VN Ren'Py Sofia's Dark Fantasies [Ep.2 Ch.1 v2.01] [Greuceanu Heavy Industries]

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How many of you played the game and appreciate the render quality?

  • Played and wasn't impressed by the renders

    Votes: 96 10.1%
  • Played and seen potential in the AI Polish

    Votes: 292 30.8%
  • Played and Loved the AI polish

    Votes: 244 25.7%
  • Didn't play it because it's AI crap

    Votes: 205 21.6%
  • Didn't play at all?

    Votes: 111 11.7%

  • Total voters
    948
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Greuceanu

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I haven't played your game yet but you guys seem to be so good at editing, especially the trailers (y)
thanks and wait for the new update, we have done a lot of iteration to get to the images in that video:) no amount of after effects will help if you images suck:))
 
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What's the poll? It's not up on SS
you are the only person on my SS, i will ping you on discord, I asked to see if folks wanna play the Blender only game, no ai polish:) it seems 30% want to play the Blender only and 70% want the AI version :)
 
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The truth is. I was impressed how good the blender render looked (left pic). I hear all the time, Daz this and Daz that but the left pic looks as good as most Daz renders I have seen. I compared both pics with some made by the dev who is considered by many big dev artists to be the best in the industry. The left pic is not quite there yet but the right? Let's just say it is not even close. It would be a shame to turn the left render into something that looks like a bad Photoshop pic from a porn magazine. Maybe the votes have gone that way, so it seems that a bad Photoshop is what people expect now.
 

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The truth is. I was impressed how good the blender render looked (left pic). I hear all the time, Daz this and Daz that but the left pic looks as good as most Daz renders I have seen. I compared both pics with some made by the dev who is considered by many big dev artists to be the best in the industry. The left pic is not quite there yet but the right? Let's just say it is not even close. It would be a shame to turn the left render into something that looks like a bad Photoshop pic from a porn magazine. Maybe the votes have gone that way, so it seems that a bad Photoshop is what people expect now.
so you are saying the left image is better vs the right? not sure what bad Photoshop means here but we use Blender because it's the best tool to do 3D AVN's, not everyone is a fan of the AI polish, I get that but it's there to enhance a render and not compete with it :) personal taste will always dictate aesthertics preferences.

Our goal is take 3D renders and give them a lot more depth and detail, that's what the AI does:)
 

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you are the only person on my SS, i will ping you on discord, I asked to see if folks wanna play the Blender only game, no ai polish:) it seems 30% want to play the Blender only and 70% want the AI version :)
What? That's crazy. You guys need to all migrate over to Subscribestar so Greuceanu doesn't have to worry about being blindsided by Patreon TOS bullshittery.

Also AI render :p
 
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What? That's crazy. You guys need to all migrate over to Subscribestar so Greuceanu doesn't have to worry about being blindsided by Patreon TOS bullshittery.

Also AI render :p
Patreon isn’t that huge either but hopefully with this next release we will have better support
 
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The AI one is clearly better unless you wanna spend time and resources improving the renders natively. If you did that would obviously be better than AI. But no doubt you're using it because cheaper and easier. AI renders have a glossy magazine look that isn't to everyone's taste but fits the story very well imo.

Also I have a question, will there be dramatically different consequences for the two paths in future updates? Or is it about player preference, like choose whether to see something. Anyway, the AI stuff is genuinely unique and innovative. Good luck!
Great points but no matter how much time you invest in hair or clothes...they will always be miles off what AI can do, wait till you see the animations in the new release:)

For the new update we have a lot more choices from choosing between 2 paths to choosing how far you go down that path or how what endings come with that

For our game we wanted to have the rendering and art nailed before we invested more time into the story, we are at that point and partly in this release but from the next release, the story does grow a lot more and a lot more options appear and hopefully we will move to a sandbox in 1-2 releases.
 
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The AI one is clearly better unless you wanna spend time and resources improving the renders natively. If you did that would obviously be better than AI. But no doubt you're using it because cheaper and easier. AI renders have a glossy magazine look that isn't to everyone's taste but fits the story very well imo.

Also I have a question, will there be dramatically different consequences for the two paths in future updates? Or is it about player preference, like choose whether to see something. Anyway, the AI stuff is genuinely unique and innovative. Good luck!
by the way, big fan of the Night Driver game, as well ;) love the aesthetic
 
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The AI one is clearly better unless you wanna spend time and resources improving the renders natively. If you did that would obviously be better than AI. But no doubt you're using it because cheaper and easier. AI renders have a glossy magazine look that isn't to everyone's taste but fits the story very well imo.

Also I have a question, will there be dramatically different consequences for the two paths in future updates? Or is it about player preference, like choose whether to see something. Anyway, the AI stuff is genuinely unique and innovative. Good luck!
So the thing I forgot to mention is that what we do isn't cheaper or easier, it's actually a lot more time consuming. there's no world where AI polished can look worse vs 3D renders...unless you are like Blizzard or some large studio but we choose to do ai polish because the results are stunning, again emphasis on the word POLISH the images aren't created with AI...but the resolution is meticulously increased through multiple iterations.

I know a few other devs that use ai to do something similar but they choose to do a single click, single prompt iteration and that has massive down sides but I tbh most people refuse the play the game because they hear AI is used, pretty sad:)
 
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So you're saying final endings for Sophia will differ based on choices. That's what I wanted to know... speaking of which, I'm guessing one of the endings is her cucking grampy, i.e married but "open". You made that character too stupid and trusting not to have that option! :BootyTime:

Agreed! In terms of writing/dialogue, one of if not the best.

I imagine training the AI is the bulk of the work though? It's very hard to beat AI on "photorealism" but - in my humble and amateur opinion - native 3d can do almost everything else better given the time/resources. And like I said the glossy or "superficial" style of AI works perfectly for this particular story/theme of this game, so that whole debate is academic.

Also I am aware that you're enhancing your own work so don't worry about accusations of plagiarism etc from me at least. What you're doing is the future and will end up as the correct/default function of AI in productivity.
Yes to the first statement

AI training is part of it and my 2x4090 are already veterans :) but this current release with 800+ animations and quite a few animatons took a while to do the ai polish with 2 different ai tools :) again it's a workflow that i want to keep to our team but it's much harder as it's much much better vs generating images or single prompts:)

AI isa already used like this by nvidia:)
 
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