspective is that of staring at your own asshole in a mirror.

My posts get removed while yours the epitome of an autist remain.
Erm, you ok there buddy?, maybe check who insulted you before popping off

Vikings did what?
Viking did raids. Once settled they were no longer vikings, and yes, they then had camp followers for any meaningful battles.

The siege of Baghdad what happened?
Well the Bhagdad women were inside the walls, and
"Just to provide an example, historian Stephen Turnbull mentioned (in The Mongol Warrior 1200 – 1350) how a tumen of 10,000 actual soldiers was accompanied by possibly 30,000 non-combatants"

Like the Native Indians
Were nomadic and stayed near their women as plains warfare was alot of raiding. Check the Battle of bighorn, Custers charge was trying to reach the women to hold them hostage over the army.

How about Troy?
This predominantly myth so wont go into

Aztecs. Even ancient Egyptians like Nefertiti and Cleopatra. Blacks. Indians. Japanese. Chinese. Name it.
Camp followers follow an army around. A spouse could rarely afford to be away for an extended period from their partner so would often join these camps.

If you are a lord yes, your wife can stay at home and may even be regent in your absence. But if you are the wife of a poor subsistence farmer who is no longer going to be bringing in a crop for your family? Staying at home would be starvation. So you join the camp followers and live off the soldiers pay (if possible) if not try get money doing odd jobs for the army like washing etc.

And finally, in a siege, most the civilians were frequently thrown out to enable provisions to last. Anyone inside the walls was then expected to help, including women. Not everyone in battle swings a sword, you have logistics, fire fighting, watch, rat catching, cooking, cleaning. The city still has to function. Everything you dont want your soldiers doing to enable them to concentrate.
 
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Specifically. They raped the women as young as 9 and as old as 60. Because the majority of women left in the city were still at home. All throughout history

I am talking to an autistic child. Read your name. It's also like how you have composed conjecture instead of discerning, connecting the points I made. You're so keen to argue nonsense. As you and many others have made dumb modern statements. Because it gets muddled up in that toilet, head of yours. Autism. You think today is then. It wasn't. It isn't. At all.
You do realize your response has nothing to do with my response? You responded to what you wanted me to say when you dropped your comment. I find that interesting, Bob.
 

Geigi

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I agree with that identification too:



I think he's more in the line of Tate. He acts more like a wannabe guru, not much of the typical impotent incel rage and agrieved lashing out.
Like I said, Tate too thinks women are a property. What's interesting though is that men who think like him, love getting pegged by their Mistress's in secret.
 

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What do you mean when you say netorare? I can't even tell if your evidence is relevant to what I consider netorare. VNDB's definition is close to what I mean.
I'm going to largely ignore most of your post because I'm not sure whether it's addressing me or others, sorry (and I haven't looked through the other two pages of replies that have popped up since so I may edit this in a minute).

My definition of netorare is, in it's most basic form "someone 'steals' a love interest from the main character" - however there's nuance because you can have netorare where the stealing is sort of consensual, or at least where the main character enjoys it - this doesn't mean it becomes netorase in my mind because the distinction is the sharing aspect. If the main character is denied sexual agency (even if it's by their own choice) by someone else towards a character that they are romantically/sexually interested in then it becomes netorare in my mind (I think, there might be some outliers somewhere).

I agree largely with point 1 and 2 of VNDB's description, and especially point 3 (which sometimes gets argued about on these forums), but not exactly point 4.

4. The act of stealing must happen while the protagonist is in a relationship with the stolen significant other. Scenes of heroine's past relationships do not count as Netorare.
The only distinction I would make here is that 'relationship' is too rigid of a descriptor when it can involve just strong feeling towards the character being 'stolen' not that the main character and the character being 'stolen' are in an implicit relationship.
 

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Erm, you ok there buddy?, maybe check who insulted you before popping off


Viking did raids. Once settled they were no longer vikings, and yes, they then had camp followers for any meaningful battles.


Well the Bhagdad women were inside the walls, and
"Just to provide an example, historian Stephen Turnbull mentioned (in The Mongol Warrior 1200 – 1350) how a tumen of 10,000 actual soldiers was accompanied by possibly 30,000 non-combatants"


Were nomadic and stayed near their women as plains warfare was alot of raiding. Check the Battle of bighorn, Custers charge was trying to reach the women to hold them hostage over the army.


This predominantly myth so wont go into


Camp followers follow an army around. A spouse could rarely afford to be away for an extended period from their partner so would often join these camps.

If you are a lord yes, your wife can stay at home and may even be regent in your absence. But if you are the wife of a poor subsistence farmer who is no longer going to be bringing in a crop for your family? Staying at home would be starvation. So you join the camp followers and live off the soldiers pay (if possible) if not try get money doing odd jobs for the army like washing etc.
The siege of Baghdad was the single most brutal slaughter in all of history by the Mongols that spared nobody. 2 million killed after surrender. Instead of this. You went and used Google? You never learned and then went what were the fighters and numbers. Instead of using Google and finding every single thing got killed. 2 million, possibly more or less, but the single biggest recorded slaughter in all of history, and the majority like every other conflict had been? Because the men manned the battlements and met the army on the field. Like Troy. Etc etc.

You have been insulting. Every time I read his post. You said that. No. Every single time you have posted it has been nonsense
 
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Specifically. They raped the women as young as 9 and as old as 60. Because the majority of women left in the city were still at home. All throughout history

I am talking to an autistic child. Read your name. It's also like how you have composed conjecture instead of discerning, connecting the points I made. You're so keen to argue nonsense. As you and many others have made dumb modern statements. Because it gets muddled up in that toilet, head of yours. Autism. You think today is then. It wasn't. It isn't. At all.
The majority of men are also generally still at home - young men are sent to fight wars. there have been very few exceptions to this.
 
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The siege of Baghdad was the single most brutal slaughter in all of history by the Mongols that spared nobody. 2 million killed after surrender. Instead of this. You went and used Google? You never learned and then went what were the fighters and numbers. Instead of using Google and finding every single thing got killed. 2 million, possibly more or less, but the single biggest recorded slaughter in all of history, and the majority like every other conflict had been? Because the men manned the battlements and met the army on the field. Like Troy. Etc etc.

You have been insulting. Every time I read his post. You said that. No. Every single time you have posted it has been nonsense
I was saying the Mongolian women went along with the men to the siege. Every 10,000 warriors had 30,000+ followers. The women inside the city were slaughtered, hardly 'safe'.

I also gave you other examples for what you listed - when an average solder went off to war (the majority of the army), his spouse usually had to go with him in order to survive.

You disagreed with this, I explained why. Then you have mock outrage over something that happened in the 1200's like I lack compassion for talking about historical aspects historically?
 

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I was saying the Mongolian women went along with the men to the siege. Every 10,000 warriors had 30,000+ followers. The women inside the city were slaughtered, hardly 'safe'.
No they didn't. Now it's Mongolian women were camp followers? No. The refugee train of women and children enslaved or turned whore or simply trying to survive the aftermath. Mongols raped big time. Big time. How many wives did Genghis have and what colours? It's documented. Not a stupid statement

Mongols had settlements and even cities. Where were the women amusingly