So, why the hate on NTR?

[peterppp]

Me - 'Netorare' probably gets hate because its unclear and people walk blindly into it
You - but we use OTHER Japanese words!!!!!!!

not at all what happened.

you said this

if every other kink is in English why is one using the Japanese word.

i then responded with a simple observation/correction:

not the only tag using japanese:
futa, loli, shota, ahegao, bukkake

then instead of just admitting you said it wrong, you admit there are more japanese words but without admitting you were wrong to say there werent.

1 of those terms isn't Japanese, the other 4 have no english equivalent.

you made this a prolonged argument, not me. next time, just admit you were wrong. okibye

 

[suprisedcrankyface]

Life is risk and it takes effort. If everyone found the perfect person on the first try the world would be simpler but way more boring.

Not arguing with that, just this

most guys who complain that they've been cheated on happen to have never really cared about their girl in the first place.

Its usually way more complicated

 

[suprisedcrankyface]

not at all what happened.

you said this

i then responded with a simple observation/correction:

then instead of just admitting you said it wrong, you admit there are more japanese words but without admitting you were wrong to say there werent.

you made this a prolonged argument, not me. next time, just admit you were wrong. okibye

OK peanut - let me put it in terms even you can grasp.

The japanese term Loli describes the lolita complex, not the character.

Lolita comes from the name of the character being used to coin the term 'lolita complex' - it was no longer a description of the character, or the book. Alzheimer was a Dr but you are not diagnosed as being Dr Alzeimer, are you.

To dumb it down even further for you, to paint licking levels of moron-

1) The word Entrepreneur is used in English but is considered a 'french word'. It carries the same meaning in both. I will pause while you process this obvious fact.

Now

2) Tell me the difference between that word, and the Spanish word for 'black'.

i didnt ignore your argument. i saw it and discarded it.

This is why you are so obviously ignorant, you start from the position you are right and try force the world to fit your pre-formed ideas, ignoring anything to the contrary. You will never learn or grow because you are starting from the postion that you already know everything.

Now post your meme, climb in your clown car, and get out of here.

 

[anne O'nymous]

Its usually way more complicated

Yes and no.

If someone, girl or guy, cheat, there's a reason behind this. And this reason is either that (s)he never loved you, or that she don't feel loved.
Of course, you can't force someone to love you, but love will never spark if you don't care about the other. And it happen that not a single one relationship starts out of love. What came first is a (more or less strong/deep) friendship and a desire to explore where it can lead you. Therefore, even if it's not necessarily your fault if you aren't loved by your partner, you can still own a part of responsibility if you did nothing to be loved.

Someone once said that love isn't a 50/50 division, but at 60/40 one, with each partner trying to be the one who do the 60. And it's relatively correct. There's of course ups and downs, but you love him/her and do what you can for him/her to be happy.
What to do and how to do it depend on your and him/her, everyone being unique. But love isn't something eternal. It's like a fire, lighting it is just the starts, you've to keep it burning days after days. And like there's time when you'll not want to do it, or not have the energy to do it, three's also times when you'll have to do more efforts to make it blaze again. Something that, obviously, applies to both, not just for you.
And if you're doing it right, (s)he'll not cheat on you. Not because (s)he'll necessarily love you, but because you'll notice it if (s)he don't, and break up before (s)he starts doing it.

 

[suprisedcrankyface]

Yes and no.

If someone, girl or guy, cheat, there's a reason behind this. And this reason is either that (s)he never loved you, or that she don't feel loved.

People can fall out of love, it happens a lot. Some people work to rekindle, others leave, others are content being best friends. But there is a significant group where instead of being honest, communication has broken down. Through fear, circumstance or a myriad of other reasons one party will start trying to make the other person leave them, rather than just leave themselves. And sometimes, that person loves them so much they put up with the neglect, the abuse & whatever else has been slowly ramping up over time to try make them want to leave. And ultimately when it fails, the party cheats to force a finality to the matter.

Its a pattern repeated far to often to be considered 'rare'.

 

[peterppp]

OK peanut - let me put it in terms even you can grasp.

The japanese term Loli describes the lolita complex, not the character.
blah blah

wow, some severe lack of comprehension here. i was not talking about loli. cant you follow a simple chain of conversation?

again, you said this:

if every other kink is in English why is one using the Japanese word.

then, you acknowledged 4 others were japanese:

1 of those terms isn't Japanese, the other 4 have no english equivalent.

your second quote means your first quote is wrong. every other kink is NOT in english. QED (that's latin)

 

[anne O'nymous]

People can fall out of love, it happens a lot.

It happen, yes. Despite all the efforts from both side, sometimes you're just not meant to be together. But if they loved at some time, they'll not cheat, they'll just break up.
By the way, people should stop to fear "I need a break". It doesn't necessarily mean that (s)he want to be with someone else, just to be somewhere else in order to question his/her feelings. And it doesn't imply that (s)he'll break up, you need to be deprived of something to understand how much you miss it, or not.
It's so easy to be annoyed by one's small habits, let it grow and end wanting to kill him/her. But doing so, you not necessarily fall out of love, you can just have forgot that you love. Being apart for few weeks, it's those small annoyance that you'll forget, rediscovering how much you love him/her through that void you feel in your heart.

Through fear, circumstance or a myriad of other reasons one party will start trying to make the other person leave them, rather than just leave themselves.

It's not a question of fear, it's a question of selfishness. If you loved him/her, you need to have come to hate him/her to want to act that way. This simply because the person you disrespect the most in such situation is not the other, it's yourself.
Note that this, as well as everything I said previously, is intended outside of abusive relationships. Here, yes, the victim will possibly cheat in order to looks unworthy to the eyes of his/her abuser. But it's a specific case since it was a one way love right from the starts.

Its a pattern repeated far to often to be considered 'rare'.

Is it really repeated this often?

And it's a legit question, because we always hear when a breakup is due to a drama, rarely when it isn't. Your co-worker or neighbour will tell you if (s)he cheated, but you'll discover one day that (s)he divorced three years ago, when (s)he'll tell you that (s)he'll remarry. And if (s)he don't talk about his/her second marriage, you can perfectly never know that the wife/husband (s)he talk about isn't the same that the one (s)he talked about years ago.

 

[suprisedcrankyface]

wow, some severe lack of comprehension here. i was not talking about loli. cant you follow a simple chain of conversation?

not the only tag using japanese:
futa, loli, shota, ahegao, bukkake

Your first attempted derail was that loli is 'well aktchually' a japanese term. I wont quote it all again because its clearly in the convo chain. Now that that has been addressed.

then, you acknowledged 4 others were japanese:

They are words that have been adopted into use because they have no equivalent, like the word sushi. We do not use Shoyu for soy sauce. I addressed this previously but have repeated it (again) because you cant seem to understand the concept.

your second quote means your first quote is wrong. every other kink is NOT in english. QED (that's latin)

'sushi is nice with soy sauce' is a complete english sentence.
vs
'you are full of merde' is not a complete english sentence.

 

[Icarus Media]

 

[Jbuster]

Been curious about this. There are a lot of extreme kinks that people will tolerate, some real depraved stuff, lets be real with ourselves, unconsciously degenerate.

Yet A LOT of people seem to draw the line at NTR. I can definitely understand having preferences, I myself avoid overtly l*li and sh*ta contnet, (honestly don't know how games with those tags get uploaded given site rules, but there another story entirely) and I can't say I'm a fan of NTR, but NTR seems to be the tag/kink I see the most revulsion for. Pregnant Gang-Rape Guro? Nary a peep. That game has one single NTR scene? Absolutely seeing people prickle at it in the thread.

I can't say I really understand the hate for that one particular trope. I totally understand avoiding a game that's primarily NTR, but it doesn't seem uncommon that someone will pass on the entire game is there is minor, but unskipable, NTR content.

What's up with that?

NTR bypass directly to the soft underbelly of the player in a way that other more extreme, and even questionable kinks, won't

It's simply more relatable than the others, think about it. Guro is niche stuff most people just avoid, rape is almost never explored with the full consequences of a realist scenario, and you could say the same about loli and shota. Most stuff like that is correctly expressed as fantasy because it does belong to a fictional setting and are easily dismissed without fanfare. With NTR, even with the same treatment there's a underlying message and ideas, (abandonment, losing a loving one, inadequacy, betrayal, etc), that some players just won't entertain, ever

NTR is the one thing that grind their gears

So there you have it, an umbrella term for a number of kinks that hit too close home in a way others can't, that also happens to be popular and does possess a loyal fanbase who's very into it, colliding with the exact opposite, every day and in every occasion. It's the kind of stuff you have to learn to accept while browsing for whatever you're into

 

[suprisedcrankyface]

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Why did you tell her, you promised if we spooned you would keep it secret

 

[suprisedcrankyface]

Is it really repeated this often?

Variants of - there is a thousand things that can break relationships - in my example the person who is being abusive can sometimes be the one that cheats.

Love and attachment are way more complex that can be easily described, but bad breakups are often bad because there is still emotional attachment, just being overshadowed by resentment. So its easier for some to try make the other person 'leave' so that their own conscious is clear.

And it's a legit question, because we always hear when a breakup is due to a drama, rarely when it isn't. Your co-worker or neighbour will tell you if (s)he cheated, but you'll discover one day that (s)he divorced three years ago, when (s)he'll tell you that (s)he'll remarry. And if (s)he don't talk about his/her second marriage, you can perfectly never know that the wife/husband (s)he talk about isn't the same that the one (s)he talked about years ago.

Depends on the person. Why relationships are complex as all hell, every person is different. I will say that its rare for a guilty party to tell people what they did wrong and go with some softer like 'we grew apart' meanwhile their partner is 'I found them with a stranger in the family bed'. but sometimes is is just 'we grew apart'.

 

[peterppp]

We use the word sushi for sushi, but not shouyu for soy sauce.

This has already been addressed, you are repeating yourself in ever smaller circles. If your lack of understanding is not my problem.

you're cherry picking when words are japanese or english. any foreign word used long enough and much enough will be seen as part of that language, a loanword. you're saying all those 5 words (futa/futanari, loli, shota, ahegao, bukkake) are not just japanese but also english words. where's your proof? the english dictionaries don't say all those words are english. a search of three big dictionaries only gave me 1 hit.

bukkake gets 1 hit:
yes:

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"a sexual practice that involves a group of men ejaculating on one person, usually a woman."

nope:

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"eh...that's a no":

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"A Japanese dish of noodles served with broth…"

none of the other 4 words (futa/futanari, loli, shota, ahegao) are listed in any of the three dictionaries. sushi is listed in all of them. and guess what: lolita is too! with the same meaning as loli in japanese. i cant actually see the full definition on oed, so might be wrong on that one, but 2 of 3 anyway

so you are wrong

Your first attempted derail was that loli is 'well aktchually' a japanese term. I wont quote it all again because its clearly in the convo chain.

lol, I was derailing? you were. you picked up that thread which was a sidenote. but you're wrong on that one also. you even argue against yourself without realizing it. see my further comment below

The japanese term Loli describes the lolita complex, not the character.

Lolita comes from the name of the character being used to coin the term 'lolita complex' - it was no longer a description of the character, or the book.

and the japanese picked up lolita complex and made it into lolicon. a japanse word. from there came loli. so loli does not come directly from lolita. it's a linguistic evolution. it just so happens that the end word, loli, looks very similar to the original word lolita. you are fooled by this similarity into thinking loli is an english word when it is coming from a japanese evolution of the word lolita. as i said above, lolita is an english word meaning the same as loli.

there is no equivalent word.

yes there is. lolita is an equivalent word to loli. yet this site uses loli. a japanese word.

you simply dont understand how languages evolve

 

[MWPA78]

Fixed that to what you really mean.

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[suprisedcrankyface]

Ahhh, there's the shitty meme, probably gone now but will dismantle the joke of a word salad response

So to be clear you are arguing that an abbreviation of the japanese term derived from English is the only abbreviation, and the english word its derived from has never, ever been abbreviated to anything

you simply dont understand how languages evolve

*Proceeds to google dictionaries to support an argument about a lack of alternate words*

OK einstein, give me the english word equivalent to bukake and the rest... oh wait, there are none. Tell me why is there a vore tag but not a guro tag?

Cuckold is far clearer to an English reader than 'netorare'. Which was the point I was making, there are going to be people unaware what netorare means who would avoid cuckold content but instead learn the words meaning the hard way mid game.

 

[Asia Argento]

Because we walked in on our mom and dad growing up... The scars we carry last for a lifetime.

 

[MWPA78]

It need two to be a couple, and when there's a problem with the vast majority of girls, the said problem come from you, not from them.




It's not different from everything else, if the man is of good behaviour, most of the time his woman will be too.
In the same way than most devs kicked out of Patreon happen to be making an incest game where there's dogs raping underage girls, most guys who complain that they've been cheated on happen to have never really cared about their girl in the first place.




Talk for you. There's hundred of millions couples who are sexually satisfied in their couple. But for the sex to be good, it don't just need to be a great lover. It's not something that limits to the moment you fuck, it's something that your starts building way before. Sex is a complicity, and if this complicity do not exist outside of the bedroom, you'll get nothing interesting once under the sheets.




The person you love and that you love back is worthy of worship. But, I don't expect you to understand since, once again, your phrasing explicitly point to your total incapacity to see a woman as something else than a sex toy.

Still twisting peoples words, I see.

 

[MissCougar]

Diving In again to dip my toesies into the ant hill of pain.

Looks like you are mostly getting along!

I think it's great and I also think a successful relationship has to have both parties able to try to give more than the other and not just take, be able to vocalize if something is missing or upsets them, and be able to accept that if you fight nobody really wins you both lose and it strains everything. Get good at losing and not holding a grudge about it. Get over stuff quickly.

And of course even with all this sometimes people are just assholes and do stupid things because I think some people are just wired to hate a good thing. They have to destroy it, and the grass is always greener on the other side.

 

[suprisedcrankyface]

Because we walked in on our mom and dad growing up... The scars we carry last for a lifetime.

Wait... dont you need to be romantically involved with someone for it to be NTR

 

[Asia Argento]

Wait... dont you need to be romantically involved with someone for it to be NTR

Hitomi's Sick Pleasure says no...