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damn this website has the biggest babies ever lol
Gotta agree, seems incredibly asinine to make a game like this through Unity especially when nothing unique is coming out of it.The idea that Cumtoke thinks he needs the resources of Unity to make a [checks notes] management sim with image slideshows just proves he really, really really shouldn't be using Unity. This was a game perfect for Ren'py or even Twine. Very low resource usage, very simple coding. Persisting in Unity at this point is several years of sunk cost fallacy.
And we're not pirates, we're beta testers that are smart enough to not pay for the privilege. Guntbloke should be thanking us to be honest.
Dost thou even dev, bro? You aren't the only developer around these parts, cowboy. You almost had a point until you're like... "DIALOG BOXES EEVVEERRYYWWHHEERREEEEEE"snip
"active member" cant wait to hear how many years of programming experience you have lad while backing the updates, SU has impecible art but you cant agree that hes worked enough years typin prog that his income equates to anything worth the patron numbers, baffles me what some people can consume but if this is what some of your projects take id understand your income that way buddamn this website has the biggest babies ever lol
yeah i see your point man i really do, however youve got to consider that some of the folk complaining are folk that were removed from the discord that was made to (hopefully) encourage more people to donate and also old patrons that gave up on it. This is one of the only spaces people can vent their upset with the client in this case as the discord doesnt really allow much criticism due to mod removals, though i get that if youre a patron it could annoy you that people on F95zone get a free version of the game, these are the real public opinions. which makes them just as valuable as your clients opinions in business. not having a go at you just saying that there is a rationale for these complaints.Baiscy my whole point, I'm not say if you don't pay you can't have an opinion I'm saying, at the end of the day it's a fan project and its very exsistanc is due to one maybe 2 dudes work, and to complain about something that's a fan project without even having the legs to stand on that you payed money into it is super entitled. Like its the same as an animator puts out a cartoon out of their own time and energy, and put a donation bar saying this would help me pay my bills so I can do things like this without worrying about finachal dept, then suddenly when the cartoon doesn't come out on the time frame of people who never really had any say or useful contribution to it go around talking about how shitty they are for doing art for free.
You lose the right to pretend this is some "amateur fan project" when you are pulling almost 20 THOUSAND DOLLARS PER MONTH.Baiscy my whole point, I'm not say if you don't pay you can't have an opinion I'm saying, at the end of the day it's a fan project and its very exsistanc is due to one maybe 2 dudes work, and to complain about something that's a fan project without even having the legs to stand on that you payed money into it is super entitled. Like its the same as an animator puts out a cartoon out of their own time and energy, and put a donation bar saying this would help me pay my bills so I can do things like this without worrying about finachal dept, then suddenly when the cartoon doesn't come out on the time frame of people who never really had any say or useful contribution to it go around talking about how shitty they are for doing art for free.
I wouldn't have put it so crudely, but I agree. This is a huge letdown and probably the first time a sex scene has not been included (I don't count Audrey because I could've sworn she already had a sex scene in the Cell). So much for finishing every character before the end of the year.What a dogshit update, this is a new low from sunset. I hope they lose a good chunk of patreons because of this, they don't deserve this shit.
So unlike what tons of people are saying, you're not actually wrong here - the game currently is built in a way that requires each scene/costume combination to have its own fully drawn image.A lot of people in this thread don't seem very bright and clearly have trouble in understanding how developing a game like that works let me sprincle some truth your way. The more costumes a character has the more difficult becomes the update. The more unique are the new interactions or the way might change the game. Every consutme means extra work.
I don't know if it is just me, but aren't a lot of scenes starting to look like... recycled? I swear some stuff is starting to look like asset flips from other scenes. I am not on my pc right now so I can't take pics to compare.I wouldn't have put it so crudely, but I agree. This is a huge letdown and probably the first time a sex scene has not been included (I don't count Audrey because I could've sworn she already had a sex scene in the Cell). So much for finishing every character before the end of the year.
I disagree on this point. The patreon model isn't at fault. If this was the problem, they could simply change their patreon to a "pay per update" rather than a "pay per month" format. Assuming they haven't already, of course. I haven't kept up with their patreon for a while.The patreon model is actually hurting them here - they're constantly in a rush to push out more and more content, so they can't justify taking the time to concentrate on backend without visible results. It's not a trivial problem. I think that the team deserves some pretty hefty criticism for getting into this position, but you have to acknoledge that now that we're here, it's not something that can be fixed overnight.
it wouldn't surprise me, but I haven't played in a while as I waiting for this (Disappointing) update.I don't know if it is just me, but aren't a lot of scenes starting to look like... recycled? I swear some stuff is starting to look like asset flips from other scenes. I am not on my pc right now so I can't take pics to compare.
If nobody else noticed, then it is was probably just in my head and I retract this comment.
its basically a grave that sunset dug himself, so while it is true that the system is designed poorly, its also the system that sunset made himself. He can only blame himself for this clusterfuck he created.So unlike what tons of people are saying, you're not actually wrong here - the game currently is built in a way that requires each scene/costume combination to have its own fully drawn image. That means that if Lex has 3 costumes and Miss Martian has 5, that means that they'll draw 15 full versions of each sex scene. This means that each new interaction and costume requires increasing amounts of work.
That being said, the game didn't have to be written this way. They could have figured out different ways to use and reuse assets to make creating new scenes a streamlined process while also cutting down on disk space requirements. However, the team probably didn't identify this as a problem right away - and now, they'd have to rework a truly massive number of content to get it to work. The worst part is that the longer they continue without doing a rehaul, the more work it's going to take. The general term for this is 'tech debt'.
The patreon model is actually hurting them here - they're constantly in a rush to push out more and more content, so they can't justify taking the time to concentrate on backend without visible results. It's not a trivial problem. I think that the team deserves some pretty hefty criticism for getting into this position, but you have to acknoledge that now that we're here, it's not something that can be fixed overnight.
If I were in charge of the team, I'd dedicate some time to figuring out a more sustainable approach to art and start implementing it immediately. I'd make sure all new art uses the scalable system, and slowly rework the backlog of old content over the next year or so while continuing to put out new stuff at a slightly slower rate. (They could be doing this already, idk)
This is just completely false, Lex doesn't wear his costumes in sex scenes and the heroines don't need to be completely redrawn for each of their costumesThat means that if Lex has 3 costumes and Miss Martian has 5, that means that they'll draw 15 full versions of each sex scene.
I very much doubt he redraws THE ENTIRE SCENE for each costume when he can just layer the costume on top of the existing art. He certainly has to draw the costume in each different position but to suggest the entire scene gets "COMPLETELY REDRAWN", as he said, would be a ridiculous waste of time.This is just completely false, Lex doesn't wear his costumes in sex scenes and the heroines don't need to be completely redrawn for each of their costumes